Why are they required to give up their cell phones? Many people have no other means of commication and for a single woman who is likely commuting on public transportation, a cell is now essential. The pay phone on every corner is long gone.The homeless shelter where I work helps women love their babies and take personal responsibility. They have smoking cessation classes, nutrition classes, parenting classes, how to dress for success how to get a job. One of the hardest things they have to do if they want to join the program is give up their cell phones.
can’t do that, he is my brother and I love him. I will continue to try to get in. He is not a troll, I’ve know him for years.Deacon - Do what others and I have done - put CMatt25 on ignore and stop replying to him.
It’s the old internet addage, don’t feed the trolls.
Deacon, I don’t know if you know the whole story or not. Since you don’t know me nor my experiences I have some doubt that you do however. Does the Church conform to the times when women were not to speak in churches? To the time when Creation was started and finished in 6- 24 hr days with the evening and the morning being a day? And so on. You’re missing the point though. Yes I know you and others believe you are cleansing sin in your cleaning effort. But if they leave as a result, how do you expect them to have their sins cleansed? Btw I did not exit that day. Though would have if not for being there in memory of a loved one. Though other than one other time after that experience when I attended there due to scheduling also in memory of a loved one, a different priest was there for that Mass, it is true I have not been back to that Catholic parish to worship…That young priest needed your prayers, not your exit. It’s easy to run when the things we believe are not what we are told should be, I talk of Church teaching not the statement you made about a priest. Look at your profile, even if I didn’t know the whole story I could guess that you are one who left the pews because the Church would not conform to your views. We must form our consciences; we are not victims of our consciences. When our conscience does not fall in line with Church teaching, we must learn and discern then conform. Not the other way around. The Church will not and never will conform to popular belief or stick with the times; She holds the fullness of the truth. It is up to us to comply or leave, you have chosen the latter. That’s not the Churches fault that would be yours.
The cleansing is not aimed at cleaning butts from the pews, it is aimed at cleansing sin from the soul, and this is our ultimate goal, the supreme law of the Church Canon 1752, the salvation of souls. Salvation of souls does not happen when souls are left in the pig pen of sin.
If a person chooses to reject this that is their free will. It’s not the deacon, priest or bishop who caused him to leave; it is his hardness of heart.
I have known him for years too.can’t do that, he is my brother and I love him. I will continue to try to get in. He is not a troll, I’ve know him for years.
To conform to truth, there is only one. This is the point. And the arguments you make are of cultural change, women not to speak in church, you know that. Nothing to do with dogma and doctrine. That is silly to bring up. Creation is what it is, i don’t ever remember studying Church history reading about the time when the Church taught a literal teaching of that 6-24 hour periods of creation, again, nice try but no cigar.Deacon, I don’t know if you know the whole story or not. Since you don’t know me nor my experiences I have some doubt that you do however. Does the Church conform to the times when women were not to speak in churches? To the time when Creation was started and finished in 6- 24 hr days with the evening and the morning being a day? And so on. You’re missing the point though. Yes I know you and others believe you are cleansing sin in your cleaning effort. But if they leave as a result, how do you expect them to have their sins cleansed?
We don’t have time to get tired. We must continue the fight for souls!I have known him for years too.
I am just tired of being pigeon holed by certain posters here, who do not seem interested in genuine debate
There is a phone they can use at Our Lady’s Inn. They can make calls and receive calls there.Why are they required to give up their cell phones? Many people have no other means of commication and for a single woman who is likely commuting on public transportation, a cell is now essential. The pay phone on every corner is long gone.
Thank you for clarifying.There is a phone they can use at Our Lady’s Inn. They can make calls and receive calls there.
Lapey, did you not say the Catholic Church is going through a cleansing time and it’s going to get worse and didn’t you bring up the role you and other deacons and the new younger priests have by speaking Catholic truth? If either one of us misinterpreted the other, I apologize if I did. But I’m not sure what you are getting so defensive about. My point is simply that I don’t understand if they leave, or in their minds they might feel pushed away. I don’t know in every case how a person might feel. But if they’re not there, how do you expect them to hear the truth you and other deacons and the new younger priests are speaking of. That’s the part I don’t get. If they’re sleeping in on Sun mornings or going out on Sat or Sun evening or doing something else by Sun Mass at noon, or attending another faith community, where are they going to learn the truth you speak? I understand you don’t want them to leave. But if they do, don’t you believe if they continued instead in the pews listening to you every wk or at least on occasion, that something might click in them someday, and they might come to believe? Sometimes I do post on the non Catholic subforum. I’m not here primarily to debate you Lapey or anyone else. Just to charitably and respectfully share faith and politics and to learn.of others’ world views. I find debating faith and politics rather fruitless because rarely do people change their minds. And right now in this case I’m trying to learn how people who leave are going to learn?I can promise you, God is Cleansing His Church. But not the way you misuse my words to mean. If you cannot honestly debate me or anyone else, please leave this catholic forum.
My problem is with Catholics that have different views than the Church and automatically assume that Church is wrong and not themselves. Not necessarily anyone here, but I’ve heard such things from members of my own family.To conform to truth, there is only one. This is the point. And the arguments you make are of cultural change, women not to speak in church, you know that. Nothing to do with dogma and doctrine. That is silly to bring up. Creation is what it is, i don’t ever remember studying Church history reading about the time when the Church taught a literal teaching of that 6-24 hour periods of creation, again, nice try but no cigar.
I get the point, you want to be able to hold on to your views, practice the way you want to practice, and be catholic, but it doesn’t work that way. We must learn, doiscern and then conform; or we can choose to reject.
Because I reread a letter I received from a Catholic bishop answering in reply to a question I once had about Catholic teaching and doing so refreshed my memory.I remeber having a discussion with you several years ago, before I was ordained and you expressed how you hate the titles before the name Catholic. Why do you now use them to pigion hole others? e.g. conservatine republican catholic.
Lapey, Seekerz explained to me somewhere back there that the Catholic Church says there can be proportional reason and the reasons don’t need to be the same for everyone. If there are none, then how can there be proportionate reasons the Church speaks about?.And if you have read my posts you have seen me criticize the rep party for immigration and death penalty and other topics, however none are equal or proportionate to the support of evil on the dem platform. Just doesn’t ad up.
Self righteous? nope, passionate about Jesus and His Church.
I know. A homeless man, Mike, I used to converse with when he was on the corner wanted a cell phone to communicate with his family about 1500 miles and many states away.Why are they required to give up their cell phones? Many people have no other means of commication and for a single woman who is likely commuting on public transportation, a cell is now essential. The pay phone on every corner is long gone.
Thank you Lapey and for clarifying I am not a troll. I have no one on ignore. Regardless of any differences in opinion or belief I love you too as well as Computer Geek and all of you as my fellow Christians. And for those not Christian, as my brothers and sisters as children of God our Creator. God bless everyone here and peace be with each of you.can’t do that, he is my brother and I love him. I will continue to try to get in. He is not a troll, I’ve know him for years.
Hi Lapey, I’m not sure you do. This has nothing to do with me. I haven’t been inside a Catholic Church for 7 mos. This has to do with those Catholics who voted in a manner in which, if I read you right, you say they shouldn’t have voted. Their votes were among those which has caused the topic of this thread. You’re a deacon so I know you are aware of who the Catholic Church teaches is a Catholic. I’ve concluded you say if they leave after rejecting what you tell them, it is their choice. Ironically this reminded me of the same young priest I previously spoke of. Perhaps it was in the same homily in which he gave his answer to the poor. I’m not sure because I heard him preach on a few different occasions before I exited that parish. But I recall him saying people meet with him and leave the meeting because they don’t like what he said. Anyway now that I understand your viewpoint is that they choose to leave, my question is since we both know the answer to who is considered a Catholic according to the answer given by the Catholic Church, how do the 50% of those Baptized and confirmed Catholics who voted for Barack Obama and against Mitt Romney and the conservatives or those who don’t otherwise listen to what you and others teach them, leave? Doesn’t OCAC still apply? It no longer works that way that a Baptized, confirrmed Catholic is considered to be a Catholic? I thought you previously said in another thread once that it did. I’m wondering now if maybe you’re confusing leaving the practice of the faith with not being a Catholic.I get the point, you want to be able to hold on to your views, practice the way you want to practice, and be catholic, but it doesn’t work that way. We must learn, doiscern and then conform; or we can choose to reject.
Well, he did run on a humble foreign policy. Unfortunately, as we all, it turned out that he was lying …How did GWB get elected ONCE? (Sorry, I couldn’t resist that one.)
I would agree with you on that. America is already too polarized and as a result, nothing really gets done and won’t get done until each side reaches a meeting of the minds; something which will require compromise on both sides. Otherwise the country may flounder for another 4 years.MORE in tune with the conservative base? How about a little LESS in tune with the conservative base and more open to some compromise with moderates and liberals?
Unfortunately, CMatt, this is not about what the Church really says, but about what some people would like it to say.Lapey, Seekerz explained to me somewhere back there that the Catholic Church says there can be proportional reason and the reasons don’t need to be the same for everyone. If there are none, then how can there be proportionate reasons the Church speaks about?.
Unfortunately, CMatt, this is not about what the Church really says, but about what some people would like it to say.
This is not a time for hiding heads in the sand and wishing the world worked the way we think it should work. This is a time for facing reality and modeling Christianity in the midst of that reality.
The hurlers of insults toward their Christian brethren, the vengeful bosses firing people in retaliation, the bitter media personalities…all need to come to terms with a world where neither political power, money or even religion can be used to control people. The means of spreading the Gospel on the other hand, remains what it has always been: living it for the world to see.