Conflicts sway world of fashion- Muslim-ization' of Women's Fashion

[BryPGuy89]

Cyber Knight:

TO : PRO UNIVERSAL

Are you having a menstrual syndrom lately? look you always against everyone’s opinion. Hey… remember, muslim, we are not muslims so we are free to speak our opinions. We do not laughing on that your sisters are wearing (although I think that is so funny) we do not asking them to take off the burka or hijab or whatever you may call it this yardages of fabric. we do not insult a muslimah by discussing about muslimization…we are juts expressing our opinions here!! cant you get it? no! of course not.

Why are you so annoying with what we are discussing here? why do you always wanted to become saint without even being fair to the catholics here. Wherever we talked about islam, you always there. Where the hell are you when we are dicussing about protestant? you cannot be there huh because you are a muslim. stop lying first, then people might considered you to be an honest person rather than just whining you are catholic all the time.

For starters I thought this was suppose to be a Christian forum. Friendly and open to people and their beleifs. Many here though often attack Muslims and the Islamic faith. Then they get angry and turn on those who defend or ask why they target Islam. There is a difference from making fun of something and sharing your opinions.
Pro Universal, not being fair to Catholics? Please you people put shame to the Catholic faith. You openly and one sidedly attack the Islamic faith, which is against the Church, Her teachings, and above all Jesus’ will.
The oppressed and attacked need defenders more then the accepted. Why discuss the protestants when they’re not so attacked as the Muslims.
I for one have been very active in the protestant threads and use them often to make my points, which inJesus would know. I am not a Muslim and would never consider being one, but I accept them as a people and live the way God/Jesus has told us to do, in loving and respect to others.
I have to ask how do you defend your attacks on Muslims, when it is contradictory to the Bible, the Church, and the teachings of Jesus?

 

[BryPGuy89]

inJESUS:

more conservative dress? no…i call it muslim dress…coz hiding the hair or the ankle or the arm is not modesty but obsession.

Nuns choose to dress like that. Women in the older days that were religious dressed like that. Muslim women outside of the Islamic countries choose to continue to dress like that, it is not opression, it is a moral choice that they know is more apprpriate.

 

[inJESUS]

BryPGuy89:

Nuns choose to dress like that. Women in the older days that were religious dressed like that. Muslim women outside of the Islamic countries choose to continue to dress like that, it is not opression, it is a moral choice that they know is more apprpriate.

here you are again saying Jesus does/does not allow when you showed that you havent read the Bible yourself…Jesus said no to false teachings…we say no as well to islam not muslims.

Nuns chose to and nuns differ…you are not comparing nuns to muslimas are you?? not all of them cover themselves like muslimas …religious women covered and other women? yea sure…and they also fear that someone might see their ankle or hair… give us a break…we are all pro-modesty…islamic outfit is not about modesty but fear…just look at muslimas who keep adjusting their veil in fear that some hair might pop out…thats not modesty…you dont have to look like a tent to be modest do you?

 

[BryPGuy89]

StMarkEofE:

Sounds like a lot of westerners would feel very comfortable living under the Muslim Sharia law. The only problem is once your stuck with this law your are stuck and it is extremely hard to reverse it. The cost of freedom includes some elements that are not to our liking but as we have seen the western form of democratic republicanism has worked pretty well so far even with its pitfalls but to trash this freedom to hide ones body parts seems a little too extreme for me. No thanks.

What has worked well with democracy?

 

[BryPGuy89]

StMarkEofE:

What I get a kick out of is when a Muslim women (somewhere in the northeast part of the U.S.) fought to keep her burka on when having here drivers licence taken. What was even more interesting were the lawyers lining up to defend her request.
Of course she lost out but even the thought floored me.

Why?

 

[StMarkEofE]

inJESUS:

here you are again saying Jesus does/does not allow when you showed that you havent read the Bible yourself…Jesus said no to false teachings…we say no as well to islam not muslims.

Nuns chose to and nuns differ…you are not comparing nuns to muslimas are you?? not all of them cover themselves like muslimas …religious women covered and other women? yea sure…and they also fear that someone might see their ankle or hair… give us a break…we are all pro-modesty…islamic outfit is not about modesty but fear…just look at muslimas who keep adjusting their veil in fear that some hair might pop out…thats not modesty…you dont have to look like a tent to be modest do you?

Personally, and I think I may be correct here, but wearing the Burkas is not so much for female modesty as it is for keeping Muslim men’s minds and desires out of the gutter. They see a scantily clad miss on the streets here in the west and they blame the women for having impure thoughts without any effort on their part to rid themselves of these (name removed by moderator)ure thoughts. I also understand that the male is NOT responsible for impure thoughts but the responsibility of the women to be properly clad. Another reason for the Burkas.

 

[StMarkEofE]

BryPGuy89:

Why?

which why do you want answered?

 

[StMarkEofE]

BryPGuy89:

What has worked well with democracy?

Are you serious? Or do you live in a cave?

 

[BryPGuy89]

inJESUS:

here you are again saying Jesus does/does not allow when you showed that you havent read the Bible yourself…Jesus said no to false teachings…we say no as well to islam not muslims.

Nuns chose to and nuns differ…you are not comparing nuns to muslimas are you?? not all of them cover themselves like muslimas …religious women covered and other women? yea sure…and they also fear that someone might see their ankle or hair… give us a break…we are all pro-modesty…islamic outfit is not about modesty but fear…just look at muslimas who keep adjusting their veil in fear that some hair might pop out…thats not modesty…you dont have to look like a tent to be modest do you?

I have time and again said this one false teaching is no different then the 300,00 others that have popped up under the name of God. Their teachings are as false as many protestant religions. Some in differ areas. I have a decent comprehension of the teachings of the Bible and what I don’t know I go to the Church for answers.

I have known and have heard many testimonies of women who preffer to wear the clothing of their faith. I don’t know where you got this info from about it being about fear. The thing about the women fighting to not remove her head cover for her picture is a perfect example. Many Muslim women take pride in the clothing they wear. It is not usually forced upon them and when given the choise not to wear their traditional clothing they choose to anyway.

 

[BryPGuy89]

StMarkEofE:

which why do you want answered?

Why is it funny that a women would want to wear her traditional clothing for her picture and was forced to by the government not too. I thought we were the land of the free. This is why I don’t trust in the “freedom”, it is to flexible and has always been side to the majority groups and attacks and lessens other.
How can you find it funny that a women would defend her way of life to the point of taking it to court?
What if a nun wanted a picture and was ask to be in regular clothes and not traditional and she didn’t want to travel and what not like that, but in her religious outfit? She was fighting for somthing she wanted and thought was right, what is funny about that?

 

[BryPGuy89]

StMarkEofE:

Are you serious? Or do you live in a cave?

I’m very serious, I can’t think of one good thing that doesn’t have hundreds of negatives in the long run.

 

[StMarkEofE]

BryPGuy89:

What has worked well with democracy?

Lets see here ahhh, how about:

Freedom of religion
Freedom of assembly
Freedom from unwarranted search and ceasure
Freedom of speech
Freedom of the press
Freedom to vote
Freedom to … etc.

Now we are not perfect by a long shot ( what human is? ) but it is the best form of government for my money. If our democracy is so useless why do we have trouble keeping people out of our country and each year visa applications are in the 100’s of thousands. We cant be all that bad.

 

[inJESUS]

StMarkEofE:

Are you serious? Or do you live in a cave?

He is muslim.

 

[StMarkEofE]

inJESUS:

He is muslim.

Time has a way of improving wisdom.

 

[inJESUS]

I have time and again said this one false teaching is no different then the 300,00 others that have popped up under the name of God. Their teachings are as false as many protestant religions. Some in differ areas. I have a decent comprehension of the teachings of the Bible and what I don’t know I go to the Church for answers.

the thread is about islam if you havent noticed.

I have known and have heard many testimonies of women who preffer to wear the clothing of their faith. I don’t know where you got this info from about it being about fear.

coz i live with them?

The thing about the women fighting to not remove her head cover for her picture is a perfect example. Many Muslim women take pride in the clothing they wear.

no dear …adjusting the veil a thousand time is not pride but obsession and fear.

It is not usually forced upon them and when given the choise not to wear their traditional clothing they choose to anyway

depends if the country follows sharia or not…you have great freedom in SA or Iran or afghanistan right?

 

[BryPGuy89]

StMarkEofE:

Lets see here ahhh, how about:

Freedom of religion
Freedom of assembly
Freedom from unwarranted search and ceasure
Freedom of speech
Freedom of the press
Freedom to vote
Freedom to … etc.

Now we are not perfect by a long shot ( what human is? ) but it is the best form of government for my money. If our democracy is so useless why do we have trouble keeping people out of our country and each year visa applications are in the 100’s of thousands. We cant be all that bad.

Religion, allow Satanism to flurish, protected by the government for one.
Assembly, those often turn out bad, riots, fights, and what not.
Bush doesn’t even beleive in the search and ceasures thing.
Speech, yes now we can bad talk anyone we want and offend people under the protection of the government.
Now we have a secular press who can write anything they want as long as it has some basic truth to it.
Peopl barely vote now because of the fact of our democratic government and all the failings of the presidents in the past and no good ones for the present or future.

I myself like the idea of a monarchy. Leadership given by God, appointed by His Church and does the leadership through a moral standards, and if that doesn’t happen he looses his mandate of Heaven and thus no longer ahs his authority and the Church crowns a more compident leader and the latter becomes a normal individual. As long as the basic rights of life and religion are given by the monarch, then God bless the monarchy.
You are aware that almost every immigrant into the U.S. is coming from a democratic counrty, almost all, do you know that? It can’t be all that you seem to think it is.

 

[inJESUS]

Why is it funny that a women would want to wear her traditional clothing for her picture and was forced to by the government not too.

donno about the normal veil…but a face picture is a face picture not a burqa one…faces identify people, burqas no.

How can you find it funny that a women would defend her way of life to the point of taking it to court?

she can wear whatever she wants but a picture is a picture…thats the law…

What if a nun wanted a picture and was ask to be in regular clothes and not traditional and she didn’t want to travel and what not like that, but in her religious outfit? She was fighting for somthing she wanted and thought was right, what is funny about that?

is it haram for a nun to show her face or hair?

 

[StMarkEofE]

BryPGuy89:

Why is it funny that a women would want to wear her traditional clothing for her picture and was forced to by the government not too. I thought we were the land of the free. This is why I don’t trust in the “freedom”, it is to flexible and has always been side to the majority groups and attacks and lessens other.
How can you find it funny that a women would defend her way of life to the point of taking it to court?
What if a nun wanted a picture and was ask to be in regular clothes and not traditional and she didn’t want to travel and what not like that, but in her religious outfit? She was fighting for somthing she wanted and thought was right, what is funny about that?

Now your being funny. Can you see police trying in vain to compare the licence photo with the owner. This photo could be a match for thousands of women wearing Burkas. How would you know who you are dealing with? Huh?

Im not making fun of the women but Muslim women do drive and need the correct requirements inorder to be legal to drive. Im sure you cannot see this do you? Or if you do, you are being slightly rediculous in your argument. But should we westerners be surprised by this? You live in a contradictory world when you come out with “logic” like this. Im sure that most women given the chance to shed the Burkas would do so, but you and I know that this choice would never be given to the women of your world.

 

[BryPGuy89]

inJESUS:

He is muslim.

I’m not Muslim nor is Pro Universal that is lying for one. It is rude to attack to individuals who do the Church’s will and follow the teachings of their faith. You can call me what ever you want, but I don’t have to worry about what you say, I know the truth and so does God. I could call you a Hindu, but I know Hindis with more appropriate behavior and opinions. It means nothing to lie about the faith of an individual.

 

[BryPGuy89]

inJESUS:

the thread is about islam if you havent noticed.
coz i live with them?
no dear …adjusting the veil a thousand time is not pride but obsession and fear.

depends if the country follows sharia or not…you have great freedom in SA or Iran or afghanistan right?

Ok, but you address them as an evil false teaching group, when you have so many others, why do you so maliciously target them , regardless of the subject of the thread. I understand this is about Islamic clothing, but you sound so unwantingly biased toward Islam more than the others.
Ok you live with them, have you had 50% of the women there come to you and say I wear this clothing and wear it correctly out of fear? I’ll admit i don’t have a cultural experience with people in their Muslim countries, but I have seen and met plenty in America who choose and want to wear such things, I have seen often Muslim women fight for the right to wear their traditional clothing. When I’m in my Alphas I wear them correctly always adjusting them and what not to correctly show off the uniform I’m proud to wear. I’m not in fear of an officers punishment, I do it for self satisification.