Were you peeking in the window of post #18?I think so… but you can always leave your socks on just in case.
**Is there any other way?!
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We are establishing the dress requirements for the marital embrace. We have gone from nothing to a sheet with a hole in it to parents who sit and watch their newly married kids consummate their marriage.
Mm, this practice was especially true among royalty and the upper nobility; some would even go so far as to have a special ceremonial bed designed for the couple to consummate the sacrament. The point wasn’t to titillate the on-lookers, but to make sure the sacrament was consummated. Back then, people were a lot more frank about sex and the body. All babies were breast-fed and since society was more agrarian, people were more familiar with animals “doin’ what comes nat’rally”, thus by their standards, something like this wouldn’t be considered dirty or obscene.I had to take an art class as part of my general education course elective at High Point University. And we were studying this one painting, now I can not recall all the details, but it was focused on a room. As we were studying this painting, related during that time period… which I forgot, you may want to look up for more accurate info, but I kid you not when a newly married coupled had sexual relations, the parents from either side, would sit in the room with them. They wanted to make sure, that the new couple fulfilled their marital act as well as doing it accurately. DO YOU KNOW HOW GROSSED out I was!! I didn’t want to even begin to fathom what that would have been like. But that just goes to show you the major differences in cultures. I saw this topic was kinda going another way, and had to add it.
Many Muslims (depending on the school of Islam) believe also, that you cannot see your spouse naked. When you have sex you must have sex in the dark or be covered by blankets so as not to incite lust.
This is the recent teaching of a scholar, but it is against the Muslim tradition.
Unfortunately the Victorian era harmed the western culture.
Mmm, a lot of the problems with shame over anything remotely sexual, even between husband and wife and even if you’re talking about sexuality from a medical or biological standpoint, comes to us from the ethics of the middle class in Victorian England. The thing was, the middle class was trying to get some level of credibility in society (the upper class were pretty much “anything goes” since they had the money or clout to silence any objectors, and the lower class were so marginalized, they may as well have been invisible), thus, the only thing they had to go by was to follow a morally rigorous code of ethics, up to and including such absurdities as hiding the legs of chairs or tables or pianos under cloth covers so that young men wouldn’t think about a young lady’s legs. The word “leg” was practically taboo, hence why a chicken leg is called a “drumstick” even to this day. Using the word “bull”, even when you meant a male cow, was considered unacceptable as well; the word “ox” was used, even though an ox is a castrated male cow trained for pulling heavy wagons.
Wow, I never new that! It’s amazing where, when and how the origins of things came to be.
Thanks Roman_Army. This is what I was looking for. I don’t really care what non-Catholics think.