Conservatives call on GOP leaders to step down

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New Book details the Pet Favorite Cause Planned Parenthood:

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The fort hood shooter killed 13 innocent military, did Obama even comment on this? George Tiller, Late Term Abortionist is killed that day, Obama is out that day condemining it.
 
seekerz said:
Where do you get his stuff? 90% of pregnant women?

Fact: abortion has been legal in this country since Obama was a child. Fact: women are not programmable robots so that whoever controls the switch get to control them. Fact: some of us insist on living in denial of the above facts then wonder why electorate doesn’t go the way we want.

Obama won. God allowed it. Get over it.
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Yes, God allowed Obama to win in the same sense that he allows many horrible things to happen. It is part of God’s permissive will.

God never actively wills evil, but He permits evil for two reasons: free will and because He can bring a greater good out of evil.
 
HansTrappist said:
Well, that may be.

But notice: the Democrats consistently support intrinsic evil and they consistenly win; the Republicans consistently play the middle ground and lost in a big way.

You can never beat the Devil playing the Devil’s game. There are only two ways to win in politics: tell lies or tell the truth. Playing the middle is a losing strategy. Time will tell if the Republicans have learned their lesson but, personally, I think the Republican party is finished. Already Mr. Boehner is talking about compromising with the Democrats. Game over.
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Fact: there is good and evil in every man and every organization/institution of man.

Fact: compromise between political parties is not a dirty word - it’s how the democratic world goes round. The alternative is a dictatorship.

Fact: the ability to lead a country involves exponentially more than being able to mouth a particular stance on a single issue.
 
seekerz said:
Where do you get his stuff? 90% of pregnant women? .
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Who said it?? Planned Parenthood said it. Everyone look at how Seekerz usual rude callous statements show a total lack of information here.

lifenews.com/2012/01/05/91-of-pregnant-women-planned-parenthood-sees-get-abortions/
a new annual report the Planned Parenthood abortion business released shows it helped fewer pregnant women with prenatal care and the number of pregnant women it referred for adoptions declined as well.
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Fact: abortion has been legal in this country since Obama was a child. Fact: women are not programmable robots so that whoever controls the switch get to control them. Fact: some of us insist on living in denial of the above facts then wonder why electorate doesn’t go the way we want.
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Obama won. God allowed it. Get over it
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Excuse me, so you are against the Catholic Church then. What are you doing here?

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=728672

Who even talked about who would vote for a man who voted for infanticide? Are you gloating?
 
HansTrappist said:
Yes, God allowed Obama to win in the same sense that he allows many horrible things to happen. It is part of God’s permissive will.

God never actively wills evil, but He permits evil for two reasons: free will and because He can bring a greater good out of evil.
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Obama’s win is not a manifestation of evil any more than Romney’s win would have been. There is no black and white in politics and there is evil or its potential not just within both parties but within every human being. It is a matter of opinion on which side the sum of evil is greater.

There is no bright line between good and evil in politics, but when I see a politician look straight at the camera and lie and be applauded as the salvation of this country by those who claim to speak for God…

Believe this or not, but both times Obama won I was able to predict with confidence that it would happen - not because he is the greatest thing since sliced bread or because I have prophetic powers, but because of the hatred, spite and dishonest tactics I saw among people who claimed they were more Christian than Him. One cannot stoop to gutter tactics and simultaneously proclaim: ‘don’t touch me lest my holiness rub off on you’…

Yes, God Himself allowed it. If we are willing, we can even learn what He is trying to teach.
 
seekerz said:
Fact: there is good and evil in every man and every organization/institution of man.

Fact: compromise between political parties is not a dirty word - it’s how the democratic world goes round. The alternative is a dictatorship.

Fact: the ability to lead a country involves exponentially more than being able to mouth a particular stance on a single issue.
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Funny that there was no mention of compromise when the Dems were pushing through on Obamacare.
 
seekerz said:
Obama’s win is not a manifestation of evil any more than Romney’s win would have been. There is no black and white in politics and there is evil or its potential not just within both parties but within every human being. It is a matter of opinion on which side the sum of evil is greater.

There is no bright line between good and evil in politics, but when I see a politician look straight at the camera and lie and be applauded as the salvation of this country by those who claim to speak for God…

Believe this or not, but both times Obama won I was able to predict with confidence that it would happen - not because he is the greatest thing since sliced bread or because I have prophetic powers, but because of the hatred, spite and dishonest tactics I saw among people who claimed they were more Christian than Him. One cannot stoop to gutter tactics and simultaneously proclaim: ‘don’t touch me lest my holiness rub off on you’…

Yes, God Himself allowed it. If we are willing, we can even learn what He is trying to teach.
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Romney never voted for Infanticide, Obama’s views are downright evil.

Here is how Catholics should vote: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=728672

You can say all you want to justify Obama votes to deny people the right to life but don’t try to pass it off as something that is Catholic.
 
BroomWagon said:
Who said it?? Planned Parenthood said it. Everyone look at how Seekerz usual rude callous statements show a total lack of information here.

lifenews.com/2012/01/05/91-of-pregnant-women-planned-parenthood-sees-get-abortions/

Excuse me, so you are against the Catholic Church then. What are you doing here?

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=728672

Who even talked about who would vote for a man who voted for infanticide? Are you gloating?
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If I have said something wrong, point it out.

Where did you get that ‘90% of pregnant women’ figure? Was the link supposed to clarify that?

I am Catholic 110% and no, I did not become one by permission of an internet poster.
 
BroomWagon said:
Romney never voted for Infanticide, Obama’s views are downright evil.

Here is how Catholics should vote: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=728672

You can say all you want to justify Obama votes to deny people the right to life but don’t try to pass it off as something that is Catholic.
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Lots of things are being ‘passed off’ as Catholics these days: ignorance, spite, slander, calumny, causing scandal, causing division, inciting hate…Need I go on?
 
seekerz said:
If I have said something wrong, point it out.

Where did you get that ‘90% of pregnant women’ figure? Was the link supposed to clarify that?

I am Catholic 110% and no, I did not become one by permission of an internet poster.
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Planned Parenthood Figures show this:

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Support Abortion if you must but clearly, the Church teaches the opposite.

You are just making a decision some people don’t have a right to live.

lifenews.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/plannedparenthood48.jpg
 
Obama won,

Poll Watchers were denied the right to observe polls, Voter Fraud.

Obama won with welfare recipients.
 
seekerz said:
If I have said something wrong, point it out.

Where did you get that ‘90% of pregnant women’ figure? Was the link supposed to clarify that?

I am Catholic 110% and no, I did not become one by permission of an internet poster.
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See, that’s your mistake: you should always seek out permission from an Internet poster before you do anything.
 
meltzerboy said:
I think the Obamacare package is in itself a compromise in that it doesn’t go far enough in providing universal healthcare.
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Something to think about:

From forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/11/12/barack-obamas-election-and-the-looming-crisis-of-liberalism/2/

The newest, liberal innovation is the creation of what amounts to “living statutes.” Although Kesler does not use that term, here is how he describes ObamaCare:
“The law’s meaning is deliberately indeterminate, left vague so as to give maximum discretion to the unholy trinity of bureaucrats, congressional staffers, and private-sector “stakeholders” who will flesh out the act with thousands of pages of regulations (12,000 and counting so far), and then amend those as needed later on…
“This new kind of statute – one hates to call it law – is not meant to be ‘settled, standing rule,’ as John Locke defined law. On the contrary, it is meant permanently to be in flux, always developing and subject to renegotiation. It is law constantly suffused with wisdom, albeit constantly changing wisdom. It is what passes for law under a living constitution.”
The same could be said of the Dodd-Frank law, which gives new and expanded federal bureaucracies vast, new discretionary power with which to control the financial services industry and any other company they deem a systemic risk…
…Later in the article:

As a result, liberalism, as well as the United States, finds itself at a historic crossroad.
President Obama’s decision to double down aggressively on the reach and cost of big government, just as the European model of social democracy is hitting the skids, provides the perfect opportunity for conservatives to exploit. His course makes the problems of liberalism worse and more urgent, as though he is eager for a crisis. Sooner or later, the crisis will come. If the people remain attached to their government and laws, and American statesmen do their part, the country may yet take the path leading up from liberalism.
Those are two very big “ifs.” Kesler believes the odds of the country taking the upward path have been improved by an intellectual rebirth in academia, which, he points out, has begun to challenge the totems of progress and relativism. And, although the left still dominates the institutions of higher learning, they are no longer able to obliterate the successes of free market economics, nor the failures of their own policies to ameliorate the suffering of the poor in America’s inner cities.
In the end, the reader is left with the daunting question of whether Barack Obama is the “savior of liberalism, or the last liberal president” and a greater capacity to find an answer in the months and years ahead.
 
seekerz said:
Obama’s win is not a manifestation of evil any more than Romney’s win would have been. There is no black and white in politics and there is evil or its potential not just within both parties but within every human being. It is a matter of opinion on which side the sum of evil is greater.

There is no bright line between good and evil in politics, but when I see a politician look straight at the camera and lie and be applauded as the salvation of this country by those who claim to speak for God…
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Intrinsic evil is black and white.

It is not a matter of opinion on which side the sum of evil is greater. It is a matter of record and a matter of the Democrat Party’s STATED position on murder-on-demand (aka abortion-on-demand). It is black and white…and red.

Again, no Catholic was forced to vote for Romney. But Obama’s support for murder on demand ruled him out as a viable candidate by default. It is really quite simple.
 
HansTrappist said:
Intrinsic evil is black and white.

It is not a matter of opinion on which side the sum of evil is greater. It is a matter of record and a matter of the Democrat Party’s STATED position on murder-on-demand (aka abortion-on-demand). It is black and white…and red.

Again, no Catholic was forced to vote for Romney. But Obama’s support for murder on demand ruled him out as a viable candidate by default. It is really quite simple.
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The Church allows us to weigh the issues - it does not direct us to vote ONLY based on abortion. It’s really that simple.
 
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