Confiteor and Roman Canon are fading out of use

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I’ve never heard of the Nicene Creed being replaced for the Apostles Creed during Mass. I know in the GIRM it says it is an option during Easter but I’ve never seen it.
I have no idea why it would be replaced with it , the Apostles Creed is older sure; but the Nicene Creed which is actually the Niceno-Constanopolitan Creed is much more full.

If they use the Apostles to save 15 seconds, that in my mind is a serious problem. If they have some other reason I’m all ears.
 
Not everything is about shaving off time or choosing the shortest option. Sometimes options are exercised to highlight the richness and fullness of our faith, and can be useful as teaching moments, too. I’ve seen this option exercised with the creed in recent years.
 
How exactly is using a shortened form which a previous poster said was used with masses for kids enriching? I am not trying to be rude I’m really curious.
 
For one thing, the average person in the pew, if they’re making responses, often does them from rote memorization; there’s no reflection on the words. If you change it up now and again, there’s cause to stop and think, even if that just means I need to read a different page today to say the right thing - you’re planting a seed. It invites curiosity and questions; it gives them a reason to dig deeper.

When I first came to this website, for instance, there were more questions along the lines of “xyz happened at Mass today, and I’ve never seen that. Can anyone tell me why?” It was almost always a legitimate option and an opportunity for the poster to learn. It’s amazing the effect a pebble can have making ripples on a pond of thought.
 
Okay fine; but what I’m not understanding is , isn’t the Missal the same worldwide?
How does Canada just say the Apostles Creed every week when the Missal says it is optional during Eastertide?
I know countries have different Holy Days of Obligation and can have slightly more or less saints they choose to celebrate at a national level but the core of the missal and the GIRM, besides the appendix which only applies to U.S. on things like the reception of both species of communion; besides that the Missal is same wherever you go. Of course in different languages so in Canada it would be English and French depending where you are. But it is all the same Missal.
Saying the Apostles Creed every week and never saying the Nicene Creed goes against the Missal and hence would be an act of disobedience.
 
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isn’t the Missal the same worldwide?
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No, it isn’t. Nearly every country’s conference of bishops has their own adaptations. That’s how we ended up in the US kneeling so long while the rest of the world doesn’t.
 
IIRC the Apostles Creed was more commonly used before the new English translation of the Mass. I haven’t heard the AC since 2011. But it appears others have.
 
Around here, i never remember the apostles Creed being used much at all.
 
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Prodigal1984:
How does Canada just say the Apostles Creed every week when the Missal says it is optional during Eastertide?
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By indult.
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I do remember a teacher at St. Paul University telling us back in 2001 that Canada had had an indult to use the Apostles Creed for decades. I asked why it had been requested and he really couldn’t tell me. He theorized that it was because it was the Creed that most people knew when Mass started being celebrated in the vernacular but that was just a guess. I’ve recited the Niceness Creed more often in French than in English.
 
Here’s a bit of backstory concerning the Apostle’s Creed. The source is “The Reform of the Liturgy, 1948-1974” by Abp. Annibale Bugnini. The question came up during the preparation of the “normative Mass” that was to form the basis of the new Roman Missal (i.e. a typical parish Sunday Mass).
  1. Apostle"s Creed: According to the votes at the Synod (my note: the 1967 Synod of bishops) and in the Consilium, it would seem appropriate to accept the suggestion that the Holy See grant the conferences that have requested it permission to use the Apostle’s Creed in cases of special need (21)
Footnote 21: This point had already been studied and given a favorable answer by the Consilium in April 1964, when it set down the criteria for confirmation of decisions of the episcopal conferences, The possibility of also using the Apostle’s Creed had been accepted especially for congregations made up chiefly of illiterate people, people of little education, and children. For theological and ecumenical reasons, the Pope had wanted the Nicene-Constantinople Creed to be kept. But some conferences kept asking.

The question that the Consilium had raised with the Pope on September 18, 1967 was presented to the Synod, which showed itself in favour of the concession…
…The outcome was that the conferences requesting it were allowed the use of the Apostle’s Creed, with the proviso that the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed be also printed in the Missals. The permission was given in a general way for Masses with children.
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Cor_ad_Cor said:
Agree. EP IV is the one around here fading out of use. Sad, too. It was one of my favorites (at least in the pre-2011 translation; haven’t heard it enough in the current to say).
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Same here, in regards to the pre-2011 translation. The current English translation of EP IV translation isn’t as moving to me as the pre-2011 version.

Currently, my favorite Eucharistic Prayer in English is the Eucharistic Prayer for Reconciliation I, whenever a priest prays this Eucharistic prayer at Mass (usually during Lent) it moves me close to tears. It’s that powerful of a prayer for me.

My next favorite Eucharistic Prayer (post-2011) is the Eucharistic Prayer for Various Needs III. It’s such a beautifully written prayer, I wish it was used more often during Mass.
 
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Here’s a bit of backstory concerning the Apostle’s Creed. The source is “The Reform of the Liturgy, 1948-1974” by Abp. Annibale Bugnini. The question came up during the preparation of the “normative Mass” that was to form the basis of the new Roman Missal (i.e. a typical parish Sunday Mass).
  1. Apostle"s Creed: According to the votes at the Synod (my note: the 1967 Synod of bishops) and in the Consilium, it would seem appropriate to accept the suggestion that the Holy See grant the conferences that have requested it permission to use the Apostle’s Creed in cases of special need (21)
Footnote 21: This point had already been studied and given a favorable answer by the Consilium in April 1964, when it set down the criteria for confirmation of decisions of the episcopal conferences, The possibility of also using the Apostle’s Creed had been accepted especially for congregations made up chiefly of illiterate people, people of little education, and children. For theological and ecumenical reasons, the Pope had wanted the Nicene-Constantinople Creed to be kept. But some conferences kept asking.

The question that the Consilium had raised with the Pope on September 18, 1967 was presented to the Synod, which showed itself in favour of the concession…
…The outcome was that the conferences requesting it were allowed the use of the Apostle’s Creed, with the proviso that the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed be also printed in the Missals. The permission was given in a general way for Masses with children.
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So what you’re implying in an indirect way is that the Canadian bishops chose to use the Apostles’ Creed over the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed because they felt that there were too many illiterate Catholics and Catholics of little education in Canada to make the recitation of the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed workable in a regular parish Mass. 😉
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I wouldn’t presume to be able to read the minds of the bishops 😉

That said, until the early 60´s, rural Quebec was poor and relatively uneducated, with large families with sometimes a dozen children. That has since changed considerably.

Plus there were many missions to aboriginal populations that spoke little French or English. Again, something that is no longer the case.

Perhaps now the reason is to read and feed with speed in under 50 minutes. (being facetious… not sure which emoji to use for that!)
 
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I very rarely hear the Apostles Creed in Canada where we’ve been using the Nicene Creed for centuries.
 
VictoriaAdAeternam said:
I very rarely hear the Apostles Creed in Canada where we’ve been using the Nicene Creed for centuries.
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It seems to be all we use in our diocese and in most of the parishes I’ve visited in other provinces while on holidays. Granted I haven’t been to every parish across the country.
 
I noticed that the place where I moved to they never say it either (been to a few churches near me)… seems like the more liberal priests try to avoid it. Maybe it makes the parish uncomfortable to think of themselves as sinners. Idk but I’m still trying to find a decent church near me. Wish me luck!
 
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