Conservatives call on GOP leaders to step down

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ishii said:
I understand that the those on the left would like others to believe what you’re saying above. That makes it much easier to justify voting for a president who supports infanticide. Notice that the poster you refer to never attributed to the left all evil, and actually said, “And I’ve been as guilty as anyone of going along and not saying anything.” Some of us, Seekerz, are concerned about the plight of the unborn and the sanctity of life as a result of this election. That so many catholics voted for Obama shows how blind some are to evil.

Ishii
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I understand this single issue is primarily if not entirely what determines how some Catholics vote. But in regard to overturning Roe, if Justice Ginsburg retires and President Obama makes an appointment to replace her, how do you expect that to change the make up of the Court? At worst for anti choice folks, the same split as now would remain. Or are you expecting one of the conservative judges to step down in the next 4 yrs? Also do conservatives ever consider that the majority of the American people are not with them on this single issue and perhaps other issues?
 
seekerz said:
Be still and know that He is God…the first mistake I see from your post is the seeming attribution of all things undesirable to “the left” and to “evil”. That is neither realistic, nor fair, nor respectful of people who don’t hold your ideology.

Yes, the Devil exists and strives against the things of God. No - is no respecter of ideologies: he’ll take whoever he gets. So we ALL need to get off our high horses and take heed lest we fall. I think there has been ample behavior that most definitely is not sanctioned by God happening on the left, right and in the center.

The election happened - somebody won. So what? That’s why elections are held. It was never meant to be a martyrdom experience.
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Why do you think Our Lady of Guadalupe is referred to as “Patroness of the Americas and Protector of the Unborn”?
Abortion is promoted by the left.
The Devil is in the details…
 
Conservatives are calling for GOP leaders to step down. Republicans are debating their future. I’ve seen talk this wk such as if the GOP would only nominate a Marco Rubio and/or have a female VP nominee. It will take more than that. Latinos and women and other voters care about issues too and a party’s positions on them. Along with the tone of the messengers. Merely changing the color of the face of the Republican candidate or their gender may not necessarily do it alone.
 
CMatt25 said:
Conservatives are calling for GOP leaders to step down. Republicans are debating their future. I’ve seen talk this wk such as if the GOP would only nominate a Marco Rubio and/or have a female VP nominee. It will take more than that. Latinos and women and other voters care about issues too and a party’s positions on them. Along with the tone of the messengers. Merely changing the color of the face of the Republican candidate or their gender may not necessarily do it alone.
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Maybe they should become Democrats? 😛
 
CMatt25 said:
Conservatives are calling for GOP leaders to step down. Republicans are debating their future. I’ve seen talk this wk such as if the GOP would only nominate a Marco Rubio and/or have a female VP nominee. It will take more than that. Latinos and women and other voters care about issues too and a party’s positions on them. Along with the tone of the messengers. Merely changing the color of the face of the Republican candidate or their gender may not necessarily do it alone.
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You don’t mind if I ask you where the Democratic party has ethnic minorities as Governors of any states, I count Jindal, Hailey and Martinez without getting references out.

So where do the Democrats have ethnic minorities governing states please?

Or is this just a ruse that is being used?
 
CMatt25 said:
Conservatives are calling for GOP leaders to step down. Republicans are debating their future. I’ve seen talk this wk such as if the GOP would only nominate a Marco Rubio and/or have a female VP nominee. It will take more than that. Latinos and women and other voters care about issues too and a party’s positions on them. Along with the tone of the messengers. Merely changing the color of the face of the Republican candidate or their gender may not necessarily do it alone.
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You’ve seen talk? Please link to it so we can see if this is indeed so.

Oh, it was a chatroom!:rolleyes:
 
CMatt25 said:
Conservatives are calling for GOP leaders to step down. Republicans are debating their future. I’ve seen talk this wk such as if the GOP would only nominate a Marco Rubio and/or have a female VP nominee. It will take more than that. Latinos and women and other voters care about issues too and a party’s positions on them. Along with the tone of the messengers. Merely changing the color of the face of the Republican candidate or their gender may not necessarily do it alone.
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There is more to Marco Rubio than his hispanic heritage. I wish Democrats would stop trying to put people into boxes.
 
CMatt25 said:
I understand this single issue is primarily if not entirely what determines how some Catholics vote. But in regard to overturning Roe, if Justice Ginsburg retires and President Obama makes an appointment to replace her, how do you expect that to change the make up of the Court? At worst for anti choice folks, the same split as now would remain. Or are you expecting one of the conservative judges to step down in the next 4 yrs? Also do conservatives ever consider that the majority of the American people are not with them on this single issue and perhaps other issues?
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Cmatt, the nightmare scenario for those who value the sanctity of life (as opposed to those who liken protecting unborn babies to “anti-choice”) is retirement of Ginsburg and a conservative - like Scalia. As for your last question, did the nine justices who voted for the Roe V Wade decision consider that the American people in 1972 were not with them? I doubt it. See- it works both ways, doesn’t it. Btw, you seem to be arguing for “majority rule” instead of constitutional rule, Cmatt. Are you for mob rules or a constitution where people’s rights are protected - even if the majority don’t want to? I ask this considering that until not very long ago in the south, the supreme court acted in ways that the majority of southerners were “not with them.”

Ishii
 
CMatt25 said:
Conservatives are calling for GOP leaders to step down. Republicans are debating their future. I’ve seen talk this wk such as if the GOP would only nominate a Marco Rubio and/or have a female VP nominee. It will take more than that. Latinos and women and other voters care about issues too and a party’s positions on them. Along with the tone of the messengers. Merely changing the color of the face of the Republican candidate or their gender may not necessarily do it alone.
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Cmatt, I believe it was observed that even though many hispanics are socially conservative and traditional, they still overwhelmingly supported the abortion candidate Obama. So its not too much a stretch to say that they were wary of Romney because he ran to the right of Rick Perry on immigration. It follows that nominating a candidate who is more moderate on the immigration issue, as is Rubio, would appeal to hispanics, and it helps that he’s hispanic to boot.

As a side note, its the liberals who started this whole racial quota thing - where if there weren’t x number of hispanics, blacks or women on the staff then that had to be fixed. This translated to national politics - Democrats were so quick to brag about electing minorities and “people of color.” Now when the GOP talks about having a hispanic to better connect with hispanics, liberals say " you’re nominating him because he’s hispanic!" Hypocrisy reigns.

Ishii
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Ya, its too much like the Democrat Party.
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Yes, the GOP is very much like the Democrat party on supreme court justices. Take Ginsburg compared to Scalia, for example. Oh wait, they’re polar opposites. But seriously, take Obama compared to Romney. Obama wants to nominate more Ginsburgs. Romney wanted to… oh wait, he had Robert Bork advising him. The truth is, there is a big difference between the goals of both parties, even if the outcomes of the GOP efforts can be frustrating (Souter, Anthony Kennedy, e.g.).

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Cmatt, I believe it was observed that even though many hispanics are socially conservative and traditional, they still overwhelmingly supported the abortion candidate Obama. So its not too much a stretch to say that they were wary of Romney because he ran to the right of Rick Perry on immigration. It follows that nominating a candidate who is more moderate on the immigration issue, as is Rubio, would appeal to hispanics, and it helps that he’s hispanic to boot.

As a side note, its the liberals who started this whole racial quota thing - where if there weren’t x number of hispanics, blacks or women on the staff then that had to be fixed. This translated to national politics - Democrats were so quick to brag about electing minorities and “people of color.” Now when the GOP talks about having a hispanic to better connect with hispanics, liberals say " you’re nominating him because he’s hispanic!" Hypocrisy reigns.

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This is right, and in fact, The Democrats didn’t want Clarence Thomas to go through and there was that Hispanic Judge, Cuban I think that was nominated for the Supreme Court but that the Democrats did not allow to be nominated. So if the minority is Republican, Democrats have no problems denying them.
 
sedonaman said:
God sent his own chosen people into exile in Babylon for their disobedience. It has become abundantly clear to the most casual observer that the majority of voters like big secular government that gives them “freebies” [some of them immoral] paid for by other people. What message could possibly compete with that? The conservative message of rising on your own initiative is falling on deaf ears. Therefore, the Republican Party is through because it couldn’t defeat even the über liberals, and firing its leadership will not solve the problem because there is no message that can compete with the promise of a “free” lunch.

Perhaps its best course of action is for the long run by letting the Democrats have their way; and when society is finally in “exile” long enough, maybe then the voters will listen.
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 I haven't been through all the posts for this thread yet but SEDONAMAN hit the nail right on the head.  Mitt Romney was the best choice to run against President Obama.  Our country has gone practically nowhere over the last four years in the way of creating jobs, building homes, or paying off our debt.  We needed a person with business experience to get this country back on track again.  Mitt Romney also has a compassionate heart in that he wants everyone to benefit from a newly revitalized economy including alot of the "47% who rely on the government".  There will always be poor people who need help from others.  Mitt Romney wasn't blaming them for this need, he was extending a hand to them.  But we have to be honest, there are some people out there who take advantage of the extended hand of the government and abuse it.

 I agree with what alot of republican strategists have been saying that the republicans need to offer a hand and work more closely with the poor in this country.  They also need to extend a more friendlier hand to African Americans and Hispanic Americans.  We are a multicultural nation.

 Now, its interesting but some of the republican strategists were mentioning another group that the GOP has alienated because of the GOP's pro-life message and thats women.  Here, I totally disagree with this thought process.  If the GOP would try to become a pro-abortion cheerleaders and try to attract the so-called pro-choice voters, the GOP would cease to exist.  Churchgoing, Pro-life people make up a good chunk of the GOP and we want to see abortion ended.
 
hvizsgyak said:
I haven’t been through all the posts for this thread yet but SEDONAMAN hit the nail right on the head. Mitt Romney was the best choice to run against President Obama. Our country has gone practically nowhere over the last four years in the way of creating jobs, building homes, or paying off our debt. We needed a person with business experience to get this country back on track again. Mitt Romney also has a compassionate heart in that he wants everyone to benefit from a newly revitalized economy including alot of the “47% who rely on the government”. There will always be poor people who need help from others. Mitt Romney wasn’t blaming them for this need, he was extending a hand to them. But we have to be honest, there are some people out there who take advantage of the extended hand of the government and abuse it.

I agree with what alot of republican strategists have been saying that the republicans need to offer a hand and work more closely with the poor in this country. They also need to extend a more friendlier hand to African Americans and Hispanic Americans. We are a multicultural nation.

Now, its interesting but some of the republican strategists were mentioning another group that the GOP has alienated because of the GOP’s pro-life message and thats women. Here, I totally disagree with this thought process. If the GOP would try to become a pro-abortion cheerleaders and try to attract the so-called pro-choice voters, the GOP would cease to exist. Churchgoing, Pro-life people make up a good chunk of the GOP and we want to see abortion ended.
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The GOP has been trying to attract pro-choice voters. They will not get 100% behind a truly pro-life candidate. And that is the problem. That is why so many voters have turned to third party candidates. The GOP never gives truly pro-life candidates a chance.
 
zab said:
The GOP has been trying to attract pro-choice voters. They will not get 100% behind a truly pro-life candidate. And that is the problem. That is why so many voters have turned to third party candidates. The GOP never gives truly pro-life candidates a chance.
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Sorry, Romney got the endorsements of Pro Life Groups and Obama’s corporate allies, Planned Parenthood ran anti Romney, Pro Abortion Ads against him, he took a risk, he stuck his neck out, those who didn’t vote for him and obviously, Paul Ryan who is very pro life let the pro life cause down.

Many voters have turned to third party candidates? I like Virgil Goode but the performance of the Constitution Party was absolutely nil. And though not pro life, the Libertarian party turned in a dismal 1% of the national vote as well. If you want a perfect candidate, then so be it but I know it’s a long shot to find someone who will be elected who thinks just like me.
 
BroomWagon said:
Sorry, Romney got the endorsements of Pro Life Groups and Obama’s corporate allies, Planned Parenthood ran anti Romney, Pro Abortion Ads against him, he took a risk, he stuck his neck out, those who didn’t vote for him and obviously, Paul Ryan who is very pro life let the pro life cause down.

Many voters have turned to third party candidates? I like Virgil Goode but the performance of the Constitution Party was absolutely nil. And though not pro life, the Libertarian party turned in a dismal 1% of the national vote as well. If you want a perfect candidate, then so be it but I know it’s a long shot to find someone who will be elected who thinks just like me.
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Romney did not get the support of pro-life groups until Santorum was out.
 
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