Conservatives call on GOP leaders to step down

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CMatt25 said:
Yes and I know God let some walk away in Jn 6. But no one cleansing your church to my knowledge is God. None of us walk on water.
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I can promise you, God is Cleansing His Church. But not the way you misuse my words to mean. If you cannot honestly debate me or anyone else, please leave this catholic forum.
 
Lapey said:
Matt, you have no right to continue this mocking and misrepresentation of my words.
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Deacon - Do what others and I have done - put CMatt25 on ignore and stop replying to him.

It’s the old internet addage, don’t feed the trolls.
 
seekerz said:
Ah, so they’re supposed to do what? “Purify” those who refuse to relinquish their consciences to the thought police? Sorry, that’s not how it works.
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I’m sorry to be the one to tell you this but the Church is the authority not thought police. She gives us guidelines, we follow. That’s the way it works, unless it’s the other way, party before Church. But that would be calling you partisan, and I won’t do that.
 
seekerz said:
You don’t have to “tolerate”? What does that mean? You have no choice about sharing planet earth with them, unless some entrepreneur means to populate his own planet and invited you to come along…
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Ok, i changed my mind; I will tolerate______ (fill in teh blank.)

Gay marriage
slavery
abortion
stem cell research on living embryos harvested to kill
marriage of multiple partners
marriage of man and beast
racism

You add in your repulsive words, they all fit. When did tolerate sin become a cardinal virtue, we love and tolerate the sinner, yes, but never the sin.
 
pete_29 said:
Who are these people that hook up with heretics? Who here impugns the character and nature of God?
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I’m curious about this one as well, who is the heritic here or impunes the character of God?
 
CMatt25 said:
Yes but the people cleansed out are not going to be there to hear Deacon Lapey or another member of the clergy teach what your church presents as the truth.
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That may be true, even though you are using my name and words to ridicule. But remember it is your decision to leave.
 
Lapey said:
That may be true, even though you are using my name and words to ridicule. But remember it is your decision to leave.
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They are hearing Deacon Lapey’s words on this forum, and they are still not moved, therefore I doubt they would tolerate Deacon Lapey’s words in a Catholic church.
 
CMatt25 said:
This confuses me. As a Catholic you didn’t like Vatican II and what transpired from it? Don’t you believe God was leading the Catholic Church during and after Vaican II as He was before?
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Vat II was and is good, it’s the supposed “spirit of Vatt II” which has emptied the pews and lessoned the authoritative role of Mother Church. Not because that authority is any less, just the perception of such.

To put is simply, we look too much like the rest. It has swung left for 50 years, but the pendulum is swinging back. She still welcomes you home, but you’ll have to be catholic before liberal or conservative, sorry that won’t change. The Church is center, not left or right. She is the measuring stone to the world, not the other way around.
 
CMatt25 said:
But Tigg, even if what you say were true and if there are those who are not interested, I’m at a loss to understand how Catholics such as yourself who have found their faith and believe, expect others to potentially find their faith and believe with you if they are no longer going to be in it. It’s something I just find so facinating because I’ve been hearing about this purer, if smaller Church idea for awhile now. I think for me personally I first heard about it at the time of the election of the current Pope. I realize the Holy Spirit can touch people’s lives. But surely you would say being in the pews has helped you to find and believe as well.
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The reason you do not understand is simple, you have found the faith and have rejected it. Now you want others to accept your incorrect understanding of the faith instead of learning the truth, discerning said truth and then conforming. It doesn’t work any other way; you are free to decide, accept it or continue to reject it.
 
seekerz said:
Know what?
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That Obama divided the country along racial, ethnic, religious and gender lines. That he is the champion of abortion/infanticide. That he is the enemy of the Biblical interpretation of marriage between a man and a woman. See? Now you are informed. 🙂
seekerz said:
You must have a mighty fine opinion of yourself.
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Not really.
 
CMatt25 said:
I don’t have an axe to grind. Sure I disagree with the conservative politics espoused here and since I am not considered to be a Catholic, I compare beliefs and faith including others. I might do that anyway if I were Catholic because I’ve always done so. Learning about various faiths along my spiritual journey. But I have conservative Republican Catholics in my own family. We all get along. I don’t grind an axe into them nor they into me. I’ve never told anyone here they are evil or on the path to hell, etc as I’ve been told on occasion. I’ve never even ever said your faith is wrong. Because I don’t believe any of you are evil and it certainly is not my place to judge anyone to being on their way to hell. And while I don’t know for sure, you may even be right in faith. Peace and love and God’s blessings to each and everyone here though we might disagree.
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I remeber having a discussion with you several years ago, before I was ordained and you expressed how you hate the titles before the name Catholic. Why do you now use them to pigion hole others? e.g. conservatine republican catholic.
 
CatholicGuy22 said:
Ohhhh please. Talk about being Self-Righteous! LOL. First off I see nothing wrong with voting republican, I just want people to open there mind to see that the Republican party is lacking in many areas. Especially with regards to the poor and undocumented. We need to respect ALL life from the womb to the streets. Democrats are seriously lacking in the abortion issue and marriage but I admit that.
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And if you have read my posts you have seen me criticize the rep party for immigration and death penalty and other topics, however none are equal or proportionate to the support of evil on the dem platform. Just doesn’t ad up.

Self righteous? nope, passionate about Jesus and His Church.
 
CatholicGuy22 said:
The Government is an extension of the people. Many people depend on the Government and if that is taken away, there livelihood would be in trouble.
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No one on either side of the aisle has proposed doing away with the safety net which many rely on. To say other wise is not true. It has been demogoged from the parties, i would agree.
 
Tigg said:
I sense in your posts that you have felt pushed away from the Church in the past and I’m sorry for that and mean it most sincerely. I have prayed for you that you have found peace in your new church. For those seekers of the Truth, they are always welcomed, but in the midst of this current secularism, apostasy and moral relativism, our core beliefs are being attacked in a most egregious, and might I say, diabolical way. The Year of Faith that has been proclaimed is an opportunity for every Catholic to learn, evangelize and promote the faith to those with ears to hear. But for those who make the choice to reject the message, then they need to go their own way and not engage in vicious battle against us. Look at this thread - Catholics against Catholics! And 50% of them voted against the primary life (and moral) issues that uniquely define us as One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. I see a schism in the near future…I honestly do and think there has been, without doubt, a de facto schism for years. This election has illustrated as much to me.

As an American, I would never have believed I would have seen in my lifetime that my religious freedom would be at risk, or that the threat would be from one of the two major political parties. How can any Christian, Catholic or not, swallow that one?
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Thank you Tigg for your sincerity and for your prayers and I mean that with all sincerity. Though I’m uncertain what you mean by new church. I’m also not certain whether those you speak of, make the choice or if they have the choice forced upon them. I agree from what I’ve been able to tell, there have been differences among Catholics for a time now. But it’s been more recently from what I gather that you have Catholics telling other Catholics they either are not Catholic or can not consider themselves Catholics or wanting to cleanse and purify even if smaller. I’m going to assume by religious freedom you are referring to the HHS mandate. I swallow it by standing back and asking myself this. If a Christian from one of the more mainline to liberal denominations which has not come out in such oppostion, believes there should be some uniformity in health care coverage so people are not forced to quit their jobs due to lack of benefits and because Jesus said to care for the sick. And they believe free contraception should be part of such coverage. I know I’ve read of cases where doctors prescribe contraception for health matters. Then for it not to be so, it would be their religious freedom being at risk. Either way it’s a difficult situation as I see it.

God bless you. Please keep me in your prayers if you are called to do so. James said to pray for another. So likewise I will pray for you and your intentions. Peace.
 
CMatt25 said:
Actually I know enough about the Catholic Church to know it’s not a democracy. I realize and I’m going to guess others do too, that none of you for instance, unless someone is a member of the College of Cardinals, has the Holy Spirit guiding them in the election of the Pope. Nor are any of you assigning bishops. I’m certain many of you pray though during a Papal election process.

I haven’t come across anyone professing to be Christian here who hates Christ. So I’m clueless where that came from. And I wasn’t saying not to tell them what you believe to be the truth. I only say if they are cleaned out or leave as you put it, they’re not going to be there to hear you telling them. So I don’t understand how they are going to learn what you believe to be the truth if they’re not there to keep hearing it. Because I can envision someone you want to clean out but if they’re not, someday could be sitting in the pew and the Holy Spirit clicks something in them when they are listening and all of a sudden they will believe. But if they’re not there because you’ve cleansed the pews, the chances of that happening for them in the Catholic Church are decreased. That’s all I was saying. And I certainly wasn’t saying anyone here hates Christ.
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You seem to be getting a little incoherent, take a breath Matt; no one said the goal is to drive people out. Furthermore, no one said you hated Christ. The person you quoted used that scripture to make a point. When we preach truth in accordance with the Church, people will hate us, but remember they hated Jesus first, so expect it. And I expect it, but to shut down the truthful message in fear is the work of the enemy, not love and tolerance.
 
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