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Here is my question, I have been raised as a catholic but becamed lapsed in my 20’s I really want to get back into the church but I am having a hard time since my personal beliefs are in total contrast to the churches beliefs. So what do I do? Do I give up on it? I know that I won’t change my beliefs so does this mean I can’t have a realtionship with God?
 
Hello Deidre welcome to the forums 🙂

You already have a relationship with God…any relationship is what we make it! He loves you and my suggestion is to pray and talk to God.
God knows the sincerity of your heart

I shall say a prayer for you.

In the meantime read some passages in the bible and seek answers to your questions. Speak with your priest about your feelings.I am sure he will be able to help you.

God bless you 🙂
 
That is part of the problem 😦 I still have a realtionship with God, just no longer with the church… The last priest I talked to (years ago mind you) said that a true catholic wouldn’t hold the beliefs I did. So that kind of made me turn my back on the church.
 
That is part of the problem 😦 I still have a realtionship with God, just no longer with the church… The last priest I talked to (years ago mind you) said that a true catholic wouldn’t hold the beliefs I did. So that kind of made me turn my back on the church.
In the end, it’s more than a priest or a chuch, it’s what’s in your heart, the way you have lived your life, and your personal relationship with Christ.
 
I am so sorry to hear this Deidre

Of course I do not know your beliefs but I do know God loves you and He knows the sincerity of your heart.

I would hope you can find a new priest to talk to about your concerns about the catholic church.

Write a list of the things you have concerns about and when you make an appointment to speak with a priest take your list along and ask him for his advice.

The problem with these anonymous internet forums is someone may lead you the wrong way or give you misleading information.

All I know is we are all human and make mistakes…me I make many! So that goes too for all people in life. Priests and religious are human too and make mistakes.

They are not the catholic church though…we all are…we are what makes the Catholic Church.

I hope you get to speak with a priest
 
Why do you want to get back to the Church if you don’t share Her beliefs? What is it that attracts you to Her?
 
Here is my question, I have been raised as a catholic but becamed lapsed in my 20’s I really want to get back into the church but I am having a hard time since my personal beliefs are in total contrast to the churches beliefs. So what do I do? Do I give up on it? I know that I won’t change my beliefs so does this mean I can’t have a realtionship with God?
No, don’t give up on it. Obviously there has been much going through your life during the time of the lapse that was not of Catholic faith. Those certainly have an influence on your life, way of thinking and belief. However the fact that you are asking this question here shows that there is still some ties to the Church and perhaps that is very dear to you, even subconsciously. My advice would be to give it a try.

The Catholic Church has been in existence since the beginning of Christianity, there is certainly something there that people continue to believe. I suggest you seek that knowledge about the Church and try to be more objective. Like, what is the reason for me to stay away from the Church? Was it due to somebody whom I associated with it that failed me? Have I misunderstood the teaching and the belief of the Church? Am I certain this belief which I disagree with really the doctrine of the Church?

In other word, give it a soul searching and an examination of yourself and ponder the direction of your life at the present moment. Why are you what you are today and not different? Some of these questions may help but you have to be honest too with your answers.

Talking to the priest probably is not your solution right now since you had a negative experience with the clergy. But take courage and seek true knowledge of the Church and maybe later if you feel up to it, you can have a word with a friendly priest. Do you know anyone in the Church who are practicing Catholics? You can talk to them casually; you never know, you may be able to gauge something even from a small effort like that.

God bless you.

Reuben
 
You came to the right place, there is a lot of information here.

You are not alone in your confusion, and many people here and in this world have worked through similar thoughts and beliefs.

I liked to (and still do) go sit in a church alone, just me and God.

With regard to what the priest said - don’t get discouraged, just keep asking questions (try a different priest).

Take care.
 
Well Joe, I want to go back to the church becaue I miss it and I do follow a lot of the beliefs. Howevere I am (gasp) a liberal democrat and the church I once belonged to really made me feel that I could not be a good catholic due to my polital beliefs. Yes, I believe in a womans right to chose and other hotly debated topics. For the simple fact that I was taught as a child, in catholic school no less, that God is the only true judge and we should never judge others. I took this to heart. I guess what has turned me off from church is the fact that politics exist there at all.
Reuben J, thank you for your words. I will take them to heart. i have recently moved to a new state and not yet been to a church out here.
 
Here is my question, I have been raised as a catholic but becamed lapsed in my 20’s I really want to get back into the church but I am having a hard time since my personal beliefs are in total contrast to the churches beliefs. So what do I do? Do I give up on it? I know that I won’t change my beliefs so does this mean I can’t have a realtionship with God?
Don’t give up.

You’re 20 something now? I’m 50 something. I used to roll my eyes when my mother (now 80 something) would tell me that if I had changed my mind on something, I could change it again. Sure, maybe little things I would say to her. But big things? Once I, a college graduate, had become convinced that what I formerly believed was wrong? How could I possibly change ‘back’ and go from what I was now certain was right?

30 years pass. Welcome to "things we thought were wrong weren’t really wrong’.

You’re too young to remember but back in the 1980s we were told that eggs were absolutely the worst thing in the world. LADEN with cholesterol. Nutritional nightmare. The news channels ran all kinds of ‘scientific’ interviews with world-reknowned nutritionists showing the data, the ‘proven data’.

So it’s 2012. Eggs are ‘good guys’. Turns out all the proven science was . . .wait for it. . .wrong.

I won’t go on (but I could) about everything from coffee (bad, good, bad, good) to children sleeping on stomach (bad), back (bad), side (bad). . .that could flip flop in just a couple of years. Meanwhile, each time "science proves’ that ‘sleeping on the stomach causes crib death (SIDS)’ hundreds of thousands of conscientious parents made SURE their children slept on their back, only to hear a short time later, “Sleeping on the BACK causes crib death”. . .

We were told that the pill opened us women to ‘consequence free sex’ (yay, just like the men). . .we weren’t told that they also opened us up to STDs, increased risk of gallbladder disease, increased risk of stroke, increased risk of PID (pelvic inflammatory disease often leading to sterility).

No matter what, you could find a study that said that “X” was good and then sooner or later you’d be told “X” was bad.

So --my mother was right. (by the time I was wise enough to accept this, I no longer was so supremely self-righteous that I couldn’t acknowledge I had been wrong myself.)

IOW – you can explore what you are told by experts and you can come to a conclusion that seems totally proven ‘correct’–and find out later that the experts were wrong and the data you used were fatally flawed. The decision you made as ‘right’ you would NOT have made had you been aware you were using that fatally flawed data.

Many of the Church’s teachings that we THINK are totally in conflict with our well-reasoned belief choices really aren’t that much in conflict. We might THINK that our path is more ‘just’ and ‘loving’ because we have been told that our ‘data’ is right and the Church’s data is wrong’. . .but if we knew that data we were told was wrong, we might take a good hard second look and see the Church was trying, and succeeding, in doing what we thought we could do ‘better’ by doing wrongly. Social justice, for example. Great concept, the Church is certainly for it. . .but while we sneer at its supposedly ‘backward approach’ to women, take a good long look (I’ve been doing it for nearly 40 years now, pretty much from my teens onward) and see if what ‘science says’ about ‘what women need, want, etc’ has done the job it claims. Because if the ‘rational scientific modern view’ is directly opposed to "Church teaching’, and if it has resulted in women being less safe, less honored, less ‘happy’, less fulfilled etc., then maybe the Church isn’t as ‘wrong’ as some claim.

Remember, the Church does NOT say that married women 'can’t work outside the home. It doesn’t say that “the husband is always right”. It doesn’t say, “You must have a gazillion babies.” It doesn’t say, "If marriage turns dangerous for the woman and children, tough, you’re stuck."


**Etc. **
There is a lot of misinformation out there. Been there, seen that.

Keep an open mind that even the best ‘experts’ out there can get it wrong, sometimes tragically so. Again, the Church doesn’t try to tell you what society should be: “Monachy!” “Republic”, “utopian”. It speaks infallibly only on faith and morals . . .it doesn’t let people use their infinite capacity to find a loophole because, “but MY circumstances are SPECIAL”. Modern experts will let you do that, and then stand by and claim that anything that doesn’t work out isn’t because they gave you rotten advice, but because YOU must have done it wrong.

Imagine. Experts are in a win-win situation. If things work out, it was ‘their good advice’. If they don’t, “You didn’t do it right”. You won’t hear from THEM that they were wrong. In fact, in the many cases where they were proven wrong, the SILENCE is deafening. They ignore it and try to send the people off on the next self proclaimed 'road to perfection as given by EXPERTS", knowing that if they line the ‘road’ with enough bling and hype, people will be drawn to it. Sound byte culture means something ‘wrong’ is ‘yesterday’s news’, not even worth a glance. . .

Just offering you a little advice but you’ll probably have to live a few more years to see it first hand. Experience is a good teacher but I hope it will treat you relatively gently and guide you ‘home.’

God bless.
 
Here is my question, I have been raised as a catholic but becamed lapsed in my 20’s I really want to get back into the church but I am having a hard time since my personal beliefs are in total contrast to the churches beliefs. So what do I do? Do I give up on it? I know that I won’t change my beliefs so does this mean I can’t have a realtionship with God?
With God, all things are possible. Love is a decision, and we must be willing even to change ourselves - not for our own sake, but for the sake of the one we love. Jesus calls each of us to: 1) deny our very selves, 2) take up our crosses, and only then, 3) to follow Him (Matthew 16:24, Luke 9:23). Some of us tend to reverse this order and things suffer for it. If you think that your beliefs are against Church teaching, the first thing to ensure is that you know the truth of Church teaching. I can heartily recommend Catholicism for Dummies. It is an excellent, easily read and understood guide to the teaching and practices of the Catholic faith. You might be surpsied to learn that the Church’s teachings are not what you think. Each of us has denied ourselves in many cases in order to follow Christ. I had to change several long-held beliefs. Once I read the reasons behind Church teaching, I was aware that my earlier beliefs were not well-advised. Do give it a look.
 
In the end, it’s more than a priest or a chuch, it’s what’s in your heart, the way you have lived your life, and your personal relationship with Christ.
I must point out that Christ founded a Church as an integral part of our relationship with Him. He gave that Church all authority - knowing full well what she would do with it. But, we must not think of the Church as some organization or corporation, but as the world-wide body of believers.
 
Here is my question, I have been raised as a catholic but becamed lapsed in my 20’s I really want to get back into the church but I am having a hard time since my personal beliefs are in total contrast to the churches beliefs. So what do I do? Do I give up on it? I know that I won’t change my beliefs so does this mean I can’t have a realtionship with God?
A load of great advice already…and I echo the others…do not give up…

I have one question…What have you done to learn more about WHY the Church teaches as she does?

This is an extremely important question because, while the Church respects the rights of conscience, she also insists that it be a well formed conscience and that requires more than just making the declaration that your personal beliefs are in total contrast to the Church’s beliefs…
The Church does not simply pull a teaching out of a hat. Much thought goes into these mattes, much discussion and research. As a result, most all teachings have a plethora of writings available explaining the why of a particular teaching.

This is a wonderful place to ask for guidance on where your views conflict with the Church teaching. Folks here will be happy to point you to the pertinent parts of the Catechism, to Vatican II and earlier documents and to various encyclicals etc. so that you can read for yourself the wonderful logic the Church uses in coming to her teachings.

In closing, I would ask you to remember that it is God who is calling you back to the Church…just as he called me…(and I had my own issues to overcome). :whistle:
But in calling us back, he is inviting us to conform our minds to His and he speaks through the Church…
So I simply ask you to do what I did…doubt a bit of your own correctness and give the Church a chance to explain her teachings to you. She just might surprise you…

Peace
James
 
I know that I won’t change my beliefs so does this mean I can’t have a realtionship with God?
Hmmm… :confused: How do you KNOW this? Do you believe that you’re bigger than God and that there is no way on earth that God can change your heart even if you aren’t expecting Him to? When it comes to God, don’t ever say what you will or won’t do, because He’s been known to work on some pretty tough cases (me being one of them for sure!)!

My suggestion is to keep it all in prayer. Ask God to open your heart to the TRUTH no matter what your opposing beliefs are right now. I, too, will pray for you!
 
We are on a marathon, not a sprint. So it is critical to really think of your struggles and questions. Write them down, and then bring them here. Simultaneously, search out a Catholic Church near you. This way, you will have online support as well as a face-to-face community. Allow God’s grace to work in you. Keep searching, asking questions, and posting. If we are are clay in the hands of the Divine Potter, amazing things can happen.
 
That is part of the problem 😦 I still have a realtionship with God, just no longer with the church… The last priest I talked to (years ago mind you) said that a true catholic wouldn’t hold the beliefs I did. So that kind of made me turn my back on the church.
It sounds an awful lot like you are hanging on to “being right” to the detriment of your relationship with Christ. As difficult as this may be to hear, that is simply arrogant. Ever hear the phrase, “let go, and let God”? This is what that was talking about. Yes, you can have a relationship with God if you don’t believe everythingthe Church teaches. But you can’t really have a Cathiolic relationship with Him until you put such selfishness away and give everything over to Him. Otherwise, how healthy can a relationship be if one party obstinetly says “I won’t change”? Christ loves us beyond anything we can compare, andif we’re serious about loving Him back, we won’t hesitate to give over our entire selves to him, no matter how humiliating it might be to face your friends after changing your position on certain issues, no matter how gut wrencing it may be to lose friends (or family!) when they fell like you’ve betrayed them by changing (you haven’t betrayed them, but they may be very hurt when you tell them that your beliefs, that your love for Christ doesn’t match with what makes them feel good).

Long story short, you have to let go of that prideful streak that is hardening your heart.

You could lose it all. It may feel like it’s too much. It’s not too much for Christ. His arms are spread one the Cross, waiting to shelter you. He gave all for us…can we really be okay in giving Him less?
 
Well Joe, I want to go back to the church becaue I miss it and I do follow a lot of the beliefs. Howevere I am (gasp) a liberal democrat and the church I once belonged to really made me feel that I could not be a good catholic due to my polital beliefs. Yes, I believe in a womans right to chose and other hotly debated topics. For the simple fact that I was taught as a child, in catholic school no less, that God is the only true judge and we should never judge others. I took this to heart. I guess what has turned me off from church is the fact that politics exist there at all.
Reuben J, thank you for your words. I will take them to heart. i have recently moved to a new state and not yet been to a church out here.
I converted to Catholicism fairly recently. Growing up very anti-Catholic, I resented the authority that the Church claimed. My democracy-oriented mind made me want to “be my own pope” so to speak. Once I understood that Christ Himself founded the Church, then recognition of the Church as my ultimate earthly authority flowed from there. See Romans 13, 1-2. Indeed, my relationship with God is a personal one, but the Church, through the sacraments, nourishes and enriches that relationship through Her authority.

Finally, please recall the difference between judging one’s heart and salvation versus calling sin for what it is. Yes, judgement of the soul is reserved for God, but we Christians have a duty to stand against sin, especially among fellow Christians. See Matthew 18, 15-17. Those who give approval to sin practice the sin with the sinner. See Romans 1, 29-32.
 
Here is my question, I have been raised as a catholic but becamed lapsed in my 20’s I really want to get back into the church but I am having a hard time since my personal beliefs are in total contrast to the churches beliefs. So what do I do? Do I give up on it? I know that I won’t change my beliefs so does this mean I can’t have a realtionship with God?
I am not trying to be snarky or put you off. This is an honest question (or three :doh2:):

How do you know that your beliefs are true? If that doesn’t matter and you want to hold on to them because they are your beliefs, then your motives for having those particular beliefs has less to do with the truth and more to do with some emotional commitment to them. Shouldn’t truth be the ultimate reason why we believe anything? Should we not believe in whatever we believe because it is demonstrably true and the way it really is, not because we want it to be so?
 
The phrase, “I have a relationship with God but not the Church,” is very common in our time. Take the question one step further, “Where does the Church come from?” If the Church is from God, then you should want to be a part of it. Moreover, if the Church is from God, no force, internal or external, can ever destroy it. If the Church is not from God, it is a matter of time until it ends. Let this be a starting point for your journey.
Obviously, the Church is 2000 years old with well over one billion members. It is not going anywhere. That is an indication the Church is from God. and provides a good foundation for your journey.
 
Well Joe, I want to go back to the church becaue I miss it and I do follow a lot of the beliefs. Howevere I am (gasp) a liberal democrat and the church I once belonged to really made me feel that I could not be a good catholic due to my polital beliefs. Yes, I believe in a womans right to chose and other hotly debated topics. For the simple fact that I was taught as a child, in catholic school no less, that God is the only true judge and we should never judge others. I took this to heart. I guess what has turned me off from church is the fact that politics exist there at all.
Reuben J, thank you for your words. I will take them to heart. i have recently moved to a new state and not yet been to a church out here.
There is a book that can help you in your search for re-union with the Church. Please don’t be offended by the title, but it really explains the Catholic Church. Its’ title is “Catholicism for dummies” you should seek out. It explains many things that you may have missed when you were learning about the faith as a child. You can find a good used copy very cheaply on addall.com.
In addition, you really seek out a priest and have a long talk with him. Just call or go to any Rectory or Parish office and make an appointment. If you can find a Church/Parish that has Jesuit, Dominican, Benedictine, or Franciscan priests, all the better. They will not be judgmental but will help you resolve your doubts and reservations.
G*d Bless and keep you!@
 
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