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In case the person who posted it is still reading this, Voris’ video which has apparently been removed hardly provides excellent commentary. As usual, Voris makes some good points, but they are blown away by his condescension, his negativity, and wild accusations that he makes against the Bishops and the Church.
Anyone who has followed this situation knows that Cardinal Dolan was very conflicted about appearing at this event with President Obama, very concerned about the scandal it could present, and repeatedly asked for our prayers. Even up to a couple of days before the event, he was highly conflicted. His conclusion that Christ himself ate and drank with sinners and that he could do not less, is one that I understand completely, if, as I have noted multiple times, I still had doubts over.
To accuse Timothy Cardinal Dolan of selling out the faith is ridiculous, mean spirited, and flat out stupid. Voris could do a great deal of good if he were so inclined. Unfortunately, his own ego and bad attitude gets in the way.
The problems in the Church, and there are problems, are not going to be dealt with by grabbing an axe and swinging away at anything that moves. It is going to take a scalpel in a deft hand. We need a surgeon who will go after each problem, individually, and deal with it, and move on. The problems were not created overnight, and they will not be fixed overnight. Dolan’s job is to leave it better than he found it, which by all accounts he is doing. Is he perfect? Of course not, but I believe in the Holy Father’s trust in him and I believe he is doing his absolute best to right the ship.
Anyone who has followed this situation knows that Cardinal Dolan was very conflicted about appearing at this event with President Obama, very concerned about the scandal it could present, and repeatedly asked for our prayers. Even up to a couple of days before the event, he was highly conflicted. His conclusion that Christ himself ate and drank with sinners and that he could do not less, is one that I understand completely, if, as I have noted multiple times, I still had doubts over.
To accuse Timothy Cardinal Dolan of selling out the faith is ridiculous, mean spirited, and flat out stupid. Voris could do a great deal of good if he were so inclined. Unfortunately, his own ego and bad attitude gets in the way.
The problems in the Church, and there are problems, are not going to be dealt with by grabbing an axe and swinging away at anything that moves. It is going to take a scalpel in a deft hand. We need a surgeon who will go after each problem, individually, and deal with it, and move on. The problems were not created overnight, and they will not be fixed overnight. Dolan’s job is to leave it better than he found it, which by all accounts he is doing. Is he perfect? Of course not, but I believe in the Holy Father’s trust in him and I believe he is doing his absolute best to right the ship.
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surritter
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Indeed. This invitation to Obama was a mistake from the start. Check out the photo in the link below – do you really think it would have been wise for Germany’s most prominent bishop of the 1930s/1940s to have been seen like this next to Hitler? (Yes, I’m comparing Obama to Hitler, in that they both heartily supported the murder of innocents.)
politico.com/news/stories/1012/82612.html
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exoflare
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A little late, but yeah… What I meant is exactly what I said. If some people want to speculate that I was referring to specific people or want to put extra words in my mouth, then that’s their own problem. Not talking about you of course.
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Good for him. It’s great he’s getting a few good licks in on Obama. He seems to have a good sense of humor. I’m happy to see that he’s at least trying to get the Catholic vote, even if he’s being insincere (which I think he is somewhat). Better than Obama basically giving us Catholics the bird with his out-right support for the homosexual agenda and culture of death.
However, Obama had a ton of potential material about Romney’s Mormonism to really crack up the room.
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InLight247
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Romney is hilarious, full of good humor. Americans like good humors. This speech should give him a few points up.
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pnewton
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I thought Obama was better, though I enjoyed both. Of course, the closing remarks by Cardinal Dolan were great.
I think Obama got it better than Romney, that this was not about “getting in licks”. He took swipes at Romney and himself fairly equally.
Obama said nothing about homosexuality or abortion at the dinner, btw.
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And Romney could tell Black jokes. Yes, that would go over really well on the national stage.
Romney was way better, IMO. Obama looked slightly stiff, and as though this were too obligatory. He was more on in the 2008 jokes.
Still sickening to see the yuckity-yuck between a President being sued by the Church for violating their freedom of religious expression. I wonder what other dignitaries that have tried to bring down the Church a few levels in stature have shared such friendly dinner? Shanghai just saw a number of good Priests arrested for simply preaching the tenets of the Catholic Church (one of them served our local parish). In light of that, are the Catholic Bishops in China attending these sort of galas?
I would have thought better of the jokes if there had been more pointed references to the Supreme Court case, and the ACA’s forced funding of contraceptive services. If you are going to do this sort of thing and buddy up to people who want to force you to violate your beliefs, at least make some pointed remarks through the jokes.
Sadly, the only really jokes were told by Romney and Obama, neither a Catholic.
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The Cardinal handled the occasion beautifully, doing an excellent job of underscoring the point of the evening - Catholic charities. From Catholic New York:
*The cardinal’s most stirring remarks, however, came when he called on the two candidates to heed the vision of Al Smith, “a man of deep Catholic faith and ringing patriotism, who had a tear in his Irish eyes for what we would call the ‘uns’—the ‘uns’ of the world.”
These are, he said, the unemployed, the uninsured, the unwanted, the unwed mother, the innocent fragile unborn baby in her womb, the undocumented, the unhoused, the unhealthy, the unfed and the undereducated.
“Government, Al Smith believed, should be on the side of these ‘uns,’” Cardinal Dolan said. “But a government, he also believed, (should be) partnering with family, church, parish, neighborhood, organizations and community—never intruding or imposing since, when all is said and done, it’s in God we trust, not, ultimately, in government or politics.*
cny.org/stories/Jokes-Aside-at-Dinner-Cardinal-Dolan-Invokes-Al-Smiths-Vision-for-the-Uns-,8328
Both Republicans and Democrats would do well to pay close attention to the Cardinal’s words.
*The cardinal’s most stirring remarks, however, came when he called on the two candidates to heed the vision of Al Smith, “a man of deep Catholic faith and ringing patriotism, who had a tear in his Irish eyes for what we would call the ‘uns’—the ‘uns’ of the world.”
These are, he said, the unemployed, the uninsured, the unwanted, the unwed mother, the innocent fragile unborn baby in her womb, the undocumented, the unhoused, the unhealthy, the unfed and the undereducated.
“Government, Al Smith believed, should be on the side of these ‘uns,’” Cardinal Dolan said. “But a government, he also believed, (should be) partnering with family, church, parish, neighborhood, organizations and community—never intruding or imposing since, when all is said and done, it’s in God we trust, not, ultimately, in government or politics.*
cny.org/stories/Jokes-Aside-at-Dinner-Cardinal-Dolan-Invokes-Al-Smiths-Vision-for-the-Uns-,8328
Both Republicans and Democrats would do well to pay close attention to the Cardinal’s words.
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They won’t. The polls prove that out. It is a bit too late in the game to hope to change the President or his ilk, not that Romney is some perfect man. But the enemy of good is perfect.
Get the horror that is the current administration out of office then worry about hearts and minds once the bleeding has stopped. Evil will always exist in this world, and it needs to be restrained by human forces, given to us by God, not sung to with sweet words and soothing sounds.
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And, Obama will get kudos for his one-liners. Fact is, and we al know it, that the candidates don’t write their own jokes, but let humorous writers do that for them. I liked Obama’s self-depreciating humor myself, but both men were very good, and not to take anything away from either.
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It took me quite a while to take a position on whether the president should have been invited to this dinner. On the one hand it is surely a political event and the president is after all the leader of one party and the presence of the two most important politicians is certainly appropriate. Also, unlike O’s presence at Notre Dame where he received an honorary degree, his presence at the dinner included no award or special recognition. I also suspect there was great concern that not inviting the president would make it seem like the Church was endorsing the Republicans which is clearly not the case.
On the other hand actions should have consequences. We have heard the bishops speak for decades about various moral evils but they almost never back up their words with actions and this event strikes me as another example of do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do. If things matter, if our words and actions can be classified as moral and immoral, then our actions should reflect our beliefs. I think Cardinal Dolan had a perfect opportunity to make that point by not inviting Obama. It is time for the bishops to demonstrate that what they teach has real meaning.
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“Mitt is actually his middle name. I wish I could use my middle name.”
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Rich_Olszewski
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Though I disagree with you, the Cardinal could not disinvite the President without disinviting Romney. I think it went well and was a welcome oasis of peace and conviviality in the midst of an otherwise give-no-quarter campaign by both candidates.
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Hold onto your hat!! Rich, I agree with you.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Hold onto your hat!! Rich, I agree with you.
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He_Man
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Sure he could. He could say “if either if you has ever been sued in Federal COurt by the Catholic Church, you are not welcome. Now, have either if you?” You most certainly can discriminate on these things. There are ALWAYS reasons why people can be disqualified from events. Not saying he SHOULD have done it this way, but he could have.
Forcing religions to violate the freedom of religion tenets of this country is serious business, and unprecedented. This isn;t a normal presidency in that regard, and the old rules of “let’s put politics aside for one night” don’t apply.
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