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It’s not a matter of “very rarely”; it’s a matter of “cannot licitly.” Unless the priest has manifest evidence that you’re not repentant (such as a penitent saying, “I’m not repentant”), he cannot refuse absolution.

It’s an “option” in the most unuseful way; “We have free will, therefore this is an option.” No one needs to note that; it’s understood. It’s not a licit option for a Catholic, which is certainly what the original poster was asking for.

Wouldn’t that [seeing the Trinity] be a reward? 🙂

Jeremy
I think the OP is a non-Catholic who is wondering is maybe he can confess sins in his heart or to Christ directly, and thus do without the need for confession.
So instead of giving a “no the Pope has ruled against this” sort of answer, which is true as far as it goes, I’m pointing out some of the implications. It might well not prove an easy option, even granted that most of the Protestant assumptions are correct.

As for reward, in a way maybe. That which does not kill us, makes us stronger, as Nieztche said.
 
Question: Why would the follower have a higher authority than the Master? Why would the priest be more preferred that Christ? Or more to the point, why would confession to a priest be superior to confession to Christ Himself? Is it because the priest would be in a better position or more power and authority to forgive the sin than Christ who gave that power to them in the first place? Does Christ lose that power when he gave it to the follower?

Really just interested to know. I’ve been wondering about this for sometime now. Quoting catechetical teachings doesn’t quite do it for me.
 
If i was to die today and had not confessed a mortal sin to a Catholic priest, however i had confessed to christ and had repented would i go to Hell.
All that can be said is that you certainly risk condemnation. This is precisely why purgatory exists. No uncleanness may exist in God’s presence, so how are you to be cleaned?

Another point: You asked Christ for forgiveness. How do you know you received it? What if you do this every day and ask forgiveness every day, expecting to be forgiven? Isn’t that a great risk? Without the Sacrament of Reconciliation, you have no way of knowing the moment of grace. Having experienced many such moments, all I can say is the weight of the sin being removed from your spirit is an amazing gift.

Keep asking questions!

Christ’s peace be with you.
 
Question: Why would the follower have a higher authority than the Master? Why would the priest be more preferred that Christ? Or more to the point, why would confession to a priest be superior to confession to Christ Himself? Is it because the priest would be in a better position or more power and authority to forgive the sin than Christ who gave that power to them in the first place? Does Christ lose that power when he gave it to the follower?

Really just interested to know. I’ve been wondering about this for sometime now. Quoting catechetical teachings doesn’t quite do it for me.
You’re making a false dichotomy. Confessing to a priest IS confessing to Christ. The servant is in the place of the Master and for the time has His selfsame authority. Jesus said it - ‘as the Father sent me (ie with all authority) so am I sending you’.

He instituted it thus when He gave the Apostles power to forgive sins (and you appear to think he did this for no reason, since according to you there is absolutely no occasion for it to ever be used by them)

He did so for excellent reason - because for our own benefit we need the audible reassurance of forgiveness as well as the solid advice priests often give in the Confessional.

Kind of like a boss (and I’ve spoken to many in my day) who hires a secretary to take his calls and managers to make authoritative decisions in different areas of operation. You’re not failing to contact the boss by speaking to the secretary or the manager, since they act on His behalf and with His full approval and guidance.
 
Question: Why would the follower have a higher authority than the Master? Why would the priest be more preferred that Christ? Or more to the point, why would confession to a priest be superior to confession to Christ Himself? Is it because the priest would be in a better position or more power and authority to forgive the sin than Christ who gave that power to them in the first place? Does Christ lose that power when he gave it to the follower?

Really just interested to know. I’ve been wondering about this for sometime now. Quoting catechetical teachings doesn’t quite do it for me.
You’re making a false dichotomy. Confessing to a priest IS confessing to Christ. The servant is in the place of the Master and for the time has His selfsame authority. Jesus said it - ‘as the Father sent me (ie with all authority) so am I sending you’.

He instituted it thus when He gave the Apostles power to forgive sins (and you appear to think he did this for no reason, since according to you there is absolutely no occasion for it to ever be used by them)

He did so for excellent reason - because for our own benefit we need the audible reassurance of forgiveness as well as the solid advice priests often give in the Confessional.

Kind of like a boss (and I’ve spoken to many in my day) who hires a secretary to take his calls and managers to make authoritative decisions in different areas of operation. You’re not failing to contact the boss by speaking to the secretary or the manager, since they act on His behalf and with His full approval and guidance.
 
Question: Why would the follower have a higher authority than the Master? Why would the priest be more preferred that Christ? Or more to the point, why would confession to a priest be superior to confession to Christ Himself? Is it because the priest would be in a better position or more power and authority to forgive the sin than Christ who gave that power to them in the first place? Does Christ lose that power when he gave it to the follower?

Really just interested to know. I’ve been wondering about this for sometime now. Quoting catechetical teachings doesn’t quite do it for me.
You’re making a false dichotomy. Confessing to a priest IS confessing to Christ. The servant is in the place of the Master and for the time has His selfsame authority. Jesus said it - ‘as the Father sent me (ie with all authority) so am I sending you’.

He instituted it thus when He gave the Apostles power to forgive sins (and you appear to think he did this for no reason, since according to you there is absolutely no occasion for it to ever be used by them)

He did so for excellent reason - because for our own benefit we need the audible reassurance of forgiveness as well as the solid advice priests often give in the Confessional.

Kind of like a boss (and I’ve spoken to many in my day) who hires a secretary to take his calls and managers to make authoritative decisions in different areas of operation. You’re not failing to contact the boss by speaking to the secretary or the manager, since they act on His behalf and with His full approval and guidance.
 
Question: Why would the follower have a higher authority than the Master? Why would the priest be more preferred that Christ? Or more to the point, why would confession to a priest be superior to confession to Christ Himself? Is it because the priest would be in a better position or more power and authority to forgive the sin than Christ who gave that power to them in the first place? Does Christ lose that power when he gave it to the follower?

Really just interested to know. I’ve been wondering about this for sometime now. Quoting catechetical teachings doesn’t quite do it for me.
Why would Christ breath the Holy Spirit on the Apostles and give them this authority (notice that this is the first thing Christ passes on after His Resurrection) if we weren’t meant to use this gift?

Any sins you forgive, they are forgiven. Any sins you remit, they are remitted. Although, in all honesty, the faithful should come to me instead”. That doesn’t have the right ring to it.

BTW, Welcome to the Forums asr!!!
 
Question: Why would the follower have a higher authority than the Master? Why would the priest be more preferred that Christ? Or more to the point, why would confession to a priest be superior to confession to Christ Himself? Is it because the priest would be in a better position or more power and authority to forgive the sin than Christ who gave that power to them in the first place? Does Christ lose that power when he gave it to the follower?

Really just interested to know. I’ve been wondering about this for sometime now. Quoting catechetical teachings doesn’t quite do it for me.
Because when you confess to a priest, you know right then and there whether or not your sins were forgiven. There is no doubt in your mind. Jesus said that whose ever sins they forgive, would be forgiven and whose else sins they retained, would be retained. If the priest says that he forgives you your sins, you KNOW your sins ARE forgiven.

If you go directly to the Master, how do you know that Jesus has forgiven your sins? He may have forgiven them or, just like the option that He gave to the priests, Jesus may have retained them. You don’t know. Recall that Jesus said that many will come to Him on Judgment Day saying “Lord, Lord” and He will reply that He does not know them.

With the priest, you CAN be certain one way or another.
 
Question: Why would the follower have a higher authority than the Master? Why would the priest be more preferred that Christ? Or more to the point, why would confession to a priest be superior to confession to Christ Himself? Is it because the priest would be in a better position or more power and authority to forgive the sin than Christ who gave that power to them in the first place? Does Christ lose that power when he gave it to the follower?

Really just interested to know. I’ve been wondering about this for sometime now. Quoting catechetical teachings doesn’t quite do it for me.
It’s not a matter of “either the priest, or Christ.” When you “confess” by yourself, you are not actually confessing to God; you are confessing to yourself. Those little voices in your head are not God’s voices; they are your own voices - you are not actually receiving messages from God in your head; you are only hearing your own thoughts, or thinking of what you would expect God to say to you - which isn’t always what He would say to you. It’s easy to become confused about this, and that’s why we need the Church and the Scriptures - so that we can know what is true, without having to rely on our own limited understanding.

We cannot be forgiven merely by thinking that we are forgiven - we have to actually receive forgiveness, and God uses the priest as a kind of “conduit” or “window” through which He passes His forgiveness to us.

It is only when we are in the company of the priest (who is in persona Christi) that we come into the presence of God, and we become able to confess our sins to God.
 
Question: Why would the follower have a higher authority than the Master? Why would the priest be more preferred that Christ? Or more to the point, why would confession to a priest be superior to confession to Christ Himself? Is it because the priest would be in a better position or more power and authority to forgive the sin than Christ who gave that power to them in the first place? Does Christ lose that power when he gave it to the follower?

Really just interested to know. I’ve been wondering about this for sometime now. Quoting catechetical teachings doesn’t quite do it for me.
It is not a matter of higher power, but of what is possible. Jesus gave his apostles and their successors the power to forgive sins.

[John 20:22-23]And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

So if you confess directly to Jesus, you never know till your death if your sins were forgiven or maybe some retained for one reason or another. Jesus did not renounce the power, he expanded it and made it possible to bring genuine peace to the penitent. Unlike the good thief most of us will never hear Jesus promise while we are still alive,“This day you will be with me in paradise.”

While I recognize that some believe once they have accepted Christ they are absolutely assured of salvation, I don’t think when everything in the scriptures concerning this is looked at that “once saved always saved” has any validity and instills a false confidence that doesn’t actually exist, but that is another thread…
 
I’m not sure about the being certain of forgiveness because a priest gave it as against believing Christ has forgiven me although I haven’t heard it from him physically. If the argument for it (my sins forgiveness) is by way of physical manifestations, then my faith in Christ hinges on the existence of the priest. If I find myself in a place where there is no priest then I can never be certain that my sins are going to be forgiven. If the time comes when priests have become very few in number or even become extinct, as the present trend appears to point to, then sinners won’t have any assurances of their sins being forgiven.

Moreover, in the many times that I have gone to confession to a priest, I don’t remember any instance when the priests who heard my confessions have said my sins are not forgiven. It had always been forgiven. So if the priests can always forgive my sins, why would Christ be less forgiving? And why should I not feel surer and more certain that my sins are forgiven by Jesus as against the priests? Shouldn’t I have more faith in Jesus’ forgiving grace than that of the priest? If it’s a question of my being sincere and contrite, how would the priest know that better than Jesus?

I understand that according to the Scriptures, Jesus “delegated” the power to forgive sins, or not, to his apostles. I will also assume (because I have not come across a specific passage on it) that the Church will sustain that the delegated power can further be delegated by the apostles to other followers and so on down the generations through the rites of the Holy Orders. But is there a passage where Jesus directed the faithful to confess their sins to the apostles when he’s gone and not to Him anymore? I recall that He said that He will be with us till the end of the world therefore He is still ever present, which is also a key Catholic belief.
 
asr,
When Jesus taught the crowds, He was teaching all Christians.
When Jesus taught the Apostles by themselves, He was teaching the Church.

Remember that when you read Scriptures.

Yes, Jesus exists in those who are Faithful, and He teaches that when he says, “He who eats My Flesh abides in me” and numerous other times when He teaches on Salvation.

But when Jesus says, “and Lo, I will be with you always”, He is telling the Church that He will always be with Her. He and the Holy Spirit will guide the Church and the Gates of Hell will not prevail.

Hence, trust that even in times such as these, that there will be priests. God is testing the Church as He always has, for only in testing are we strengthened. And the Church will survive and continue to spread the Good News to every nation!!!

My priest assures me that the Church has faced far darker times than those She faces today and has continued to guide the lost sheep to Him.

AMEN!!!
 
If the time comes when priests have become very few in number or even become extinct, as the present trend appears to point to, then sinners won’t have any assurances of their sins being forgiven.
The Lord always provides. You can see that a lot of vocations are coming from Africa and Asia. Our Priest is from the Philippines and our Parochial Vicar is from Congo Kinshasa. Imagine that a generation ago!
Moreover, in the many times that I have gone to confession to a priest, I don’t remember any instance when the priests who heard my confessions have said my sins are not forgiven. It had always been forgiven. So if the priests can always forgive my sins, why would Christ be less forgiving?
What this means is that your confessions have been heartfelt. If, for example, you confessed what the church teaches is a sin, but didn’t understand why it was a sin, the priest would likely not give absolution. Why? Sin contains three parts: 1. an act or omission that is sinful by its nature, 2. you must have knowledge that it was sinful, and 3. you must have given full consent of your will at the time you committed it. Only then does the sin attach. If you were threatened or coerced into committing a sin, it would not attach, because you did not engage in it willingly.
And why should I not feel surer and more certain that my sins are forgiven by Jesus as against the priests? Shouldn’t I have more faith in Jesus’ forgiving grace than that of the priest? If it’s a question of my being sincere and contrite, how would the priest know that better than Jesus?
Christ knew that the burden of sin was the ruin of many souls. He arranged confession so that there was a “moment of Grace” at which time you could be 100% certain that the sin was destroyed. It is precisely this moment of Grace that is the blessing to your soul and conscience. Look at how Jesus forgave:

Matthew 9:2 Some men brought to him a paralytic, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.”
Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”
Luke 5:20 When Jesus saw their faith, he said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.”
Luke 7:48Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
Each time, he spoke the words “Your sins are forgiven”. This is Jesus Christ teaching and practicing at the same time. The priest does the same so that you hear, with your own ears, that your sin is gone. Bear in mind that hearing confessions is wearying to the priest. He must take your sin, make it his own - in emulation of Christ, then offer it up to the Father to be destroyed. So, take it easy on your priest!
But is there a passage where Jesus directed the faithful to confess their sins to the apostles when he’s gone and not to Him anymore? I recall that He said that He will be with us till the end of the world therefore He is still ever present, which is also a key Catholic belief.
Ah, but who then determines your penance? Do you just listen very intently and wait? No! The priest assigns your penance. You do not have that with confession to self. Christ is a Jew and both the Jews and early Christians practiced public confession of sin:
1 Samuel 7:6When they had assembled at Mizpah, they drew water and poured it out before the LORD. On that day they fasted and there they confessed, “We have sinned against the LORD.”
Nehemiah 9:2Those of Israelite descent had separated themselves from all foreigners. They stood in their places and confessed their sins and the wickedness of their fathers.
Acts 19:18Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed their evil deeds.

What better strengthens you against sin: Silently confessing in the darkness of your room - or - having to look the priest in the eyes and confess? Obviously, Christ knew the best way to confess, and so left us with that form.

May Christ’s peace always be with you.
 
I say confess to christ…just make sure there is a priest there.😃
 
I say confess to christ…just make sure there is a priest there.😃
Man, that is GOLD!!!

Expect that line to be “borrowed” from time to time!!! But don’t worry, I’ll confess to Christ if I plagiarize you on it! 😉
 
Question: Why would the follower have a higher authority than the Master? Why would the priest be more preferred that Christ? Or more to the point, why would confession to a priest be superior to confession to Christ Himself? Is it because the priest would be in a better position or more power and authority to forgive the sin than Christ who gave that power to them in the first place? Does Christ lose that power when he gave it to the follower?

Really just interested to know. I’ve been wondering about this for sometime now. Quoting catechetical teachings doesn’t quite do it for me.
What is sin?
Sin is a state when you are away from God.

If you are in sin you are away from God.
Now if you could speak directly to God you are with God consequently you are not in sin.
 
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