Contemplating Islam

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What would you say to a person who was contemplating Islam?
I really need some strong advice and hard facts!:confused:
 
Read this page for many good reasons to not convert.

There is plenty more in addition to that, of course, but what is there is a good start.
 
I would advise them to research all they can about it, talk to actual beleivers, and to research other religions at the same time… I think it takes a lot of time to truly understand a religion and I know that when I first started thinking about changing my religion islam was one of the ones I considered. I don’t agree with all of the morals taught in islam and that is a big thing for me, it took me a long time researching to find those things that I didn’t agree with however. I would reccomend that before someone takes such a life altering step as changing ones religion, they should be as well informed as possible and in todays society of instant information, there is no excuse for not getting all the facts. Learn all you can about it…and also try to find out why those who believe it is in error believe it is wrong. Never ever allow yourself to make a decision based on one side of the story.
 
Why would anyone want to join a religion that was started by a pedophile who said he intended to have sex with the Virgin Mary in paradise?
 
PureHeart said:
What would you say to a person who was contemplating Islam?
I really need some strong advice and hard facts!:confused:
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Here is a series of facts about different Islamic things that you won’t learn from a Muslim:

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Each is about 10 minutes long and I really recommend listening to them. We are not getting the truth about Islam from Muslims and our schools are teaching myths about Islam instead of the truth.

Please do not jump into Islam without full knowledge of what it is really about.
 
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Here is a chart on Jesus Christ in Christianity:
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**Look at the fruits of their action, not their words.

“Thus you will know them by their fruits.” (Mt 7:20)
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When the Christians are persecuted, do they call for bloodshed, “Jihad” or revenge, no we ask for forgiveness!

**Jesus taught us from the Cross; "And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” He did not call for revenge or retribution or killing!

Jesus asked for His Father to forgive those who murdered Him!!!1
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Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

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Tell them to compare the life of Muhammad and the life of Jesus. What similarities are there? What differences are there?

The fruits of the spirit are: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

Which of these fruits did Muhammad exhibit? Which of these fruits did Jesus exhibit?
 
PureHeart said:
What would you say to a person who was contemplating Islam?
I really need some strong advice and hard facts!:confused:
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Tell them to do serious comparative religious research from the sources of both religions - the hadith and Koran for Islam, the Bible and Church Fathers for Christianity. Then tell them to seriously consider the situations behind each one, and consider the timeline from Judaism to Islam. This is what I did, and brought some stark realities that took me out of my spiel in Islam. 😉
 
I am wondering what is the person’s needs in the first place to have an interest in Islam…I would think they might like checking into a secular institute that promotes the reading of the Liturgy of the Hours for am and night prayers. And they want to have a more contemplative focus at Mass, so I would also encourage them to attend a Latin or Maronite Mass…

And, I would also recommend they begin to read little books on virtues that were assembled by the monastic orders…

I think those interested in Islam want a more adoring, structured, and contemplative lifestyle…for garments…Mary’s…the Brown Scapular.

Find out what it is that is drawing them and see if you can find parallels in the Catholic faith as Mohammed drew on his life experiences living among Jews and Catholic Christians…I would think the Desert Fathers such as S. John Climacus would be good reading…

You may have an ascetic beginning to bud…
 
PureHeart said:
What would you say to a person who was contemplating Islam?
I really need some strong advice and hard facts!:confused:
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I guess I would say that person was hiding under a rock on a bright sunny Tuesday morning. :eek:
 
Islam’s claims are fairly wild IMO. Muhammad’s statements about how Allah first gave Judaism his love and the chance to be his chosen people only to walk away from him in favor of Christians who then became man-worshippers (Jesus) and finally Allah found favor with the Muslims, it just doesn’t jive with the Torah or NT.

Islam teaches that Ishmael was the favored son, not Isaac. Boloney. It teaches a warped version of the fall from grace in the Garden, a reverse story. It teaches a sketchy salvation history of bastardized stories from the Gospels and Old Testament with a touch of Muhammad’s take on things.

The way Islam treats women, the Martyr complex is unhealthy, the view of God is dark and depressing, and Sharia Law is full of honor killings, cruel punishments, prejudice, and other disturbing ideas.

Muhammad was a pedophile and a shaky character to say the least. He was also a war-monger.

My advice to one considering Islam? Don’t.
 
The most interesting aspect of Islam is that, unlike other religions, it is not named after its founder or the community and nation of its birth. Islam is an attributive title that signifies submission to God, Creator of the Universe. Whosoever possesses this attribute, may he or she belong to any race, community, country or clan is a Muslim. This includes the sun, moon, earth and stars since matter, energy and life all obey God’s laws and grow and change and live and die in accordance with those laws.

Islam teaches that all humans are innocent by birth and become sinful only when they consciously commit a sin. Sins are generally three types:

1.Those against God, by denying Him.
2.Against brotherhood
3.And against humanity.

Many people are surprised to find out that over 1400 years ago Islamic Law guaranteed rights to women that women in Europe and America only obtained in the 1900s. According to Islamic Law women have the right to:

1.own property, operate a business and receive equal pay for equal work
2.have total control of their wealth
3.marry whom they want
4.keep their own name when married
5.inherit property
6.have their marriage dissolved in the case of neglect or mistreatment

One problem people have with Islam is polygamy, which is a pre-Islamic practice. Islam actually put restrictions on the unrestricted polygamy of the Arabs of the time, and put many laws in place to protect the wellbeing of women, like ending the pagan Arab practice of killing their baby daughters when they were born.

Another problem people have is with the term Jihad, which many equate to holy war. But really, it’s an internal, personal struggle towards the attainment of a noble goal.

For a person born in the Western Culture, Islam may be hard to follow and seem strange but with understanding from research backed by proof a person can come to an understanding of why Islam is setup the way it is and finally come to submit (Islam) to the one true God. Even the Bible backs up that every knee shall bow down to God whether it wants to or not. The part where people say ….bow down and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord is not in the Bible and is made up.

We are all responsible for our own salvation, find out the truth before it is too late. Open your mind. Islam may not be right for you because a messenger was sent to all peoples, but Islam is the closest to being right.
 
elwill said:
The most interesting aspect of Islam is that, unlike other religions, it is not named after its founder or the community and nation of its birth. Islam is an attributive title that signifies submission to God, Creator of the Universe. Whosoever possesses this attribute, may he or she belong to any race, community, country or clan is a Muslim. This includes the sun, moon, earth and stars since matter, energy and life all obey God’s laws and grow and change and live and die in accordance with those laws.

Islam teaches that all humans are innocent by birth and become sinful only when they consciously commit a sin. Sins are generally three types:

1.Those against God, by denying Him.
2.Against brotherhood
3.And against humanity.

Many people are surprised to find out that over 1400 years ago Islamic Law guaranteed rights to women that women in Europe and America only obtained in the 1900s. According to Islamic Law women have the right to:

1.own property, operate a business and receive equal pay for equal work
2.have total control of their wealth
3.marry whom they want
4.keep their own name when married
5.inherit property
6.have their marriage dissolved in the case of neglect or mistreatment
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This is so misleading. Women can be ‘honor killed’ because in sharia laws there is no protection for her. She can be beaten because the koran sanctions it. She can be divorced easily by the man just saying ‘I divorce you’ three times. She cannot do anything without the consent of her husband and that means she has to get permission for any minute thing. There is no such thing as ‘safe houses’ under Islam because she is property of the men of her household - even her son(s).

If a man rapes her, or she looks at a man wrong (basically if she has an overly jealous husband, she can be killed. In the case of a rape, she has to have 4 witnesses to it or she is treated as if she is the perpetrator of the crime.

If she is a child she can be married off and is to be sexually abused at an early age. Basically pediphilia is sanctioned because Muhammed did it.
elwill said:
One problem people have with Islam is polygamy, which is a pre-Islamic practice. Islam actually put restrictions on the unrestricted polygamy of the Arabs of the time, and put many laws in place to protect the wellbeing of women, like ending the pagan Arab practice of killing their baby daughters when they were born.
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Nonie Darwish tries to tell people in her book, Now They Call Me Infidel, about the harm of polygamy. The jealousy between wives, the effects of it on the children including the sons. And too often we are seeing in our countries that they are nothing but welfare moms because the man cannot possibly support all their wives. We saw that example a couple of years ago when in NYC a house burned down with a lot of women and children in it. It was a polygamous situation. Unlawful here in the states, but some don’t care and do it anyway.
elwill said:
Another problem people have is with the term Jihad, which many equate to holy war. But really, it’s an internal, personal struggle towards the attainment of a noble goal.
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This is part of what they call dualism in Islam. The koran has both of these definitions of Jihad in it - the violence against the unbeliever being sanctioned as holy, and also it being defined as an ‘inner struggle’. Muslims use whichever definition suits their needs in this dualistic religion.

And here are some things about Jihad you won’t hear when they are trying to ‘hook you’: jihad is taught as violent 97% of the time in islamic textss, while that ‘inner struggle’ is only 3% of jihad.
elwill said:
For a person born in the Western Culture, Islam may be hard to follow and seem strange but with understanding from research backed by proof a person can come to an understanding of why Islam is setup the way it is and finally come to submit (Islam) to the one true God. Even the Bible backs up that every knee shall bow down to God whether it wants to or not. The part where people say ….bow down and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord is not in the Bible and is made up.

We are all responsible for our own salvation, find out the truth before it is too late. Open your mind. Islam may not be right for you because a messenger was sent to all peoples, but Islam is the closest to being right.
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Islam is strange because not only what I stated above, but some things that you won’t hear from Muslims are things like deception being fully sanctioned in Islam.
  • The parts of the Koran they tell you that is peaceful were abrogated, or replaced. This being a dualistic religion, like I stated above, they use whatever surah is best at the time. And since there is no order to the Koran it is hard to tell which is which (well, unless they are blatantly violent).
  • sharia laws sanction slavery and pediphilia.
  • Islam is just as much a religion as it is a political movement, and it exerts control even over you going to the bathroom, and some things you do in bed. (which Muhammed didn’t even obey - he laid down some rules and then promptly broke them) here is a good little writeup on that.
  • killing, torturing, stealing from, and deceiving unbelievers is ok under sharia laws which muslims obey as much as they can even in countries that are not totally controlled by them - and they work to making them the laws of the land to replace ours
  • all muslims must pay zakat (muslim charity) and that one of its targets are jihadists and their families who kill, torture, etc unbelievers.
  • they don’t tell you that lands not under sharia laws are considered the realm of war (dar al harb) and they strive to get sharia laws in place. Since Jihad is neverending, they work towards that end no matter how long it takes.
Here is a book that was just put out that would help anyone understand what they are getting into with Islam. The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Islam’s claims are fairly wild IMO. Muhammad’s statements about how Allah first gave Judaism his love and the chance to be his chosen people only to walk away from him in favor of Christians who then became man-worshippers (Jesus) and finally Allah found favor with the Muslims, it just doesn’t jive with the Torah or NT.

Islam teaches that Ishmael was the favored son, not Isaac. Boloney. It teaches a warped version of the fall from grace in the Garden, a reverse story. It teaches a sketchy salvation history of bastardized stories from the Gospels and Old Testament with a touch of Muhammad’s take on things.

The way Islam treats women, the Martyr complex is unhealthy, the view of God is dark and depressing, and Sharia Law is full of honor killings, cruel punishments, prejudice, and other disturbing ideas.

Muhammad was a pedophile and a shaky character to say the least. He was also a war-monger.

My advice to one considering Islam? Don’t.
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You might like this article. Muhammed made these rules up about sex, and then broke them.

It is all in their own texts. 😃
 
I would say that anyone contemplating Islam, they should think about these words from one of the kidnappers that belonged to the Abu Sayaff group in the Philippines about Sabaya, the (now dead) leader of the Abu Sayaff, ‘You know Sabaya?
Sabaya is a really bad guy. There is nothing good about Sabaya. Sabaya has to be in jihad because it is the only way for him to get into heaven is for him to die in holy war.’

What kind of a religion is this? deception, killing for a god? Our lands are dar al harb - lands of war just because we are not muslims?

Sabaya was the guy who kidnapped a number of people, the most notable was a married couple and the woman was able to escape, but the man didn’t and ended out being beheaded. I do not remember their names, but it was on TV. Our troops helped the Philippino troops finally nab Sabayya.
 
staffsgt7 said:
This is so misleading. Women can be ‘honor killed’ because in sharia laws there is no protection for her. She can be beaten because the koran sanctions it. She can be divorced easily by the man just saying ‘I divorce you’ three times. She cannot do anything without the consent of her husband and that means she has to get permission for any minute thing. There is no such thing as ‘safe houses’ under Islam because she is property of the men of her household - even her son(s).

If a man rapes her, or she looks at a man wrong (basically if she has an overly jealous husband, she can be killed. In the case of a rape, she has to have 4 witnesses to it or she is treated as if she is the perpetrator of the crime.

If she is a child she can be married off and is to be sexually abused at an early age. Basically pediphilia is sanctioned because Muhammed did it.

Nonie Darwish tries to tell people in her book, Now They Call Me Infidel, about the harm of polygamy. The jealousy between wives, the effects of it on the children including the sons. And too often we are seeing in our countries that they are nothing but welfare moms because the man cannot possibly support all their wives. We saw that example a couple of years ago when in NYC a house burned down with a lot of women and children in it. It was a polygamous situation. Unlawful here in the states, but some don’t care and do it anyway.

This is part of what they call dualism in Islam. The koran has both of these definitions of Jihad in it - the violence against the unbeliever being sanctioned as holy, and also it being defined as an ‘inner struggle’. Muslims use whichever definition suits their needs in this dualistic religion.

And here are some things about Jihad you won’t hear when they are trying to ‘hook you’: jihad is taught as violent 97% of the time in islamic textss, while that ‘inner struggle’ is only 3% of jihad.

Islam is strange because not only what I stated above, but some things that you won’t hear from Muslims are things like deception being fully sanctioned in Islam.
  • The parts of the Koran they tell you that is peaceful were abrogated, or replaced. This being a dualistic religion, like I stated above, they use whatever surah is best at the time. And since there is no order to the Koran it is hard to tell which is which (well, unless they are blatantly violent).
  • sharia laws sanction slavery and pediphilia.
  • Islam is just as much a religion as it is a political movement, and it exerts control even over you going to the bathroom, and some things you do in bed. (which Muhammed didn’t even obey - he laid down some rules and then promptly broke them) here is a good little writeup on that.
  • killing, torturing, stealing from, and deceiving unbelievers is ok under sharia laws which muslims obey as much as they can even in countries that are not totally controlled by them - and they work to making them the laws of the land to replace ours
  • all muslims must pay zakat (muslim charity) and that one of its targets are jihadists and their families who kill, torture, etc unbelievers.
  • they don’t tell you that lands not under sharia laws are considered the realm of war (dar al harb) and they strive to get sharia laws in place. Since Jihad is neverending, they work towards that end no matter how long it takes.
Here is a book that was just put out that would help anyone understand what they are getting into with Islam. The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran
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Excellent response! Islam is all about deception and yet there are many westerners who are infatuated by its very public and outward display of piety. That is nothing but a smokescreen to take in the unwary. They refuse to see what’s behind all that.

See “Islam is the Enemy of Freedom” by Iranian ex-Muslim Amil Imani.

Vickie
 
elwill said:
The most interesting aspect of Islam is that, unlike other religions, it is not named after its founder or the community and nation of its birth. Islam is an attributive title that signifies submission to God, Creator of the Universe. Whosoever possesses this attribute, may he or she belong to any race, community, country or clan is a Muslim. This includes the sun, moon, earth and stars since matter, energy and life all obey God’s laws and grow and change and live and die in accordance with those laws.

Islam teaches that all humans are innocent by birth and become sinful only when they consciously commit a sin. Sins are generally three types:

1.Those against God, by denying Him.
2.Against brotherhood
3.And against humanity.

Many people are surprised to find out that over 1400 years ago Islamic Law guaranteed rights to women that women in Europe and America only obtained in the 1900s. According to Islamic Law women have the right to:

1.own property, operate a business and receive equal pay for equal work
2.have total control of their wealth
3.marry whom they want
4.keep their own name when married
5.inherit property
6.have their marriage dissolved in the case of neglect or mistreatment

One problem people have with Islam is polygamy, which is a pre-Islamic practice. Islam actually put restrictions on the unrestricted polygamy of the Arabs of the time, and put many laws in place to protect the wellbeing of women, like ending the pagan Arab practice of killing their baby daughters when they were born.

Another problem people have is with the term Jihad, which many equate to holy war. But really, it’s an internal, personal struggle towards the attainment of a noble goal.

For a person born in the Western Culture, Islam may be hard to follow and seem strange but with understanding from research backed by proof a person can come to an understanding of why Islam is setup the way it is and finally come to submit (Islam) to the one true God. Even the Bible backs up that every knee shall bow down to God whether it wants to or not. The part where people say ….bow down and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord is not in the Bible and is made up.

We are all responsible for our own salvation, find out the truth before it is too late. Open your mind. Islam may not be right for you because a messenger was sent to all peoples, but Islam is the closest to being right.
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The religion may not be named after Muhammad but it’s all about him all the same. He made himself Allah’s partner and made sure that obeying him was the same as obeying Allah! He redefined sin and whenever he wanted something, he conveniently received a “revelation” from his alter ego Allah!

Islam is not “right” as you call it. Only someone incapable of telling the difference between good and evil would claim that.

Vickie
 
Booklover said:
The religion may not be named after Muhammad but it’s all about him all the same. He made himself Allah’s partner and made sure that obeying him was the same as obeying Allah! He redefined sin and whenever he wanted something, he conveniently received a “revelation” from his alter ego Allah!

Islam is not “right” as you call it. Only someone incapable of telling the difference between good and evil would claim that.

Vickie
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To know Islam one must know Muhammed. Muhammed=Islam. And unfortunately Muhammed was not a very moral guy AFTER he invented Islam. And he would justify his immoral behavior by his god that he invented. It was like he was giving all his followers an out for their atrocious behavior by saying ‘god made me do it’.

And sin is according to what Muhammed defined it as being. And because he hated Jews, and anyone who disagreed with him, he didn’t include doing atrocious things to unbelievers as being sinful and instead wrapped holiness and salvation around them.

I think that Muslims have been duped. It is the biggest scam this world has ever seen.
 
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