Construction on Border Wall Begins

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It will stop. All the money is going to be channelled into this NK thing.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
It will stop. All the money is going to be channelled into this NK thing
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Don’t see your logic, fighting NK is about getting planes in the air and shooting missiles from our stockpile.

The border wall is about union construction jobs
 
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It’s going to cost money to stop / deal with this thing.

The money for the wall has to come from somewhere too. Who is paying for it.

The money for military has to come from somewhere, weapons cost , as does manpower. Satellite technology. Etc.

You know at the moment there is only a two minute warning if an NK missile gets lobbed, to scramble a response to it. Right? For Seoul. Can’t be much more for Guam , Tokyo, or Okinawa.
 
They are going to be spending all their cash after the quakes flattened them. Rebuilding. 🙏🕊️
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Roseeurekacross said:
It’s going to cost money to stop / deal with this thing.

The money for the wall has to come from somewhere too. Who is paying for it.

The money for military has to come from somewhere, weapons cost , as does manpower. Satellite technology. Etc.

You know at the moment there is only a two minute warning if an NK missile gets lobbed, to scramble a response to it. Right? For Seoul. Can’t be much more for Guam , Tokyo, or Okinawa.
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We have systems that shoot down incoming missiles with virtually no advance notice. I’m confident they are already deployed to protect SK & Japan.

I would then expect a retaliatory response that decimated their ability to launch additional missiles, this would occur starting with 1-2 hrs of the NK missile launch. All of this is a sunk cost, we have them in inventory.

Expanding the wall isn’t that expensive but I suggest we follow Obama’s lead and just print more money. As the illegal population diminishes, we’ll also start to see saving in many welfare programs.
 
Yes, it’s quite concerning how this is going to play out, given the nukes. It’s also got to be very carefully managed just whereca nuke warhead is shot down.

For example, wherever it’s detonated is going to suffer nuke effects. And those effects won’t go away in a hurry. Trump has recently spoken of this concern, this risk. It’s all about risk management now.

Hmm, printing more money leads to gross inflation, historically. Perhaps artists can franchise sections of the wall each, for giant canvases.

As far as being Catholic, we are called to care for those without. How do we achieve our Christian mission, if people are homeless, starving, dirt poor, ill.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
As far as being Catholic, we are called to care for those without. How do we achieve our Christian mission, if people are homeless, starving, dirt poor, ill.
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Not sure if I follow this comment. Are you suggesting the US Govt is somehow responsible for Mexico?

The principle of subsidiarity says primarily we are responsible for our citizens and Mexico is responsible for their citizens. While we can provide guidance and help, we should not supplant the Mexican Govt.
 
I am asking, if any country, any person turns away someone in need, regardless of if that needy person is born there or not, how do we achieve our Christian call.

My country does the same thing. In fact trump said your country should be a lot more like us, in treating illegal immigrants, or as we call them, boat people.

Even Jesus , who came for the Jewish people first, extended His mission to the non Jews.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
I am asking, if any country, any person turns away someone in need, regardless of if that needy person is born there or not, how do we achieve our Christian call.

My country does the same thing. In fact trump said your country should be a lot more like us, in treating illegal immigrants, or as we call them, boat people.

Even Jesus , who came for the Jewish people first, extended His mission to the non Jews.
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It’s highly manipulative to conflate your players in this discussion.

As an individual, we should not turn our back on someone starving at our door. But that doesn’t mean we should condone illegal immigrants breaking our laws.

Our Govt is not turning it’s back on people by sending them back to their home country. Mexico may not be as rich as the USA but they are hardly in crisis, they have more than ample food and resources to care for their people.

When our neighbor countries are in crisis, we are always among the first to send food, medical aid, and essential resources. We have no history of turning our country’s back on our neighbors in need.
 
Mexico is a very wealthy country.

Among other things, they have huge amounts of oil.

But they are very very bad managers.

Maybe Mexico could improve their management skills.

Mexico also killed THOUSANDS of Catholic priests during their revolution.
 
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I have been to Mexico, it didn’t look that first world wealthy to me, regardless of Its nice beer.

So much killing and persecution of Catholics has gone on globally. Throughout history.
 
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Roseeurekacross said:
I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this comment. Care to explain?
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I thought I was fairly clear in how subsidiarity would apply.

You seemed to portray our illegal immigrants as starving and brutalized, when in truth they are virtually all economic migrants.

If you are concerned about crime and safety in Mexico, then try to fix the actual problem, donate your personal cash to support reform efforts there that would help all their populace and not just the very few economic migrants breaking our laws.
 
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Theo520 said:
I thought I was fairly clear in how subsidiarity would apply.

You seemed to portray our illegal immigrants as starving and brutalized, when in truth they are virtually all economic migrants.

If you are concerned about crime and safety in Mexico, then try to fix the actual problem, donate your personal cash to support reform efforts there that would help all their populace and not just the very few economic migrants breaking our laws.
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Also, there are safer areas of Mexico, there is nothing stopping people from moving from a dangerous area to a safer area. That would be perfectly legal and cost less than hiring a coyote.
 
From what I understand, during the Obama years while our economy had a sickly recovery Mexico’s economy has grown more dynamic, more tech-oriented and entrepreneurial. By all accounts their middle class is growing while ours is treading water.
 
tomarin said:
From what I understand, during the Obama years while our economy had a sickly recovery Mexico’s economy has grown more dynamic, more tech-oriented and entrepreneurial. By all accounts their middle class is growing while ours is treading water.
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The recession was a great business motivator to offshore to Mexico
 
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