Confirmation for protestants

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Can one bare spiritual fruits without the Holy spirit? If so, what will his soul merit? If the answer is grace, is it actual or Sanctifying?
 
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OP, due to the great variance in the protestant world, there’s not one simple answer to your question. Many evangelicals believe that you receive the holy spirit when you “accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior”. And charismatic evangelical Christians believe that you may be prayed over to receive the holy spirit separately from the time when you come to believe in Jesus. And then, both Catholics and protestants alike have to grapple with the question of receiving the Holy Spirit when you were born into the church and have believed all your life. There are GREAT disagreements over how & when the Holy Spirit is received, within the Protestant world.

In Catholicism, we who were baptized as babies were baptized without our own personal consent. So the separate sacrament of confirmation gives us the chance to say yes to our original baptismal vows for ourselves, and then have someone lay hands on us and ask the Holy Spirit to seal us. It’s really very beautiful, if you think about it this way. First communion and reconciliation are two more steps we take towards God as children that strengthens his hold on us and ours on him. Faith is a journey…!
 
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OP never mentioned from the Catholic POV. Suggest reading the OP again 😇
 
The only POV that conserns me is The Church that Christ founded. That is my POV. They’re seems to be too much confusion with the heresy of other denominations. I’m not saying they are condemned, that’s Gods realm. I just want clarity on wether or not they are receiving the same sacraments as Catholics, If at all.
 
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Nicky777 said:
The only POV that conserns me is The Church that Christ founded. That is my POV. They’re seems to be too much confusion with the heresy of other denominations. I’m not saying they are condemned, that’s Gods realm. I just want clarity on wether or not they are receiving the same sacraments as Catholics, If at all.
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Catholic position on Protestant sacraments summarized (in general; there are limited, specific exceptions):
Baptism: valid, same as RCC
Marriage: valid, same as RCC
All the rest: invalid, not efficacious
 
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Actually Marriage isn’t that cut and dried…
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Neither is Baptism, if we wanted to really get into the weeds. There are obviously forms to be observed. But a Baptism properly carried out by, say, Dolph Lundgren is a valid Baptism, and a marriage properly officiated by Arnold Schwarzenegger for two validly Baptized people who are not somehow precluded from marrying is a proper marriage. But Sly Stallone could not perform any of the others, no matter how perfectly he followed the rubrics.
 
That’s a better statement of the RCC view. The qualifiers are annoying but important.
 
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That’s a better statement of the RCC view. The qualifiers are annoying but important.
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Boils down to, if performed properly, anyone can administer the two sacraments that do not require a priest and nobody but priests can administer the other five.
 
Regarding “too much confusion over the heresies of other denominations”, the confusion is very understandable. Many cradle Catholics have no idea of the kind of variety of belief and disunity that exists within the protestant world. Many assume it is monolithic and united like the Catholic world, because that is their only experience. We don’t on this forum, of course. With the endless variety of beliefs and practices in the protestant world, it is very hard to say what God does in response to their efforts. But we do have the assurance from scripture, that those who seek him with their whole heart, will find him. For me, the surest way is to find Him is through the sacraments and practices of the Catholic Church.
 
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That depends on the Anglican. Some recognize the distinction between the two Dominical sacraments, and the remaining 5, some hold to seven sacraments, tout court.
 
Greetings, replies the guy who holds the same.
 
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I am an RCIA Catholic of some 30 years. I was raised as a Southern Baptist.

The Baptist church I grew up in had a Profession of Faith, which is the equivalent of Confirmation.

I met with the Pastor, who questioned me about key teachings. If he was satisfied that I understood the concepts, I would make a profession of faith.

That consisted my standing before the congregation as the Pastor verified my understanding of the faith and my acceptance of Jesus as my savior. After that, I was baptized by full immersion in front of the entire congregation.

Baptism is referred to as an ordinance, an action done according to Jesus’ command. We showed we were being reborn, dead to the old life. I didn’t regard it as symbolic. But I don’t remember the teaching.

I don’t recall any special teaching about receiving the Holy Spirit.
 
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Catholics and Protestants receive the Holy Spirit at their baptism, as do any other Christians who have a valid baptism. This imparts “a permanent character” on every Christians soul. A Catholic prayer at the baptism of infants recalls the roles of prohpet priest, and king.

Catholics teach that they receive the Holy Spirit also at Confirmation by an anointing with the laying on of hands. Another, different permanent character on the soul. Generally related to the gifts of the Holy Spirit rather than the offices. Protestants vary widely on this. Catholics mostly look for the anointing to identify valid or invalid Confirmations.

Clergy, when they are ordained by the laying on of hands, receive the Holy Spirit for their ministry. Another indelible mark on their soul. Protestants also ordain by the laying on of hands, though opinions on validity vary.

At every Eucharist, we pray for the Holy spirit to come down upon those gathered. It transforms us into the Body of Christ. (This is separat from the prayer for the Holy Spirit to be given ro rhe church.
 
As a Christian, meaning I follow God’s scripture and not man’s tradition, I’ll give answers that are given in the word of God. Philip clearly gave instructions on when baptism is to take place.

In Acts chapter 8 verses 26 - 40 you can read directly from the source. The Holy Spirit is what guides us to seek the truth of things. The Holy Spirit was already working with the Eunuch, which is why he was reading the story of Esaias.

It is after Philip preached to the Eunuch about Jesus that the Eunuch asked what must he do in order to be baptized. Philip very clearly tells the Eunuch, “If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

Do you not think the Holy Spirit was working within the Eunuch at this point in which he believes with all his heart on Jesus when he never physically saw him? Take notice, what must be accomplished first in order to be baptized. The Eunuch must believe and have a change of heart. That is the process of being saved. Baptism is a outward symbol to show the entire world you have changed your life.

There is no such thing as baptizing babies anywhere in scripture. The act of baptism doesn’t save your soul. Did the theif on the cross get baptized? Did Jesus not tell the thief himself he would enter paradise? I would consider myself a protestant because I do protest many of the ideas and dogmas of Catholicism.

It’s a long answer but the correct answer is the Eunuch was filled with the Holy Spirit the moment he accepted Jesus as his savior. It had nothing to do with baptism.
 
I was anointed. Holy Chrism. Never seen an Anglican confirmation without it.

Of course, I haven’t seen all Anglican confirmations.
 
Don’t think there was chrism at mine. Just the laying on of hands by Bishop Duncan Gray.
 
In my Baptist denomination, no. At the time of “salvation” (i.e. basically the prayer) you receive Christ, and as part of the trinity, you receive the Holy Spirit. Also, baptism is not necessary for salvation - it is an outward sign of your salvation. Unfortunately, baptism is and has often been associated with “local church membership” and many chose not to be baptized for that reason. We could be “saved” when we were old enough to recognize you needed Christ to forgive your sins; baptism was put off until you were at least 12 or older, closer to 16. This has changed over the years. I never understood why you could rationally decide you needed salvation, but not understand baptism until you were much older. To summarize: it depends on each local independent church.
 
See? That’s why I’m so cautious about talking about Anglicans. One never knows.

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