connections between Protestantism and atheism

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I would second this. Say what you will, people like Calvin, Luther, Knox, et al - to say nothing of the various evangelical strains of belief that have arisen, would be quite hard to link to an evolution to atheism. To my way of thinking, atheism is far more a product of culture than of Protestanism per se.
Im not saying that Protestantism created atheism. Im saying there is a link, a bridge from Protestantism to atheism. One such bridge sits in the parallels of sola scriptura and relativism. Anyone who holds to this belief is in danger. I’ve know people who had done just that because their belief in sola scriptura ultimately undermines divine truth, undermining God.
 
Im not saying that Protestantism created atheism. Im saying there is a link, a bridge from Protestantism to atheism.
I’m sure there are certain beliefs within any Church that has led any number of people to any number of different beliefs.
One such bridge sits in the parallels of sola scriptura and relativism. Anyone who holds to this belief is in danger. I’ve know people who had done just that because their belief in sola scriptura ultimately undermines divine truth, undermining God.
Please elaborate?
 
So in your search and whatever surveys you conduct, you may find that the connection between Protestantism and Atheism is the opposite of your hypothesis-- and the conclusion may show that the former more often than not prevents the latter instead of leading to it.
I expect that you are correct. In both sociology of religion and anthropology of religion, quite a lot of work has been done on the much-hyped phenomenon of falling church attendance rates, and what has been demonstrated is that the general movement away from church is not necessarily a movement away from belief, just a movement away from the traditional regulation of belief. In other words, we are seeing more diversity than before.
 
Im not saying that Protestantism created atheism. Im saying there is a link, a bridge from Protestantism to atheism. One such bridge sits in the parallels of sola scriptura and relativism. Anyone who holds to this belief is in danger. I’ve know people who had done just that because their belief in sola scriptura ultimately undermines divine truth, undermining God.
One just needs to look at the various protestant communities that believe in woman ordination, accept homosexual 'marriage, contraception and even abortion never mind the various interpretations of His Word as proof of what you are say. The result of separating Jesus from His Church.
 
Im not saying that Protestantism created atheism. Im saying there is a link, a bridge from Protestantism to atheism. One such bridge sits in the parallels of sola scriptura and relativism. Anyone who holds to this belief is in danger. I’ve know people who had done just that because their belief in sola scriptura ultimately undermines divine truth, undermining God.
Yes, as a private interpreter of Scripture, man still remains the arbiter of truth, the course Adam effectively set us on.
 
One just needs to look at the various protestant communities that believe in woman ordination, accept homosexual 'marriage, contraception and even abortion never mind the various interpretations of His Word as proof of what you are say. The result of separating Jesus from His Church.
Quoting this but also asking this question to the OP because as the discussion has continued other issues have arisen.

Is the premise that Protestantism leads to atheism, the lack of belief in any god, or to apostasy.

From the very term used to describe it, Protestantism is a different belief in God than Catholicism, perhaps with a few exceptions. As the basic belief of Catholicism is that the Catholic Church is the only valid church as decreed by Christ. So to believe anything else is to disagree on the characteristic of God establishing Catholicism as the one and only true faith.

But that is very far from actual atheism, believing in no god at all.

Unless one uses the term atheism to apply to lack of belief in their own understanding of God I don’t see any logical or actual progression from Protestantism to atheism.

Like several others have posted, I have known far more self described atheists that used to be Roman Catholics than Protestants. this may stem from being taught in the Church that it’s Catholicism or nothing. That teaching that it is a particular denomination or nothing, is less common among Protestant denominations.
 
You could argue that some of the “what feels right to me” mindset of Protestantism can lead to eventual lack of all belief. I also think the literal Bible reading (esp. with Baptist/Evangelicals) can lead to atheism because you’ll never connect the dots and be well-educated with that type of interpretation.

I believe Catholicism can also lead to atheism in some cases. Everyone knows of that devout Catholic mother with 8 kids who has several of them leave the faith because she was so caught up in shoving the faith down their throats as kids. The kids decide they’re done with it when they get to be adults.
 
Quoting this but also asking this question to the OP because as the discussion has continued other issues have arisen.

Is the premise that Protestantism leads to atheism, the lack of belief in any god, or to apostasy.

From the very term used to describe it, Protestantism is a different belief in God than Catholicism, perhaps with a few exceptions. As the basic belief of Catholicism is that the Catholic Church is the only valid church as decreed by Christ. So to believe anything else is to disagree on the characteristic of God establishing Catholicism as the one and only true faith.

But that is very far from actual atheism, believing in no god at all.

Unless one uses the term atheism to apply to lack of belief in their own understanding of God I don’t see any logical or actual progression from Protestantism to atheism.

Like several others have posted, I have known far more self described atheists that used to be Roman Catholics than Protestants. this may stem from being taught in the Church that it’s Catholicism or nothing. That teaching that it is a particular denomination or nothing, is less common among Protestant denominations.
You’re right of course; faith is alive and well in the larger part of Protestantism. But, due mainly to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, the possibility to create one’s own rules by interpreting Scripture according to one’s own agenda is quite open in Protestantism, resulting in many cases with doctrines or practices heavily influenced by or imbued with modernism, anti-supernaturalism, a rejection of mystery, hyper-rationalism, contemporary cultural values, etc., ultimately not possible in Catholicism due to the teaching authority of the Magisterium.
 
You’re right of course; faith is alive and well in the larger part of Protestantism. But, due mainly to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, the possibility to create one’s own rules by interpreting Scripture according to one’s own agenda is quite open in Protestantism, resulting in many cases with doctrines or practices heavily influenced by or imbued with modernism, anti-supernaturalism, a rejection of mystery, hyper-rationalism, contemporary cultural values, etc., ultimately not possible in Catholicism due to the teaching authority of the Magisterium.
hit the nail on the head
 
I want to write an article or even a book about how Protestantism leads to atheism. But I need some help. If anyone has any (name removed by moderator)ut about their connection please let me know. I haven’t looked into it but have countries that stayed mostly catholic kept faith in God vs countries that became mostly protestant? And I feel relativism is one bridge between them
So, you have a conclusion and then you will tailor your data to fit this conclusion?
From a research perspective alone (without even talking about the validity of your claim), your question is way too broad.
 
Is the premise that Protestantism leads to atheism, the lack of belief in any god, or to apostasy.

From the very term used to describe it, Protestantism is a different belief in God than Catholicism, perhaps with a few exceptions. As the basic belief of Catholicism is that the Catholic Church is the only valid church as decreed by Christ. So to believe anything else is to disagree on the characteristic of God establishing Catholicism as the one and only true faith.

But that is very far from actual atheism, believing in no god at all.
Seconded. I think a careful definition of terms would be beneficial before embarking on further research to ensure that you find the appropriate answers. To argue that protestantism, in particular sola scriptura leads to a lack of belief in God will require a strong hypothesis as to how the transition occurs if you are going to attempt to provide evidence that it is true. Otherwise objective readers will see anything less as at best an unfounded assertion or at worst a smear job of other believers.
 
You’re right of course; faith is alive and well in the larger part of Protestantism. But, due mainly to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, the possibility to create one’s own rules by interpreting Scripture according to one’s own agenda is quite open in Protestantism, resulting in many cases with doctrines or practices heavily influenced by or imbued with modernism, anti-supernaturalism, a rejection of mystery, hyper-rationalism, contemporary cultural values, etc., ultimately not possible in Catholicism due to the teaching authority of the Magisterium.
Again asking for clarification (this is a very interesting discussion and I want to make sure I am following it correctly)

Is the question referring to individuals leaving their faith and considering themselves atheists, or to a general trend over time that Protestantism has a tendency to eventually evolve into atheism given time.

Or perhaps both?
 
Seconded. I think a careful definition of terms would be beneficial before embarking on further research to ensure that you find the appropriate answers. To argue that protestantism, in particular sola scriptura leads to a lack of belief in God will require a strong hypothesis as to how the transition occurs if you are going to attempt to provide evidence that it is true. Otherwise objective readers will see anything less as at best an unfounded assertion or at worst a smear job of other believers.
Yes, again for clarification. Is atheism, in the context of this discussion (and the proposed book) a lack of belief in God, or in any god or gods at all.
 
I want to write an article or even a book about how Protestantism leads to atheism. But I need some help. If anyone has any (name removed by moderator)ut about their connection please let me know. I haven’t looked into it but have countries that stayed mostly catholic kept faith in God vs countries that became mostly protestant? And I feel relativism is one bridge between them
The two bastions of Catholicism in Europe used to be Spain and Poland. Attendance at Mass has dropped off a cliff in Spain and now the same is happening in Poland.

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/10961493/Polish-Catholics-in-decline.html

If your objective is to get more people saved, perhaps you’d do better writing a book about how modern society leads to atheism, or on how turf wars between Catholics and Protestants don’t help.

Just an idea.
 
I want to write an article or even a book about how Protestantism leads to atheism. But I need some help. If anyone has any (name removed by moderator)ut about their connection please let me know. I haven’t looked into it but have countries that stayed mostly catholic kept faith in God vs countries that became mostly protestant? And I feel relativism is one bridge between them
I agree that Protestantism leads to atheism. That is, the spirit in Protestantism of protest and reform, which, when once started, does not stop, but has continued through the centuries.

The first Reformers rejected some aspects of Catholicism and retained others. Subsequent reformers rejected more aspects. We can see how Lutheran and Anglican churches resemble Catholic ones in many ways, but Presbyterian and Puritan even less, both in appearance and doctrine. Then Anabaptist churches less so again. The Anabaptists rejected infant baptism but they still retained belief in the Trinity.

But then Unitarians and Jehovah’s Witnesses shed belief in the Trinity, and JW’s don’t even call themselves a church, and the architecture of their “Kingdom Halls” is intentionally made to look as unlike a church as possible.

So you can see the shape of the trajectory that was started with the Protestant Reformation. It is reductionist, as more and more things are recognized to be simply Catholic Tradition. The Reformation rejected Tradition, which means those things that are eventually seen to rest on Tradition can be legitimately discarded or ignored.

Ultimately, in the 19th and 20th centuries modern liberal Protestants realized that belief in the Bible itself was simply a Catholic tradition (as Catholics had long argued). Even belief in God was also seen to be simply a Catholic tradition. Protestants had inherited their beliefs in scripture and in God from the Catholics, so if the Catholics were wrong, then how can belief in scripture and in God be any longer held?

That is my argument put briefly as to one way Protestantism can lead to atheism, or, rather, to unbelief in God. The Spirit if the Reformation is that of reducing, until nothing is left.

More details and examples can be added. The Eucharist is either watered down, ignored, or symbolized. The same with baptism and the rest of the Sacraments. A process of dilution until all that is left is water. The trajectory gets lower and lower until it reaches zero. Until there is nothing left to believe in.

(As an aside, that is how Fundamentalism came to be, as a reaction to modern liberalism. But theirs is a rear-guard action as they have no Authority behind them.)
 
You largely miss the point. First philosophically and doctrinaly there already is a link between Protestantism and disbelief of God. I mentioned one of them being relativism and sola scriptura. There’s nothing wrong with one wanting to see if this has effected populations etc. If it doesn’t I would simply not write about it so please don’t assume. Your example of mass being boring causing kids to leave doesn’t prove your point. You’ve mad an observation that kids leave the church, and a possible cause for this and now you’re asking if anyone else has supporting data or insight. There’s no problem with that. Such a study may have been done and is why youth masses exist. You’re in effect telling me not to go in search for further info on the subject.
You largely miss the point. First philosophically and doctrinaly there already is a link between Protestantism and disbelief of God
Non sequitur.

Protestantism by definition involves a belief in God.

How can there be a link between a belief in God and a disbelief in God?
 
You’re right of course; faith is alive and well in the larger part of Protestantism. But, due mainly to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, the possibility to create one’s own rules by interpreting Scripture according to one’s own agenda is quite open in Protestantism, resulting in many cases with doctrines or practices heavily influenced by or imbued with modernism, anti-supernaturalism, a rejection of mystery, hyper-rationalism, contemporary cultural values, etc., ultimately not possible in Catholicism due to the teaching authority of the Magisterium.
Excellent points!

With the notion of sola scriptura, the possibility of many different interpretations, or “truths” now can arise. Without an absolute authority to decide what interpretation is true, any, or none, of them can be. We are left with only our own opinions. With the teaching authority of the Magisterium left behind, only man’s fallible opinion remains. This leads to “Well, if it’s true for you, man…”

True, the inerrant scriptures exist, but what does that matter, when we have only each man’s fallible opinion of what they mean? Truth, then, must be relative to each individual person’s opinion. Relativism!

OP, the initial statement needs to be re-framed. That is, it isn’t “Protestantism” itself that leads to atheism or relativism, but it is the idea behind Protestantism, it is the spirit that guided the Protestant Reformation. It is the idea of abandonment of an absolute authority that has led to an abandonment of the idea of absolute truth. Re-framed this way we address the question more directly and don’t get bogged down on irrelevant side issues.

It has been mentioned that culture, not Protestantism, is what leads to atheism. True, but that culture has been influenced by the Reformation spirit.
 
I find that the Devil works his wiles where ever there is error or confusion. There are many ways people fall into errors and confusion. Poor teaching, scandals, etc. They happen in all churches because there are people in them.

The Catholic Church has a guarantee of defining the right doctrine which is an advantage, but in the practice of bringing it to the laity She may have a poor enough record that it may offset this advantage.

I would guess it likely that different local cultures and the priests, & preachers have a large difference in which church problems drives more people to atheism or to sleep in the faith. I’d never try to extrapolate a few personal examples of your own witness to be any indication of general conclusions.
 
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