Congressman goes berserk

[stanmaxkolbe]

All I’m going to say the young college students didn’t know and are not trained.

That’s assault if the guy would have grabbed me his butt would have been on the ground. Anyone can talk garbage in my face I’ll even let them point their finger in my face but once someone touches me without my permission—that’s it baby I go into defensive mode and take away the threat.

I’ll tell you I’m the first guy to run from a fight! People that fight are stupid not unless they’re a paid boxer or something. You take professional military they don’t fight they take out the enemy. I just wanted to make it clear I do not believe in violence.

You know darn well if those students would have grabbed him he would have had them arrested for assault—I hope they press charges on this punk.

 

[Sabda]

All I’m going to say the young college students didn’t know and are not trained.

That’s assault if the guy would have grabbed me his butt would have been on the ground. Anyone can talk garbage in my face I’ll even let them point their finger in my face but once someone touches me without my permission—that’s it baby I go into defensive mode and take away the threat.

I’ll tell you I’m the first guy to run from a fight! People that fight are stupid not unless they’re a paid boxer or something. You take professional military they don’t fight they take out the enemy. I just wanted to make it clear I do not believe in violence.

You know darn well if those students would have grabbed him he would have had them arrested for assault—I hope they press charges on this punk.

Responding to the bolded part. Exactly, but since he did the grabbing I’m sure he expects to be able to get off. I wouldn’t let him off. I can only imagine what was going though that kid’s mind when the Congressman grabbed him like that.

 

[RACJ]

Are you really going to try and suggest that republicans are really more virtuous than democrats? I have not voted for a democrat in 25 years but I have never voted for a decent and honorable candidate.

The problem with many conservatives is that they allow the quest for the perfect become the enemy of the realization of the good. Yes, Rick Santorum is a better human being than Bob Casey Jr, and I'm from Scranton. And, John Heinz was a class guy. Challenge: Attend a Tea Party Rally, and then join in a leftist rally for any cause. You'll be stunned by the decency of the average conservative vis a vis their "liberal" counterparts. We're not talking the perfection of the former group, but there IS a civility chasm. :rolleyes: Rob

 

[stanmaxkolbe]

Responding to the bolded part. Exactly, but since he did the grabbing I’m sure he expects to be able to get off. I wouldn’t let him off. I can only imagine what was going though that kid’s mind when the Congressman grabbed him like that.

I agree when I was fifteen I was thrown on the ground by an older man he thought I messed with his daughter my crime I had long hair—in fact it was the short haired standing next to me that was with his daughter.

I didn’t know what to do? I was taught to respect adults this very large man threw me to the ground—the only thing I was thinking why is he you doing this. I didn’t even think of defending myself well for one he was large and I was scared.

[A little off topic I must say I was never hassled by law enforcement for having long hair it was the redneck civilians—I’m talking about Kalamazoo, Michigan here—so all rednecks don’t live in the South].

So I understand what this college kid must be thinking; it’s unbelievable what’s happening here.

 

[RACJ]

Boy, talk about “contempt prior to investigation”, as we say in AA :tsktsk::tsktsk::tsktsk:

For the record, I voted Libertarian. Not Democrat. So what is this “WE” stuff

“We” blew it? “We” elected Obama? :dts::dts::dts:

 First, my contempt for BO is the result of investigation AND his wretched record. 
 Second, whether one voted Dem, GOP, Green, Libertarian or LaRouchie, *we* ALL lost when Obama won. :mad: Rob

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

You know darn well if those students would have grabbed him he would have had them arrested for assault—I hope they press charges on this punk.

I’m not so sure of that. Several folks were hit with pies (remember?) and I can think of one national figure who was spat upon. No criminal charges resulted.

Is this really an important incident? Or is someone seizing the opportunity to criticize a Democratic politician?

Just asking.

 

[Jenna_Bailey]

The problem with many conservatives is that they allow the quest for the perfect become the enemy of the realization of the good. Yes, Rick Santorum is a better human being than Bob Casey Jr, and I’m from Scranton. And, John Heinz was a class guy. Challenge: Attend a Tea Party Rally, and then join in a leftist rally for any cause. You’ll be stunned by the decency of the average conservative vis a vis their “liberal” counterparts. We’re not talking the perfection of the former group, but there IS a civility chasm. Rob

Excellent points. All of them.

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

I’m not so sure of that. Several folks were hit with pies (remember?) and I can think of one national figure who was spat upon. No criminal charges resulted.

Is this really an important incident? Or is someone seizing the opportunity to criticize a Democratic politician?

Just asking.

Democrat or Republican, either should be arrested and prosecuted, and not arrested and prosecuted and let off the hook by Obama, like the Black Panthers were.

 

[gilliam]

I’m not so sure of that. Several folks were hit with pies (remember?) and I can think of one national figure who was spat upon. No criminal charges resulted.

Is this really an important incident? Or is someone seizing the opportunity to criticize a Democratic politician?

Just asking.

It is assault and battery. Yea, that’s important. Even the congressman knew he was way, way in the wrong here and apologized unequivically. The young man has a case if he wants to pursue it.

This goes beyond party lines. See:
huffingtonpost.com/adam-goldstein/when-congressmen-attack_b_611941.html?ref=twitter

 

[Suudy]

I’m not so sure of that. Several folks were hit with pies (remember?) and I can think of one national figure who was spat upon. No criminal charges resulted.

Was there evidence of who spat? Or just the claim of being spat upon? Did they collect a sample? Did the see who spat? I’d say the difference is in the existing evidence; hearsay or eyewitness?

Is this really an important incident? Or is someone seizing the opportunity to criticize a Democratic politician?

I think it might be. Whenever an elected official or candidate acts like this I would say it is reason to raise eyebrows and carefully consider their character and demeanor. Orator skills aside, it takes more than a pretty face and good manners.

Just asking.

Really? Or is someone seizing the opportunity to downplay the behavior of a Democratic politician?

 

[ishii]

Was there evidence of who spat? Or just the claim of being spat upon? Did they collect a sample? Did the see who spat? I’d say the difference is in the existing evidence; hearsay or eyewitness?

I agree. I am not convinced that the whole “spitting incident” at the tea party event was manufactured. This was the subject of an earlier thread. It came down to “if you don’t believe the guy claiming to be spat upon, then you’re a racist.” In this case, we have clear video of what happened. Now the usual suspects are making excuses for him.

Ishii

 

[rlg94086]

It looks as though you’ve discovered the answer to overcrowding in jails. “Who wants to walk out of jail today? Apologize, and you’re free!”

What in the world are you babbling about? All I said is that his apology sounded genuine. I did not say that excused him of all wrongdoing.

 

[RACJ]

Was there evidence of who spat? Or just the claim of being spat upon? Did they collect a sample? Did the see who spat? I’d say the difference is in the existing evidence; hearsay or eyewitness?

 Unfortunately, Beau seems to believe every word uttered by the left. Let's see what we KNOW. The college kid WAS assaulted by Etheridge, And the good congressman should be out on bail today. 
 In the prior incident, we know that a passel of putrid, pathetic Congressmen, including Nancy Pelosi wielding gavel, walked through protestors for only these reasons: Taunting the crowd, brandishing power, and rubbing their noses in the Maoist drubbing that they were about to take. They were HOPING that someone would shout obsceities or epithets, thus discrediting the rallying patriots.  No luck, EXCEPT that some easily duped major media believed the CLAIM, unsupported by Capitol Hill cameras, that one black congressman was called "******" and spat upon.  Now, logic would dictate that if the man were covered with spittle, his first reaction would be to wipe himself, or attack the oral offender. It DIDN'T happen. The only thing we know with certainty is that a bunch of Democrat punks were caught behaving in character! ;) Rob

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

Suudy;6746247:

Was there evidence of who spat? Or just the claim of being spat upon? Did they collect a sample? Did the see who spat? I’d say the difference is in the existing evidence; hearsay or eyewitness?

 Unfortunately, Beau seems to believe every word uttered by the left.

Where do you get that? What leftist uttered anything?

Not to mention that your statement is also wrong.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

Was there evidence of who spat? Or just the claim of being spat upon? Did they collect a sample? Did the see who spat? I’d say the difference is in the existing evidence; hearsay or eyewitness?

An elderly grandmother. Jane Fonda. “Fonda, 67, who is on tour promoting her newly released autobiography My Life So Far, preferred not to press charges.”
people.com/people/article/0,1052328,00.html

There’s never an excuse, even a partisan one, to spit in the face of an elderly woman.

I guess you forgot that one.

Ed Koch while mayor of NYC was slapped in the face. No charges filed. You missed that one, too.

I think it might be. Whenever an elected official or candidate acts like this I would say it is reason to raise eyebrows and carefully consider their character and demeanor. Orator skills aside, it takes more than a pretty face and good manners.

Like Nixon shoving Ron Nessen? VP Rocky flipping the bird? Alan Keyes getting arrested trying to shove his way into a debate?

Really? Or is someone seizing the opportunity to downplay the behavior of a Democratic politician?

I consider this a minor incident. Others try to make partisan political hay.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

I agree. I am not convinced that the whole “spitting incident” at the tea party event was manufactured.

Maybe I was not talking about that incident, huh?

Really? Or is someone seizing the opportunity to downplay the behavior of a Democratic politician?

How would you play this one? Not at all?

"SACRAMENTO, Calif. — California Democrats said Tuesday that a reported altercation three years ago between former eBay chief executive Meg Whitman and an employee raises questions about her temperament.

The New York Times, in a story based on anonymous sources who did not witness the altercation, reported that eBay and the Republican gubernatorial nominee reached a financial settlement with the employee. The newspaper said the settlement, which was confidential, was about $200,000.

The sources told the newspaper that Whitman shoved the employee and used an expletive, but Whitman’s campaign characterized the incident as a verbal dispute “in a high-pressure working environment.”

Shawnda Westly, executive director of the California Democratic Party, said Tuesday the incident shows Whitman has “an explosive temperament.”

google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iVapOHBuR3CaiQCY5ngvxvVO7FLwD9GC2BL00

Remember: “Whenever an elected official or candidate acts like this I would say it is reason to raise eyebrows and carefully consider their character and demeanor. Orator skills aside, it takes more than a pretty face and good manners.”

 

[Suudy]

An elderly grandmother. Jane Fonda. “Fonda, 67, who is on tour promoting her newly released autobiography My Life So Far, preferred not to press charges.”
people.com/people/article/0,1052328,00.html

There’s never an excuse, even a partisan one, to spit in the face of an elderly woman.

I guess you forgot that one.

Nice bait and switch, Beau. You got me.

Ed Koch while mayor of NYC was slapped in the face. No charges filed. You missed that one, too.

Perhaps there should have been. On that, I am consistent. I guess you missed that.

Like Nixon shoving Ron Nessen? VP Rocky flipping the bird? Alan Keyes getting arrested trying to shove his way into a debate?

All situations that are unacceptable for a candidate or office holder. And all should be taken very seriously.

I consider this a minor incident. Others try to make partisan political hay.

Good for you. I consider it significant. Not major, but enough to take serious.

 

[Suudy]

How would you play this one? Not at all?

Gee, did you not read what I wrote? Do I need to answer?

Remember: “Whenever an elected official or candidate acts like this I would say it is reason to raise eyebrows and carefully consider their character and demeanor. Orator skills aside, it takes more than a pretty face and good manners.”

Here, I’ll make it clear for you. Yes, it is something to take seriously. If Whitman is unable to keep her cool, then perhaps it is reason to disqualify her during her campaign–especially during the primary. But no, it doesn’t rise to the level of overcoming her opposition’s clear support of the butcher of unborn children.

sfpublicpress.org/news/2010-04/state-should-extend-abortion-access-q-a-with-gubernatorial-candidate-jerry-brown

“Even though the federal government cut off funding for allowing choice for women of low income, we’d preserve that. First we’d preserve it through executive order, through court decision, and ultimately the Legislature itself,” said Brown, the state attorney general, in an interview at a pro-choice forum in San Francisco Saturday hosted by NARAL Pro-Choice America.

"Congress still does not believe fully in the right to choice, and therefore they deny hundreds of thousands of women the right to an abortion under Medi-Cal,” he added.

Yeah, shoving someone, even if only through hearsay “based on anonymous sources who did not witness the altercation,” is more concerning than using tax payer dollars to pay for abortion. Meg Whitman could do a strip tease, poop on the countertop, and kick a man in the teeth, and it wouldn’t be as disgusting as Brown’s support of abortion.

 

[Sonic]

Alan Keyes getting arrested trying to shove his way into a debate?

Let’s get the facts straight on this one. The incident you are referring to occurred on March 3, 1996 in Atlanta, and Keyes received an apology for what happened. No charges were made, and no official arrest occurred.

The incident was recorded by Keyes supporters, and is found on the Ambassador’s own Youtube channel…

youtube.com/watch?v=SehAtMQPNmQ

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

But no, it doesn’t rise to the level of overcoming her opposition’s clear support of the butcher of unborn children.

Playing the trump card?

Please don’t hijack the discussion.

Let’s get the facts straight on this one. The incident you are referring to occurred on March 3, 1996 in Atlanta and he received an apology from the Georgia GOP. No charges were made, and no official arrest occurred.

Keyes played the race card on that one, too.