Confession tracker booklet?

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Does anyone know of a confession tracker booklet? Confirmation students in my church are required to go to confession once a month. I saw a little booklet that kids bring to confession that the priest signs, but it’s only in Polish. Anyone ever see anything like this in English?
 
Never seen one and hope never to see one. I don’t see a bunch of value in requiring someone to go to confession if they don’t want to. I’d think their contrition might be suspect if it’s an assignment that is being tracked. I can just see it now… “bless me father because I am required to be here …”

I know that you are likely just following directions, but I suspect you don’t see many because it’s a bad idea to start with in my not so humble opinion.

ETA - I wonder if this is more than simply a bad idea. Not only is a priest not supposed to reveal what was said in confession, but shouldn’t even acknowledge if someone did go to confession. By having a priest confirm a particular penitent was there it would seem to be a violation of the seal of confession.
 
Does anyone know of a confession tracker booklet? Confirmation students in my church are required to go to confession once a month. I saw a little booklet that kids bring to confession that the priest signs, but it’s only in Polish. Anyone ever see anything like this in English?
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We prefer to teach our Confirmandi the importance and value of Confession/Reconciliation rather than force or mandate.

But there is a spanish speaking chapel/parish in the next county that has a Nun taking attendance at the back door of the church. Your kid doesn’t attend Mass there every week? No First Communion, start over next year. Their pastor is Haitian and very strict.
I kid you not. I’ve had their parents come to me at our parish and ask me to sign that they were at our parish for some reason that week.
 
Does anyone know of a confession tracker booklet? Confirmation students in my church are required to go to confession once a month. I saw a little booklet that kids bring to confession that the priest signs, but it’s only in Polish. Anyone ever see anything like this in English?
Required by who? You cannot force people to go to confession. And the surest way to having those teens turned off is to make them go. That needs to be rethought.
 
Required by who? You cannot force people to go to confession. And the surest way to having those teens turned off is to make them go. That needs to be rethought.
As well as to seemingly compromise their right to anonymity. I agree with those who feel this is a terrible idea / practice. I would forbid any child of mine, teenager or otherwise, to participate in this practice, and would complain to the pastor. If it turned out to be the pastor’s idea, I’d call the bishop.
 
As well as to seemingly compromise their right to anonymity. I agree with those who feel this is a terrible idea / practice. I would forbid any child of mine, teenager or otherwise, to participate in this practice, and would complain to the pastor. If it turned out to be the pastor’s idea, I’d call the bishop.
I agree. I would not make my child go either. It has to be done freely, not because it is required.
 
Yes, I’m just doing something I was asked to do.

I believe that part of the idea behind it is the parents won’t do it unless they are required, meaning the parents won’t take the kids unless they have to. And these kids can’t yet drive themselves, so they are dependent on their parents.

I teach 2nd grade RE and am amazed at how many kids tell me that their parents won’t take them to Mass- they are too busy. I’ve had kids in tears tell me this. Many Parents want the sacrament for the party and because it’s tradition.
 
As well as to seemingly compromise their right to anonymity.
We have a right to *private *not *anonymous *confession.

But I do agree this seems a direct violation of the seal of confession – If “someone” is requiring confession at a particular frequncy the only right way to enforce it that I can think of is for that person (teacher, DRE, et cetera) or their deputy (eg if it is the pastor’s policy) to, like the nun of post #3, to be at the church at the scheduled times and take note of attendance. And if in any particular month a confirmand will be confessing elsewhere, they should notify the person in charge (“I’ll be confessing at Our Lady of the Next County parish Friday at 7:30 – You can either come and watch or just trust me, ya’ Nosy Parker”)

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Yes, I’m just doing something I was asked to do.
That is not a good reason to violate the canonical rights of Catholic children.
I believe that part of the idea behind it is the parents won’t do it unless they are required, meaning the parents won’t take the kids unless they have to. And these kids can’t yet drive themselves, so they are dependent on their parents.
You cannot require confession, you cannot require the penitent to document or obtain signatures. It violates their right to private and anonymous confession. No matter the intention, no one has the authority to do this.
I teach 2nd grade RE and am amazed at how many kids tell me that their parents won’t take them to Mass- they are too busy. I’ve had kids in tears tell me this. Many Parents want the sacrament for the party and because it’s tradition.
Be that as it may, you simply cannot do what you have outlined here.
 
We have a right to *private *not *anonymous *confession.

But I do agree this seems a direct violation of the seal of confession – If “someone” is requiring confession at a particular frequncy the only right way to enforce it that I can think of is for that person (teacher, DRE, et cetera) or their deputy (eg if it is the pastor’s policy) to, like the nun of post #3, to be at the church at the scheduled times and take note of attendance. And if in any particular month a confirmand will be confessing elsewhere, they should notify the person in charge (“I’ll be confessing at Our Lady of the Next County parish Friday at 7:30 – You can either come and watch or just trust me, ya’ Nosy Parker”)

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That depends on your definition of anonymous. Do you mean to the priest, to the Church as a body, or to anyone within eye shot? Canon 964§2 is clearly formulated to ensure that the penitent has the option to remain anonymous from the priest. Because it is so specifically stated that care must be taken to ensure that a confessional have a fixed grill, it would seem to mean that it is the right and not something nice to have. As a priest is already enjoined from speaking about the confession the only reason the grill would be there is for the right of the penitent. By extention one could say that a penitent has a right to anonymity to the Church as a body. This would then mean that a penitent has the right to not be tracked for compliance.

We’d need one of our resident canonist to weigh in, but it would seem to be a logical conclusion that the Church should neither require nor compel a person to receive the sacrament. It seems highly problematic to set requirements to receive a sacrament at an interval that is greater than the Church herself sets.
 
Does anyone know of a confession tracker booklet? Confirmation students in my church are required to go to confession once a month. I saw a little booklet that kids bring to confession that the priest signs, but it’s only in Polish. Anyone ever see anything like this in English?
That is actually a good idea. There are prayer journals so having a confessional journal could help a Catholic keep track of repeated sins and help in gaining holiness. Poland has always been a strong Catholic country.
 
That depends on your definition of anonymous. Do you mean to the priest, to the Church as a body, or to anyone within eye shot? Canon 964§2 is clearly formulated to ensure that the penitent has the option to remain anonymous from the priest. Because it is so specifically stated that care must be taken to ensure that a confessional have a fixed grill, it would seem to mean that it is the right and not something nice to have. As a priest is already enjoined from speaking about the confession the only reason the grill would be there is for the right of the penitent. By extention one could say that a penitent has a right to anonymity to the Church as a body. This would then mean that a penitent has the right to not be tracked for compliance.

We’d need one of our resident canonist to weigh in, but it would seem to be a logical conclusion that the Church should neither require nor compel a person to receive the sacrament. It seems highly problematic to set requirements to receive a sacrament at an interval that is greater than the Church herself sets.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the priest “present” candidates to the bishop for confirmation, which essentially states that the priest says these candidates are in fact ready and prepared for confirmation? How can said priest be confident if candidate hasn’t been to confession? Forget about monthly confession here. The Church requires yearly confession, right? Most confirmation programs, at least out here, are less than one year. So how could priest be confident candidates are ready without some sort of mandatory confession? I know that a teacher or DRE cannot require a kid to go to confession, but can a priest? Is this similair to the canon law that says a priest is essentially required to deny communion to a known, unrepentant sinner (like Bishop Bruskewitz says he’ll deny Kerry communion?)

My daughter was confirmed last year, and several class periods were devoted strictly for confession. I don’t know if confession was required or what would have happened had my child decided not to go to confession, I actually never thought to ask. 🤷

I did attend a Mass a few years ago where the priest was talking about his new 2-year confirmation class. He stated that he had recently presented 100 candidates to the bishop yet priest only actually saw about 20 kids attend weekly Mass. I wish I could find this priest and ask him about this (I saw priest while on vacation years ago). I’m curious what he’s done to help assure that the candidates are indeed ready for the sacrament.

I also would love to hear from the Spanish church that you mentioned Pisnistclair, too see how their process has worked out.

I certainly see the point of not “forcing” kids to go to confession, though I do admit to taking my kids every month. I don’t strong arm them; I just announce its time for confession. I suppose the sacrament isn’t valid (right word?) if penitent isn’t truly sorry and is going only out of obligation, but would grace still be inferred, perhaps enough to persuade kid to go back on his own?
 
That is actually a good idea. There are prayer journals so having a confessional journal could help a Catholic keep track of repeated sins and help in gaining holiness. Poland has always been a strong Catholic country.
That’s what I was wondering. If a confession tracker is canonically wrong, then why is it seemingly so commonplace in Poland?
 
That’s what I was wondering. If a confession tracker is canonically wrong, then why is it seemingly so commonplace in Poland?
I don’t know…a lot of Catholics in the west are squeamish in their Faith. I think it’s the part about requiring confession at a certain interval. They don’t like being told what to do. Poland is a strong Catholic country. Of course that ties in with receiving the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord. I sure would like to hear more from the pulpit about going to confession like you have mentioned. I know Fr. Z mentions it frequently. And Pope Francis has talked much about confession. Maybe it’s a liberal mindset that is adverse to Authority…something along those lines.
 
That depends on your definition of anonymous. Do you mean to the priest, to the Church as a body, or to anyone within eye shot? Canon 964§2 is clearly formulated to ensure that the penitent has the option to remain anonymous from the priest. Because it is so specifically stated that care must be taken to ensure that a confessional have a fixed grill, it would seem to mean that it is the right and not something nice to have. As a priest is already enjoined from speaking about the confession the only reason the grill would be there is for the right of the penitent.]
By extention one could say that a penitent has a right to anonymity to the Church as a body. This would then mean that a penitent has the right to not be tracked for compliance.
A fixed grille doesn’t guarantee anonymity and it wasn’t designed to. Anonymity is often a side-effect, but not a requirement.
We’d need one of our resident canonist to weigh in, but it would seem to be a logical conclusion that the Church should neither require nor compel a person to receive the sacrament. It seems highly problematic to set requirements to receive a sacrament at an interval that is greater than the Church herself sets.
I also think that requiring monthly confession is unacceptable.

This summer, my husband and sons went on a retreat. The boys were told that they had to go spend some time talking to the priest one-on-one. They could go to confession or not, it was up to them. I liked that approach. Perhaps it is a good approach to take for those preparing for the sacrament of Confirmation. Maybe not monthly, but at least once before receiving the sacrament.
 
That depends on your definition of anonymous. Do you mean to the priest, to the Church as a body, or to anyone within eye shot? Canon 964§2 is clearly formulated to ensure that the penitent has the option to remain anonymous from the priest.
So clear that it completely fails to use any form of the word anonymous?
Because it is so specifically stated that care must be taken to ensure that a confessional have a fixed grill, it would seem to mean that it is the right and not something nice to have. As a priest is already enjoined from speaking about the confession the only reason the grill would be there is for the right of the penitent. By extention one could say that a penitent has a right to anonymity to the Church as a body. This would then mean that a penitent has the right to not be tracked for compliance.
A fixed grill prevents physical contact, not the transmission of light, sound, nor other identifying characteristic.

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Who, For The Record, Is Not A Canon Lawyer
 
So clear that it completely fails to use any form of the word anonymous?

A fixed grill prevents physical contact, not the transmission of light, sound, nor other identifying characteristic.

tee
Who, For The Record, Is Not A Canon Lawyer
I have never seen nor experienced a “fixed grille” that did not also have a fabric component or a weave of dense metal - thus obscuring the person’s features or making them otherwise physically unrecognizabld. A grille through which a person could easily be recognized by their facial characteristics defeats the whole point of a grille. If the priest recognizes someone by voice, so be it. That it doesn’t prevent the transmission of sound is self-evident from the nature of the Sacrament, not sure why you’d mention that.
 
johnnyc175 brings up an excellent point. I will start tracking my confession attendance so I can make sure that I am attending confession monthly. With taking care of my husband and working 2 jobs, time often flies right past me and before I know it, it’s been 4 months since my last confession. Not good. I need the mercy and the graces that this sacrament can give!

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A fixed grille doesn’t guarantee anonymity and it wasn’t designed to. Anonymity is often a side-effect, but not a requirement.
What exactly is it designed for, then?
 
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