Conservatives call on GOP leaders to step down

[CMatt25]

You already know who the republican nominee is? News to me

Do you not think that is too old? She said in a recent WSJ she would not run again. Hillary Clinton will be 69 in 2016, if she were elected the end of her 1st term she would be 73 or 74. That is old to be commander in chief

Nope. You need to read all of my posts if you’re going to comment on what you think I know about the future, Abyssinia. See post 585.

Reagan was born in Feb 1911. He was 69 in 1980. Nearly 70 by the time he became Commander in Chief in Jan 1981. And he served as Commander in Chief for the following 8 yrs. .

 

[SuperLuigi]

I stated that Cory Booker would not be ready in 4 years.

Perhaps you haven’t watched his story or heard him speak. A very impressive young fellow.

I understand you are upset with how the election turned out but no need for the sharpness of your posts, at least with me. Bombastic expressions are more Rush Limbaugh like and not worthy of CAF, I am thinking.

Plus, you don’t normally respond like that- at least to me anyway. I put forumites in certain categories based on the tone they take in posts and I have found you to be generally level-headed, despite our political differences.

I think that Corey Booker might be too conservative for a democrat presidential candidate.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Hillary would be a tad old by then, especially when taken societal sexism/ageism into account. I am not sure she could take it. Biden- no way, and I like the guy- still he wouldn’t be a great choice.

I’m just glad we dodged the bullet this time.

You’re going to have to dig pretty deep into your ranks to find someone who is even electable on the national level and it will suit your party to have a very moderate, pro-life, pro-marriage candidate.

 

[ringil]

Wasn’t that program started to provide land line phones for indigents? I’m surprised it has evolved into a program which gives recipients 4g cell phones. Sounds a little generous to me.

I fully approve and think the cell phone plan is fabulous.

My, admittedly annoying MIL, has one. Have your seen these phones. They are no luxury. We live in a mobile world. An ability to contact others, especially in case of an emergency, is not luxury, it has become the norm.

 

[SuperLuigi]

The 60 vote majority was always a fallacy because the Democratic Party has people of varying views on things. Democrats do not walk in lockstep. Take healthcare for instance. Not all Democrats in the Senate at the time or who caucused with the Democrats were in favor of a strong public option. I don’t recall much support on any parts of healthcare though from the other side.

To give you a start how about Mr West calling Congressional members of the Democratic Party, Communists. Of course he said Democrat Party. But I realize though a certain segment of the electorate likes the tone of Mr West, Ishii. They seem to be the ones who challenge more moderate Republicans in primaries.

No matter which party had 60 seats, they would still be careful because it basically means elected officials represent areas not in line with their party or even their personal views.

 

[ringil]

You’re going to have to dig pretty deep into your ranks to find someone who is even electable on the national level and it will suit your party to have a very moderate, pro-life, pro-marriage candidate.

I don’t know who the Dems would choose. As I said earlier, Americans do not typically like to have more than 8 years with one party in the White House, plus, at this point, the Dems don’t have any “stars” who would be prepared to go for it.

I see the GOP taking 2016.

At this point, I am happy we have Obama.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

I fully approve and think the cell phone plan is fabulous.

My, admittedly annoying MIL, has one. Have your seen these phones. They are no luxury. We live in a mobile world. An ability to contact others, especially in case of an emergency, is not luxury, it has become the norm.

An ObamaPhone is probably not a horrible idea, but 4g is a bit much. Minimal phones with minimal minutes for only what is deemed necessary.

 

[CMatt25]

the purpose is to drive out misconceptions of what the Church truly is, misunderstandings of what She teaches, and believes.

I’m just going to assume then you and the new generation of clergy are teaching as well how the Catholic Church says one becomes a member and who is one. Based on their Baptisms not on whether they voted for Obama over the more conservative Romney. So there is no confusion among the laity about all teaching and what She believes. I think that’s great Deacon Lapey.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

I don’t know who the Dems would choose. As I said earlier, Americans do not typically like to have more than 8 years with one party in the White House, plus, at this point, the Dems don’t have any “stars” who would be prepared to go for it.

**I see the GOP taking 2016. **

At this point, I am happy we have Obama.

I hope you’re correct. I dread to think what shape the country will be in 2016.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

Hillary would be a tad old by then, especially when taken societal sexism/ageism into account. I am not sure she could take it. Biden- no way, and I like the guy- still he wouldn’t be a great choice.

I’m just glad we dodged the bullet this time.

I can’t imagine Hillary Clinton as President following eight years of Obama. Perish the thought. The United States will likely be the new Spain of North America.

 

[Tigg]

Yes I know this is the mantra of many today compared to the past. Maybe that’s the problem. The hierarchy today is saying something that it did not previously. I confess when I asked an Apostolic successor “who is a Catholic” it was decades ago. But my question which remains unanswered is if Catholic Church teaching considers these Catholic Obama voters members of the Catholic Church by virtue of their Baptisms which placed this indelible permanent mark upon their souls, albeit perhaps some are now non practicing, dissenting, unfaithful, how exactly do they leave? And something I meant to ask Tigg. What of the ones who are not sure if the Catholic Church is right. But also not sure She is wrong? Are they to leave too?

Long post, but I hope you read what I’ve written.

“How exactly do they leave?” As always, I get the sense that there’s something hidden in your question. But that indelible mark will be there, CMatt, when you face your judge, and no, it cannot be erased from your soul, anymore than unrepentant sins can. Haven’t those who have physically left by their non-participation in weekly liturgy and abandonment of the sacraments also spiritually left as well? They have freely turned their backs to the Church, - their total being, body and soul. Is that not “leaving?” No doubt there will be many baptized Catholics in hell, and I’ve often wondered if that mark of Baptism could very well serve to not only save, but to condemn as well, because of the rejection of that which holds eternal life, but of course, that’s just me speculating on the realm that belongs to Christ alone. And for those unsure? Are you going to go through your entire life sitting on the fence when the answers (albeit not the ones you want to hear) have already been given? Perhaps it’s not answers you need or even want, but faith in the word of God and a submission of mind, heart and will to the One providing those answers. Sincere struggle is one thing and certainly grace will be given if asked for, but indifference to the gift which has been already been given, is as hostile to the message of Christ as is outright attack against His Church. “I will spew the lukewarm out of My mouth…”

Another point is that a gift has been supernaturally given to Catholics who have embraced truth. Sensus fidei (sense of the faithful) keeps us from erring – it is a discernment of truth which cannot separate itself from the teaching Magisterium of the Church (led by the Spirit.) Think of the early Christians….newly baptized in their faith and being told by dissident bishops that Christ was not divine. Oh, how they knew better (because of FAITH) and they could, at that point, not dissent even though they knew they might face certain death. Heresy and a split from authentic teaching is simply not an option. And please remember the words of AB Sheen, “Catholics need to be merciless to the error in the minds of heretics” because that is the highest form of charity.

Now a question for you. (Next post.)

 

[Tigg]

CMatt, among Protestant denominations, every variety and scope of belief is allowed – the spectrum is huge and there is no authoritative standard to be upheld. A few Protestants support abortion; others are as opposed as Catholics. What I hear the liberal Obama Catholics (and you) saying is that the Church should not interfere in secular gov’t because of this diversity of faith, or for those who hold no faith at all; that no imposition should be placed upon society. (Remember I’m speaking only of Catholics who argue that sanctity of life issues are not primary, and claim they are Catholics in good faith who have formed their consciences according to Church teaching. And I’m not pushing for a theocracy here, only questioning those who claim membership in His Divine Church.)

I’m not judging their hearts, but my logic interprets this as pure nonsense and I refer to Pope Leo’s words that while not denying the will of God and acknowledging Him to be their greatest end, they nonetheless place restrictions upon His legislative authority over humankind (even to the extent of supporting politicians who promote evil actions.) They (believers in the faith) would dare to presume to define the nature and extent of their Creator’s rights, and place the secular world above their faith, and further, defend the state as the Arbiter of the common good over the very authority and providence of God. Rather than taking the rule from eternal law which God has enacted to His followers, and which neither can, nor should be separated, they have compartmentalized political ideology which goes against the dictates of right reason itself. What a rationalization and I for one, cannot begin to follow it. (If you have dis-avowed membership in the Church, I realize you cannot begin to answer this.)

 

[oldcelt]

I can’t imagine Hillary Clinton as President following eight years of Obama. Perish the thought. The United States will likely be the new Spain of North America.

As the Monty Python troop would say: Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition…

 

[ringil]

An ObamaPhone is probably not a horrible idea, but 4g is a bit much. Minimal phones with minimal minutes for only what is deemed necessary.

Well, I’ve seen my MIL’s and it looks like c#$%p. Maybe only the “new sign-up’s” get better phones. I have no idea. I honestly, and completely, do believe that the Government, either national or regional, has any interest in giving any poor personal more than what cost the Government the least to do.

My MIL, who makes $700 (I think) a month gets less than 100 dollars in food stamps, and no one can say that’s big bucks.

In short, the Government isn’t giving out “nice” phones because they personally want folks to have “nice” phones. They have no interest in “going beyond” in this regard.

I have received puclin assistance many years ago and have worked with folks on it.

 

[ringil]

I can’t imagine Hillary Clinton as President following eight years of Obama. Perish the thought. The United States will likely be the new Spain of North America.

(sigh)

Well, I do like Clinton as Sec. of State but I am still having a hard time forgiving her for her comment when facing Obama for the primaries.

“We’ve got the white vote”.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Nope. You need to read all of my posts if you’re going to comment on what you think I know about the future, Abyssinia. See post 585.

Reagan was born in Feb 1911. He was 69 in 1980. Nearly 70 by the time he became Commander in Chief in Jan 1981. And he served as Commander in Chief for the following 8 yrs. .

Times have changed, somebody on either political side who would be 69 and become president now would struggle to get support I think

 

[_Abyssinia]

Biden: candidacy in 2016 depends on economy

Vice President Joe Biden said on Friday it may not be worth pursuing a bid for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination if the economy “is not working.”

Biden’s comments acknowledge Americans are still dissatisfied with the economy, despite Obama’s reelection on Tuesday. They also underscore Democrat concerns that Obama’s vaunted ground game may not be transferable to future presidential candidates.

“There’s plenty of time to think about 2016,” Biden told the Wilmington News-Journal. “We’ve got to get this economy working. If three years from now the economy is not working, it’s not going to be worth doing much. This is all about making Barack an incredibly successful second-term president. That’s my focus.”
Biden’s comments are an admission that if Obama is not on the the ticket, the country will not elect a Democrat from the incumbent party if the economy continues to be miserable. Obama’s re-election was more about the cult of Obama than Americans affirmatively voting for a liberal agenda.

David Plouffe, one of Obama’s top advisers, conceded as much on Thursday, saying Obama’s campaign organization could not be transferred to a generic Democrat.

Plouffe said even the best voter lists or the “best technology” would not be effective in mobilizing voters if a candidate did not have an “emotional appeal” to supporters like Obama had in 2008 and 2012.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

Well, I’ve seen my MIL’s and it looks like c#$%p. Maybe only the “new sign-up’s” get better phones. I have no idea. I honestly, and completely, do believe that the Government, either national or regional, has any interest in giving any poor personal more than what cost the Government the least to do.

My MIL, who makes $700 (I think) a month gets less than 100 dollars in food stamps, and no one can say that’s big bucks.

In short, the Government isn’t giving out “nice” phones because they personally want folks to have “nice” phones. They have no interest in “going beyond” in this regard.

I have received puclin assistance many years ago and have worked with folks on it.

My 97 year-old Grandmother receives more that your Mother In Law in Social Security (she worked until she turned 90). She receives no other income and has a life estate in one of my Father’s properties after she sold her home. She has never accepted public assistance. She worked two jobs for about forty years before reducing her workload. I admire her greatly. I am implying nothing derogatory about your relative because I know nothing of her circumstances.

 

[CMatt25]

If you haven’t been in a Catholic Church in 7 months this is what I am talking about. You left because you didn’t like what you heard; I don’t by the “terrible priest” story that is what you used as your excuse to physically leave.

You have concluded something but not sure what.

Doesn’t OCAC still apply? Yes, and if anyone ever tells you differently let them know they are not truth full. If this is not true then the Church lies when She teaches of the indelible mark placed on the soul at baptism; and I don’t buy that. But that doesn’t mean you are a Catholic in good standing, one may also be excommunicated, but still Catholic. People will say you are not Catholic, but what they mean is not in good standing.

By the way, the trend in this generation has been to be baptized then never be brought to Mass anymore. Many of the younger generation will not be confirmed, many of the last generation have not been confirmed, and so to think that the 50% Catholic vote for Obama were confirmed Catholics is just wrong.

Hi Deacon, I concluded you did not want them to leave. The priest’s answer on the poor didn’t even occur this yr but wasn’t helpful to me along my faith journey. I know none of us on earth is perfect including the clergy. But then I have to ask myself what else could he be wrong on? It was just one thing though of my experiences that drive my faith on this lifelong journey I am on and where to worship Him. There are others. But most recently a reason I haven’t worshiped in a Catholic church in 7 mos was because of the political views expressed here and what posters kept informing the forum various clergy were saying about voting along with what I was hearing outside CAF in this regard. And I had to ask myself, do I want to attend worship there? I don’t believe God is a registered Republican or a Democrat. He knows neither party is perfect and I don’t believe He would suggest people must vote for one over the other. But that’s what I believe. I have let them know and that’s another reason. That has been detrimental to my faith journey as well. But I applaud you in your efforts here. It doesn’t matter to me anymore but if I were Catholic I’d be fine with being considered a not in good standing Catholic or non practicing or dissenting if that’s what I was. But if that’s what they mean then why shouldn’t they that? I do agree I should not have implied all 50% have been confirmed. Thank you for clarifying that. May God bless you Deacon for your efforts here and peace be with you.

 

[CMatt25]

An ObamaPhone is probably not a horrible idea, but 4g is a bit much. Minimal phones with minimal minutes for only what is deemed necessary.

FWIW my cell phone is not an ObamaPhone nor ReaganPhone nor 4G. Nor is it a smartphone. Just a standard old basic phone I pd for with a camera that I communicate with my family and a friend on because they like to text and some send me pix msgs on. Originally I was spending about $2.50 a month. Of course they text so much I had to add a text plan. Now I’m up to about $15. It’s beginning to act up though so I may be in the mkt for a new one soon. I need something with large text font though.