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Jesus , sent the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles,too give them the power too forgive sin of mankind ,do not be afraid to tell them too the Priest for it,s between you the Priest and God,the Priest cannot tell anyone what you say in Confession. AMEN
 
i believe it is in one of the letters of st. john where it says the many sins can be forgiven through prayer; but, the apostle continues, deadly sins cannot be forgiven by prayer. from that i figured that deadly sins could only be forgiven by confession to a priest who has the power to forgive sins in the name of Jesus Christ through the Lord’s giving the power to forgive sins to His Twelve Apostles.

just my thoughts on one reason Jesus created the sacrament of reconciliation.
 
I just don’t understand confessing my sins to a priest? Can’t I just confess directly to God?
Confessing to a priest is a gift from God. Jesus knows that we need to communicate with another human being and a priest is God working through that human being.

As a convert, I find it difficult to go to confession but when I do go to confession, I feel a weight off my shoulders. God knows what we need.

His laws are made for our good and for our happiness.
 
“A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible.”
I am pretty sure this is refering to priests not laity, so if someone were to miss mass in the state of mortal if they only had one sin they would have two mortal sins on their hands.
 
As lay people we partake in the mass the priest is the one who celebrates the mass. Hence why they are refered to as the celebrant.
 
I have read this whole thread and find it helpful but confusing. Many priests have told me that there is no sin so great that God will not forgive you. With this in mind it seems that we may have absolute assurance that any sin confessed with sincere repentance directly to God will be forgiven. This seems to make confession to a priest optional. I have also discussed confession with Baptists, Evangelicals, Messianic Jews and other Protestants. Their response is always the same: “I prefer to go straight to God to confess my sins.” I know for a fact that some of them have committed very serious mortal sins such as abortion. How am I to make a case to them (non-Catholics) that they must confess those sins to an ordained Catholic priest or they may not be forgiven and will, as a consequence, spend eternity in hell? I am good friends and relatives of many of these people who express this view and I do not want them to go to hell.
 
I have read this whole thread and find it helpful but confusing. Many priests have told me that there is no sin so great that God will not forgive you. With this in mind it seems that we may have absolute assurance that any sin confessed with sincere repentance directly to God will be forgiven. This seems to make confession to a priest optional. I have also discussed confession with Baptists, Evangelicals, Messianic Jews and other Protestants. Their response is always the same: “I prefer to go straight to God to confess my sins.” I know for a fact that some of them have committed very serious mortal sins such as abortion. How am I to make a case to them (non-Catholics) that they must confess those sins to an ordained Catholic priest or they may not be forgiven and will, as a consequence, spend eternity in hell? I am good friends and relatives of many of these people who express this view and I do not want them to go to hell.
James 5:16 “confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.”

We do confess to God in the presence of the priest who having witnessed our confession of sins offers advice on how we can overcome sin and we receive absolution which makes us certain of forgiveness.

The Catholic Church has the protection of the Holy Spirit from errors on faith an morals. From The Council of Trent (Sess. XIV, i) declaration:
But the Lord then principally instituted the sacrament of penance, when, being raised from the dead, He breathed upon His disciples, saying Receive ye the Holy Ghost, whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them, and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. (l) By which action so signal, and words so clear, the consent of all the Fathers has ever understood, that the power of forgiving and retaining sins was communicated to the apostles and their lawful successors, for the reconciling of the faithful who have fallen after baptism. And the Catholic Church with great reason repudiated and condemned as heretics, the Novatians, who of old obstinately denied that power of forgiving. Wherefore, this holy Synod, approving of and receiving as most true this meaning of those words of our Lord, condemns the fanciful interpretations of those who, in opposition to the institution of this sacrament, falsely wrest those words to the power of preaching the word of God, and of announcing the Gospel of Christ.

thecounciloftrent.com/ch14.htm
 
All of what the Council of Trent says makes perfect sense to me, a Catholic, and I try to go to confession weekly. The problem is that my non-Catholic friends and relatives do not accept the Catholic Church much less the teachings of the Council of Trent. When I quote John 20:23 to them they say, “Okay, you do it your way if you want, but I am going to cut out the middle man and go directly to God.” I would like to tell them that this verse means God will not forgive your sin unless you confess it to a Priest. This thread seems to indicate differently: that God does indeed forgive you sins if you go directly to Him outside of Catholic confession. If it were not the case, most, if not all, non-Catholics are going to spend eternity in Hell which is not the teaching of the Church.
 
All of what the Council of Trent says makes perfect sense to me, a Catholic, and I try to go to confession weekly. The problem is that my non-Catholic friends and relatives do not accept the Catholic Church much less the teachings of the Council of Trent. When I quote John 20:23 to them they say, “Okay, you do it your way if you want, but I am going to cut out the middle man and go directly to God.” I would like to tell them that this verse means God will not forgive your sin unless you confess it to a Priest. This thread seems to indicate differently: that God does indeed forgive you sins if you go directly to Him outside of Catholic confession. If it were not the case, most, if not all, non-Catholics are going to spend eternity in Hell which is not the teaching of the Church.
They cannot be certain of the forgiveness because their contrition may not me perfect. Individual confession through the Sacrament of Confession will forgive mortal sins where there is only imperfect contrition.
 
When Jesus appeared to the apostles in the upper room after His Resurrection He said “Peace be with you… whose sins you shall forgive they are forgiven, whose sins you shall retain they are retained.”

The apostles were the first priests, and the priesthood was handed down. Our Lord Jesus Christ desires to use people to be channels of His grace.

It aids in humility to confess one’s sins to a priest who is “in persona Christi”. It is awesome to hear the words of absolution as he speaks them. It is Jesus, through the priest who is speaking.

“Pray, hope, and don’t worry” (a great saying from St. Padre Pio). Exhort others peacefully, and keep praying for them.
 
I have read this whole thread and find it helpful but confusing. Many priests have told me that there is no sin so great that God will not forgive you. With this in mind it seems that we may have absolute assurance that any sin confessed with sincere repentance directly to God will be forgiven. This seems to make confession to a priest optional. I have also discussed confession with Baptists, Evangelicals, Messianic Jews and other Protestants. Their response is always the same: “I prefer to go straight to God to confess my sins.” I know for a fact that some of them have committed very serious mortal sins such as abortion. How am I to make a case to them (non-Catholics) that they must confess those sins to an ordained Catholic priest or they may not be forgiven and will, as a consequence, spend eternity in hell? I am good friends and relatives of many of these people who express this view and I do not want them to go to hell.
Thank you dear friend in Christ:thumbsup: A very thoughtful post!

1st permit me to point out that Sacramental Confession to a Ordained Priest is anything except optional;

John.20: 19 to 23

“On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to THEM “Peace be with you.” ** {“PEACE” IS THE SUM AND SUMMARY OF THE SACRAMENT OF KNOWN SIN FORGIVENESS} When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” ** {These words of Jesus ARE Literal} And when he had said this, he breathed ON THEM , and said TO THEM, "Receive the Holy Spirit. [23] IF YOU forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven;IF YOUI retain the sins of any, they are retained."

While in an emergency {Sacramental Confession being the NORM}; an act pf “PERFECT” contrition will remit the Mortal sin{s} until one can with urgency get to Sacramental Confession; there is NO assurance that such as act meets GODS requirements for being “perfect”, which it MUST be to be effective.{hence no or very little “peace.”}

It is an absolute TRUTH that any [ALL] sin that is [1] sincerely repented [2] proven by a change of life-style commitment [not to sin that way again WITH God’s grace] can be forgiven by an Ordained Priest

ANY {& ALL} methods outside of Sacramental Confession {this FACT is in the bible; [precisely to make the case clear, concise and precise as being GOD"S Way} hence all other methods are man’s IMPOSED desire to REQUIRE GOD to accept THEIR way, OVER His. And are HIGHLY suspect.

Jesus in freely choosing to Institute this Sacrament of KNOWN Peace through Sacramental Confession was not a NEW invention, or even a innovation. NOl what Christ DOES here is perfect and OT practice:

“Take unto thee also Aaron thy brother with his sons, from among the children of Israel, that they may minister to me in the priest’ s office: Aaron, Nadab, and Abiu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.” [Exodus 28:1]

Leviticus [THE BOOK OF THE LAW[ 5:16
And he shall make good the damage itself which he hath done, and shall add the fifth part besides, delivering it to the priest, who shall pray for him, offering the ram, and it shall be forgiven him.

Leviticus 5:18
He shall offer of the flocks a ram without blemish to the priest, according to the measure and estimation of the sin: and the priest shall pray for him, because he did it ignorantly: and it shall be forgiven him,

While GOD was “OK” with simply covering over man’s sins in the OT; Jesus the MESSIAH, now under a period of GRACE gives more and demands more:

Rom.6: 14-15
“For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!”

These my friend are the points to be raised; solidly supported by the Bible too:thumbsup:

One final thing about the bible it self {which BTW is a CATHOLIC BOOK}

***My friend have you ever been exposed to the One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible?

Never Ever; can, may or DOES
One verse, passage or teaching have the power or authority to
Invalidate, make void or override another Verse, passage or teaching:

Were this even the slightest possibility; [it’s NOT!] it would render the entire Bible useless to teach or learn Christ Faith”*

God Bless you and thanks for asking!
Patrick
 
I thank the Forum Master and Church Militant for their excellent replies. Maybe I could expand just a little more. I teach a 7th grade CCD class and we are going through the sacraments one by one. The sacrament we will discuss at the next session is (you guessed it) Penance. These children all go to the public schools and they are surrounded by views other than Catholic mostly atheistic. So, if I understand what you are all saying I will tell them that the normal and most assured way to be forgiven of sins—mortal and venial–is through verbal confession to a priest. In the spirit of full disclosure I also need to tell them that there is another way your mortal sin may be forgiven—the way the non-Catholic Christian does it. That way is to appeal directly to Jesus. This latter method can be just as efficacious as confession but it has to be done perfectly with perfect contrition and a flawless resolve not to do it again. If you don’t ‘dot your i’s and cross your t’s’ just right Jesus will not forgive you. Furthermore, since Jesus doesn’t talk to you like your mother and dad or I do you can never be sure that you did it exactly right and your terrible sin may be still on your soul and lead to your eternal damnation.

I can see the power point slides beginning to form in my mind already.
 
I have a lot of issues with Confession and it all revolves around the priests:
  • I have been to Confession (it’s only 20 minutes on the weekend), and had the priest either not show or show only with about 2 minutes left. I know some may say that he was called away etc…but this happens to consistently in a small parish.
  • I have been to Confession where the priest wanted me to say a longer version of Act of Contrition, and he didn’t know it…so he fumbles with his pockets and iPhone for a while before giving up completely and have me leave without it.
  • I have been to Confession where I could tell the priest seemed a little too “happy” to hear about my sexual sins.
  • I have been to Confession where the priest recognized me after about 3 weeks in a row of visiting and actually yelled at me in the Confessional to “stop it”, over a certain sin.
  • I have been to Confession where there has been zero pastoral advice, or zero penance given.
That’s only some…and I am at a point where I don’t know what to do.
 
I have a lot of issues with Confession and it all revolves around the priests:
  • I have been to Confession (it’s only 20 minutes on the weekend), and had the priest either not show or show only with about 2 minutes left. I know some may say that he was called away etc…but this happens to consistently in a small parish.
  • I have been to Confession where the priest wanted me to say a longer version of Act of Contrition, and he didn’t know it…so he fumbles with his pockets and iPhone for a while before giving up completely and have me leave without it.
  • I have been to Confession where I could tell the priest seemed a little too “happy” to hear about my sexual sins.
  • I have been to Confession where the priest recognized me after about 3 weeks in a row of visiting and actually yelled at me in the Confessional to “stop it”, over a certain sin.
  • I have been to Confession where there has been zero pastoral advice, or zero penance given.
That’s only some…and I am at a point where I don’t know what to do.
You still receive absolution for you sins, so that is the greatest mercy! None of the rest is really about you.
 
I have a lot of issues with Confession and it all revolves around the priests:
  • I have been to Confession (it’s only 20 minutes on the weekend), and had the priest either not show or show only with about 2 minutes left. I know some may say that he was called away etc…but this happens to consistently in a small parish.
  • I have been to Confession where the priest wanted me to say a longer version of Act of Contrition, and he didn’t know it…so he fumbles with his pockets and iPhone for a while before giving up completely and have me leave without it.
  • I have been to Confession where I could tell the priest seemed a little too “happy” to hear about my sexual sins.
  • I have been to Confession where the priest recognized me after about 3 weeks in a row of visiting and actually yelled at me in the Confessional to “stop it”, over a certain sin.
  • I have been to Confession where there has been zero pastoral advice, or zero penance given.
That’s only some…and I am at a point where I don’t know what to do.
Well guess what the priest is a sinner just like you - he has flaws and his own issues in life - but I can assure you Jesus is also there and hears all and forgives you - the priest is there to offer absolution after your confession - forget the priest and consider it confessing right to Jesus who as I said it there also. The priest is not perfect and that’s what you expect.We live in a flawed world where nothing is perfect - stop expecting perfection in other - you know that you can’t do it yourself so how can you expect others to be perfect. It will only lead to disappointment because we are all flawed.

If your not happy with him find another priest - I go to a different church for my confession because I like old style priests - he actually laughs sometimes during my confessions - and i love him.
 
You still receive absolution for you sins, so that is the greatest mercy! None of the rest is really about you.
It is about me actually, it’s about my soul receiving the Lord’s mercy.

I’ve laid out some heavy…heavy mortal sins before and left without a penance at all. Is that really the best thing for me?
 
It is about me actually, it’s about my soul receiving the Lord’s mercy.

I’ve laid out some heavy…heavy mortal sins before and left without a penance at all. Is that really the best thing for me?
We all must do penance. What is received from the priest in confession is some satisfaction but we all must do more penance than that. Note what the Catechism states:

Satisfaction

1459 Many sins wrong our neighbor. One must do what is possible in order to repair the harm (e.g., return stolen goods, restore the reputation of someone slandered, pay compensation for injuries). Simple justice requires as much. But sin also injures and weakens the sinner himself, as well as his relationships with God and neighbor. Absolution takes away sin, but it does not remedy all the disorders sin has caused.62 Raised up from sin, the sinner must still recover his full spiritual health by doing something more to make amends for the sin: he must “make satisfaction for” or “expiate” his sins. This satisfaction is also called “penance.”

1460 The penance the confessor imposes must take into account the penitent’s personal situation and must seek his spiritual good. It must correspond as far as possible with the gravity and nature of the sins committed. It can consist of prayer, an offering, works of mercy, service of neighbor, voluntary self-denial, sacrifices, and above all the patient acceptance of the cross we must bear. Such penances help configure us to Christ, who alone expiated our sins once for all. They allow us to become co-heirs with the risen Christ, "provided we suffer with him."63

The satisfaction that we make for our sins, however, is not so much ours as though it were not done through Jesus Christ. We who can do nothing ourselves, as if just by ourselves, can do all things with the cooperation of “him who strengthens” us. Thus man has nothing of which to boast, but all our boasting is in Christ . . . in whom we make satisfaction by bringing forth “fruits that befit repentance.” These fruits have their efficacy from him, by him they are offered to the Father, and through him they are accepted by the Father.64
 
All of what the Council of Trent says makes perfect sense to me, a Catholic, and I try to go to confession weekly. The problem is that my non-Catholic friends and relatives do not accept the Catholic Church much less the teachings of the Council of Trent. When I quote John 20:23 to them they say, “Okay, you do it your way if you want, but I am going to cut out the middle man and go directly to God.” I would like to tell them that this verse means God will not forgive your sin unless you confess it to a Priest. This thread seems to indicate differently: that God does indeed forgive you sins if you go directly to Him outside of Catholic confession. If it were not the case, most, if not all, non-Catholics are going to spend eternity in Hell which is not the teaching of the Church.
So let GOD judge them
 
What do you hear when you confess your way? Nothing. What did sinners hear when Jesus forgave their sins? Check Mark 2:5, Luke 5:20 and 7:48. In every recorded case in scripture, the sinner heard Jesus tell them that their sins were forgiven. What does James say: “Therefore, confess your sins to one anther.” What did Paul say? “If I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven it for your sake in the person of Christ.” There are several other references for the unconvinced.

It is pride that avoids confessing sin to a Priest. Sexual sin? Masturbation? Confess it! The priest has heard that sin hundreds, if not thousands of times before.
 
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