'Consummatum Est'

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When Our Lord Jesus Christ uttered this statement on the Cross (John 19:30), what does Christ really mean?

Does He mean the end of sin or we are already saved from damnation. Or Christ is simply saying that HIs part already ends in saving the world?

What’s your position here brothers and sisters. Let’s discuss the best way we can, that is beneficial to everyone, tnx.
 
fredms3 said:
When Our Lord Jesus Christ uttered this statement on the Cross (John 19:30), what does Christ really mean?

Does He mean the end of sin or we are already saved from damnation. Or Christ is simply saying that HIs part already ends in saving the world?

What’s your position here brothers and sisters. Let’s discuss the best way we can, that is beneficial to everyone, tnx.
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I have always understood it to mean that Christ’s salvific act was completed, but I defer to sounder Biblical scholars on the topic.
 
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I have always understood it to mean that Christ’s salvific act was completed, but I defer to sounder Biblical scholars on the topic.
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Tnx for the response. In other words, our salvation is ours already, did i get it right?
 
If and when you receive your salvation, it is due to Christ’s sacrifice. But it’s not yours yet. Until your final judgement, you retain the free will to accept or reject God, so it cannot be said that you have your salvation already.
 
it is most likely talking about the passover. at the Jewish passover there were 4 cups that must be drank for the passover to be complete. most bible scholars assume that the Eucharist was instituted at the second and then after the third cup they went out to pray and jesus says that he will not drink of the fruit of the vine till he does so in heaven. he is offered wine a few times after that and he always refuses until right before he dies on the cross thus finishing the passover. this is what most bible scholars that i have listened to have said. jesus was the priest and sacrifice at his passover. hope this helps
 
underacloud said:
If and when you receive your salvation, it is due to Christ’s sacrifice. But it’s not yours yet. Until your final judgement, you retain the free will to accept or reject God, so it cannot be said that you have your salvation already.
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Shall we say then that the words uttered by Our Lord Jesus is for His part ‘it is finished’ yet not on our part?
 
fredms3 said:
Shall we say then that the words uttered by Our Lord Jesus is for His part ‘it is finished’ yet not on our part?
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His part in paying the price for sin is finished. His part in interceding to the Father for us is ongoing, as is our part to “work out your salvation with fear and trembling” (Philippians 2:12).

Keep in mind also that God is not subject to time in the same way that we are.
 
theblindlead said:
it is most likely talking about the passover. at the Jewish passover there were 4 cups that must be drank for the passover to be complete. most bible scholars assume that the Eucharist was instituted at the second and then after the third cup they went out to pray and jesus says that he will not drink of the fruit of the vine till he does so in heaven. he is offered wine a few times after that and he always refuses until right before he dies on the cross thus finishing the passover. this is what most bible scholars that i have listened to have said. jesus was the priest and sacrifice at his passover. hope this helps
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I’ve already read this interpretation. Would you know the link, May we request for it’s posting here, tnx.
 
underacloud said:
His part in paying the price for sin is finished. His part in interceding to the Father for us is ongoing, as is our part to “work out your salvation with fear and trembling” (Philippians 2:12).

Keep in mind also that God is not subject to time in the same way that we are.
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Oks, What do we mean when we say ‘paying the price for sin is finished’?

Do we mean that sin is already paid even up to the present time or what?
 
fredms3 said:
Oks, What do we mean when we say ‘paying the price for sin is finished’?

Do we mean that sin is already paid even up to the present time or what?
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Christ has paid the price for all sin on the cross. Every sin that you or I commit in the future may be forgiven through that one act. There is no further sacrifice needed.

But, like I said before, we need to be careful in playing word games with regard to time, as God is not subject to time in the same way that we are. Every mass said in the past, present, and future is connected with that event. Every sin that we commit today is a cause of that event, even though seemingly to us we are in time after it.

We might ask ourselves this difficult question: does a sin that I commit now cause Christ any greater suffering on the cross?
 
underacloud said:
Christ has paid the price for all sin on the cross. Every sin that you or I commit in the future may be forgiven through that one act. There is no further sacrifice needed.

But, like I said before, we need to be careful in playing word games with regard to time, as God is not subject to time in the same way that we are. Every mass said in the past, present, and future is connected with that event. Every sin that we commit today is a cause of that event, even though seemingly to us we are in time after it.

We might ask ourselves this difficult question: does a sin that I commit now cause Christ any greater suffering on the cross?
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No playing of words here. I understand the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is a complete act of redemption right?
 
fredms3 said:
No playing of words here. I understand the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is a complete act of redemption right?
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Sorry, I didn’t mean to suggest that you were…it was a collective we. We, as people, tend to think of Christ’s passion and death as an event a long time ago. But God is not bound by time in the same way that we are. There may be a sense in which Christ’s suffering and death is concurrent with all human sin.

Yes, the redemptive act was (is) completed.
 
fredms3 said:
Oks, What do we mean when we say ‘paying the price for sin is finished’?

Do we mean that sin is already paid even up to the present time or what?
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you have to remember that original sin CLOSED heaven. No one could enter heaven because no one had sanctifying grace (given to us through baptism and made possible by his sacrifice on the cross; renewed in through the Eucharist and replenished if needed through reconciliation).

Don’t fall into the mistake of thinking we our salvation is unconditional; because we can only accept salvation by accepting God. To accept God, we must take up our crosses and follow Him, keeping in mind that it is not always easy to keep the commandments of God.
 
fredms3 said:
No playing of words here. I understand the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is a complete act of redemption right?
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Yes it is, but that act of redemption continues through the Mass. Tread lightly with your questioning; you are sounding Lutheran :nope:
 
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