Confessing Nothing?

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Thank you very much and although it’s a few weeks early…😛

Ἀληθῶς ἀνέστη!
Oops. My apologies. I am at the end of a long day and I juggle too many calendars for an old man.

At least we both have the benefit of knowing how the story ends…which ever calendar our celebration is based upon!

I had hoped to live long enough to see a fixed date for Easter decided and agreed upon by the various hierarchs. Perhaps I will have to be content to seeing it from Heaven. Again, greetings and welcome. I have enjoyed reading your posts here…they are excellent.
 
Oops. My apologies. I am at the end of a long day and I juggle too many calendars for an old man.

At least we both have the benefit of knowing how the story ends…which ever calendar our celebration is based upon!

I had hoped to live long enough to see a fixed date for Easter decided and agreed upon by the various hierarchs. Perhaps I will have to be content to seeing it from Heaven. Again, greetings and welcome. I have enjoyed reading your posts here…they are excellent.
Thank you very much. Even though I disagree on some key issues I love Catholics, love the Catholic Church and I love the Pope.
 
As a priest who has done spiritual direction and still does it to a lesser degree now that I am retired, I want to affirm what you have written. To be effective, spiritual direction cannot be anonymous. The director, whoever he or she is (and spiritual directors are ever increasingly not uniquely priests,) is giving direction to an individual in a concrete state of life who will be in a very individual situation. It is important for there to be a rapport that transcends any screen.

A second point is that spiritual direction should never happen in the confessional. It can happen that a session of spiritual direction may happen to also involve a celebration of reconciliation – but it should never be the other way around. That is neither fair to the celebration of the sacrament of reconciliation and, frankly, it is not just to the other penitents who are waiting and simply want to avail themselves of the opportunity to confess.

Beyond this, and to the original poster’s points, while the Church does recommend “frequent” use of the sacrament of penance, the penitent must discern what is spiritually useful as opposed to what is not useful or even spiritually harmful. Some times the confessor, too, must intervene when the use of the sacrament becomes either radically infrequent or too frequent.

As a confessor, I would ask you please not to do this.

As I scan the list, there are only two of us who are priests, unless I have missed someone. Father B.F. (for want of knowing his preferred designation here) has suggested using different aids for the examination of conscience and examining against the paradigm of sins of omission. This is a very good suggestion.

Beyond that, I would suggest the help of a spiritual director – or in the absence of that possibility, as we can be hard to come by today, you could ask the confessor after your confession and before leaving the confessional his thoughts about useful frequency based on the confession you have made. An experienced confessor should have no problem in making a reasoned suggestion.

My advice, personally, would be if you don’t find the need to confess, then don’t go to the confessional, assuming you are going when conscious of mortal sin.
You are a priest?

There are times that I want to say, “I have done nothing because I am simply to lazy.” How does one confess the things that should have been done. My sins are so stupid, so silly and so petty. Confessors have great sympathy for drug addicts, alcoholics and great sinners. But the problems of an elderly over weight woman are scorned. The sins are there but they are subtle and not easily spoken. I would rather tell a priest a serious sin than to confess that I binged on chocolate candy.
 
Thank you very much. Even though I disagree on some key issues I love Catholics, love the Catholic Church and I love the Pope.
And I have worked with the Orthodox for decades – for whom I have the greatest of esteem, love, and respect. Bartholomew was present in Rome as a young cleric when Paul and Athenagoras met there in 1967. It has been a wonderful moment to have lived and been a priest. I would have chosen no other.
 
You are a priest?
Yes.
There are times that I want to say, “I have done nothing because I am simply to lazy.” How does one confess the things that should have been done. My sins are so stupid, so silly and so petty. Confessors have great sympathy for drug addicts, alcoholics and great sinners. But the problems of an elderly over weight woman are scorned. The sins are there but they are subtle and not easily spoken. I would rather tell a priest a serious sin than to confess that I binged on chocolate candy.
I am not sure this is really best discussed on the public board – but by way of a general response that can be perhaps helpful to others…

A confessor rejoices that someone who has serious sins is reconciled to the Lord and to the Church…without question. On the other hand, the confessor is properly happy, too, when someone who is trying to be ever closer to the Lord approaches the sacrament with sins of a less serious nature.

Please don’t, therefore, say you had rather have a serious sin to confess. It is much better that you don’t!

I am sad to read that you find your confessions are being scorned. This is a cause for concern. It would not be properly pastoral of the confessor and you would be justified in gently saying “Father, I am coming to this sacrament because I need its graces and I greatly desire the absolution it provides for those things that are preventing me from being closer to the Lord. Please help me.”

Our Holy Father is right when he says the confessional is not to be a torture chamber…and it can be such for many reasons and in a variety of ways, alas.

There is the classic case of the penitent who expresses exasperation to the confessor that he always confesses the exact same sins in each confession…the confessor sagely answers that this was better than an alternative where he had discovered an entirely new list of sins that he found need of confessing, now that he had begun to commit them as well.

As a purely practical suggestion for what you are listing, you might simply say “I was intemperate in eating” or “I overindulged in foods that I enjoy” or “I confess an unhealthy attachment to overeating” rather than how you phrased it. I say that because, for you who are speaking, you have lived this and understand its ramifications and why you feel the need to confess – and in fact are confessing – these things.

I can’t address the issue you confront with any precision. Possibly the confessor, who is listening and hears what you are confessing through the filter of his experience, thinks of the matter as something that would be trivial to him. It remains, however, that it is not trivial to you, in your life circumstance. Being less specific for sins that are not mortal/serious, as I have tried to articulate, would not take you into an area that may seem overly trivial from the confessor’s perspective. It is, at least, a thought.

On the other hand, laziness, sloth, or neglect of one’s daily duty are all perfectly legitimate in themselves to confess in the sacrament. They should assuredly not be rebuffed.
 
Yes.



As a purely practical suggestion for what you are listing, you might simply say “I was intemperate in eating” or “I overindulged in foods that I enjoy” or “I confess an unhealthy attachment to overeating” rather than how you phrased it. I say that because, for you who are speaking, you have lived this and understand its ramifications and why you feel the need to confess – and in fact are confessing – these things.

I can’t address the issue you confront with any precision. Possibly the confessor, who is listening and hears what you are confessing through the filter of his experience, thinks of the matter as something that would be trivial to him. It remains, however, that it is not trivial to you, in your life circumstance. Being less specific for sins that are not mortal/serious, as I have tried to articulate, would not take you into an area that may seem overly trivial from the confessor’s perspective. It is, at least, a thought.

On the other hand, laziness, sloth, or neglect of one’s daily duty are all perfectly legitimate in themselves to confess in the sacrament. They should assuredly not be rebuffed.
Thank you so much!
 
I would have just wanted to ask what should I do. I have been Catholic nearly 10 years. I have been closing some memories of some sins of past all these years. I recently understood while praying that they were still offensive to God. I was wondering whether I should go n confess those. There is stuff I remember doing like as a five year old and upto when I was twenty years all kinds of things. Should I still go n confess them even though I was not Catholic when I commited some of these sins? :confused:
 
I would have just wanted to ask what should I do. I have been Catholic nearly 10 years. I have been closing some memories of some sins of past all these years. I recently understood while praying that they were still offensive to God. I was wondering whether I should go n confess those. There is stuff I remember doing like as a five year old and upto when I was twenty years all kinds of things. Should I still go n confess them even though I was not Catholic when I commited some of these sins? :confused:
My answer would be different, based on differing scenarios.

Your profile indicates that you became Catholic in 2007. If you were baptised when you became Catholic, then there is absolutely no need to bring sins that pre-date your baptism to the sacrament of reconciliation. They have been washed away.

If you were received into full communion, having been validly baptised in another Christian confession, yes, sins from your past that have not been confessed are properly confessed – however, in terms of pastoral application, one would make a confession when one is received into full communion that involved a sincere and thorough examination of conscience, to resolve sins of the past.

That said, it certainly can happen that, for any number of reasons, one will remember sins from the past and even the remote past – and one can mention them in a subsequent confession. It can also happen that, as one’s knowledge and closeness to the faith grows, one’s awareness, even of past actions, can change and that may prompt a person to bring something from the past to a current confession.

But this should not be an on-going process, spanning years. The past should be consigned to the past.

Having been a confessor for a very long time, I am also a bit concerned when you are raising the issue of sins from when you were five years old…this is almost certainly before you attained the age of reason and, in any event, could not be serious sins such as what must be brought to the sacrament. Also, you must not retroject the knowledge that you have today to the knowledge you had in the past. The assessment has to be made in light of what the younger you knew then – not what you know today.

In order for a sin to be serious, the matter itself has to be serious, you have to know that it is serious, and freely choose that which is sinful. If one of those is lacking, one is not guilty of serious sin.

Now, having said all of that…you have been Catholic for almost 10 years. It would not be inappropriate to make what is called a general confession; such a confession, which is more normally done at milestone moments of life, such as taking the religious habit or a major retreat, has a very retrospective quality and can be more or less thorough.

You could make such a confession in which you address these points about which you are concerned – but then that should be the end of the matter regarding sins in the past. These sins should never again be re-visited. When one has a sensitive conscience, one must be very attentive against moving toward scrupulosity.

I should add, too: if you decide to make a general confession, it is best to do so in the context of making an appointment with the priest rather than attempting to do it in the context of regularly scheduled confession times…a general confession, by appointment, allows you and the confessor more time so that this confession could provide you definitively with the closure to those memories for which you are seeking closure. Any sense of being rushed and not being able to articulate whatever you are wanting to say could defeat the purpose and exacerbate the situation, in my opinion.
 
Thank you so much!
You are very welcome. I hope it was useful. I will pray that the Lord guides you to a confessor who can be more helpful. Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque suffered in this way. Ask her to intercede for you in this situation.
 
When I begin to think about who God is, and who I am in relation to God, I am made aware of the vast difference, and shortcomings will come to mind.
 
I am grateful for this thread. It has been a long time in coming. There have always been examination of conscience lists for people to use that contains every sort of mortal and venial sins to assist people on what to say in confession. But what seems to be lacking is guidance for those who are striving for holiness to have better aids to guide them on what to confess. Perhaps those who are in religious communities are offered this counsel or may have materials to assist them in the examinations of conscience but it is something that I have long felt was lacking particularly among us laity.
 
I am grateful for this thread. It has been a long time in coming. There have always been examination of conscience lists for people to use that contains every sort of mortal and venial sins to assist people on what to say in confession. But what seems to be lacking is guidance for those who are striving for holiness to have better aids to guide them on what to confess. Perhaps those who are in religious communities are offered this counsel or may have materials to assist them in the examinations of conscience but it is something that I have long felt was lacking particularly among us laity.
Yes. 👍
 
If you have nothing to confess to, don’t go to confession. The last thing you need is to develop scruples.
There is a big difference between scruples and a desire to become more like Christ. We all sin. Going to confession is like going to a doctor and telling him the symptoms of a disease. Venial sins, like an untreated minor illness, can and often become mortal sins. Think of a venial sin as a small cancerous mole that can easily be removed. But, left unchecked will develop into melanoma spread throughout the whole body.
 
So I feel like I should go to Confession, but I don’t know what specific sins (as far as I’m aware, I’ve committed no mortal sin) to confess to. Am I allowed to just say “I am sorry for all the sins I have committed in my past life” and recite the Act of Contrition? Thank you all ahead of time!
You really need to learn to examine your conscience, that’s part of the whole confession process you know.

(I haven’t examined this whole site, and I probably won’t, I’m not advocating anything on other pages which might not be accurate0 But this is what I’m talking about.

fatima.org/essentials/requests/examconc.asp
 
In addition to specific instances and offenses, frequently my confessions are about shortcomings that separate me from God, Most of the intense issues I have are from this kind of thing rather than running over small children in the street.

Being uncharitable.
Giving in to anxiety and/or despair.
Lack of trust.
Failing to be kind and patient to those who need my help.

Our priests are very good with spiritual guidance as well. I’m not saying that is wholly what confession is about, but it is good when a priest provides some spiritual guidance.
 
You really need to learn to examine your conscience, that’s part of the whole confession process you know.

(I haven’t examined this whole site, and I probably won’t, I’m not advocating anything on other pages which might not be accurate0 But this is what I’m talking about.

fatima.org/essentials/requests/examconc.asp
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That is a sin? How can we learn what others think of our Church if we don’t keep informed?**
 
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That is a sin? How can we learn what others think of our Church if we don’t keep informed?**

There was a list of prohibited works, abolished in 1966, called Index Librorum Prohibitorum,

In 1966 when the Index was abolished many thought this meant the works listed on it could be read. Cardinal Ratzinger addressed this issue with respect to the “Poem of the Man-God,” in the aforementioned Letter saying
“After the dissolution of the Index, when some people thought the printing and distribution of the work was permitted, people were reminded again in ‘LOsservatore Romano’ (June 15, 1966) that, as was published in the ‘Acta Apostolicae Sedis’ (1966), the Index retains its moral force despite its dissolution. A decision against distributing and recommending a work, which has not beeen condemned lightly, may be reversed, but only after profound changes that neutralize the harm which such a publication could bring forth among the ordinary faithful.”



Since the duty of submission to the Magisterium is part of the divine constitution of the Church and necessary for salvation, whereas, private revelations (even authentic ones, which this is not) cannot oblige in faith, it should be an easy call what the loyal Catholic should do. Is it forbidden? In the strict canonical sense (legal prohibition and sanctions for violating), no. Is it grossly imprudent to read things which the Church has discouraged in the strongest terms? Yes. Is it a bad use of time when there are writings of the Magisterium, of the saints and the Catechism that are not being read? Absolutely.​

ewtn.com/expert/answers/poem_of_the_man.htm
 
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