Contemporary music at mass

[Xantippe]

Indeed. Well spotted, or heard. It’s called ‘musical painting’. The dissonances represent the Pharisees but they resolve (sound more normal) to reflect John’s conviction and responses. The passage cited is about challenge and resolution and the music reflects that, adding an extra dimension. It’s amazing how much data the human brain can process from a single sense, in this case hearing.

Thanks!

We’re (at least non-musicians) used to thinking of traditional Western music as being melodious, but it’s interesting to see that dissonance has a traditional role, even in sacred music.

I believe my teen’s music teacher once mentioned to us that dissonance was also used in medieval European music.

 

[Debbie_Kono]

Thank you for reading it Deacon. I’m truly sorry you find the good priest not credible. I pray God blesses you this day.

 

[Hereiam]

Besides Jesus, name me one…you can get back to me…but, the incarnation was to address the fact that with the fall, the very nature of man has become worldly.

 

[TheLittleLady]

A woman went to five parishes seeking absolution for the sin of homosexuality. (Father didn’t give details, but I’m hoping the woman realized her sin and repented and then sought absolution). The five priests she visited previously would not absolve her. Told her it was who she was and not a sin. Thankfully she persevered and found our parish.

Praying that the priest made this story up to prove a point, because if it is true he is playing fast and loose with the seal of the confession

 

[anikins]

Tradition is what holds Catholicism together.

Love and faith is what holds Catholicism together.

If someone playing the guitar causes you issues with focusing on the mass, I think you are too easily distracted, personally. The mass is celebrated all over the world with instruments from all over the world. Your taste is yours alone, not the Church’s.

 

[Walking_Home]

Debbie_Kono:

A woman went to five parishes seeking absolution for the sin of homosexuality. (Father didn’t give details, but I’m hoping the woman realized her sin and repented and then sought absolution).

Aside from the issue that experiencing homosexual inclinations is not a sin, it’s very bad of your priest to include a specific story of confession. Others here will know better than me, but your priest has probably violated canon law, as well as discouraging others in your parish from going to confession and risking having their issues trumpeted from the altar.

I hope his bishop finds out about this.

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Yes-- it’s troubling.

 

[Debbie_Kono]

I was still in RCIA when I heard the sermon about this woman. At the time I heard it I was under the impression the person had acted on her SSA, but I won’t be dishonest and say I remember for certain Father said she did. All I remember is that she sought absolution for the sin of homosexuality. I’m certain Father knows the teaching of the Church well enough and knows that one has to act on his/her SSA in order for it to be sinful. For all I know he may have gotten permission from this person to relay her story in order to reveal the level of corruption in the Church. And/or he may have said the person was a she and in reality was a he in order to protect his/her identity. The person’s identity was never revealed…only the liberal corruption within the Church was.

I’d also like to point out that liberal Catholics, modernists and PF constantly pull out the pharisee card to shut up conservatives…seems to me the indignation some have about what this priest said, keeping in mind he in no way revealed who the person was, smacks of straight up pharisaism.

 

[exnihilo]

It is my understanding that a priest can relate generic information about a confession, but they can’t relate any information that might identify a person. What identifies a person would depend on the specific circumstances. At least this is my understanding.

 

[Debbie_Kono]

Thank you exnihilo. I didn’t know for sure…but it certainly didn’t sound to me like he did anything wrong…well except shed light where it needing shedding.

 

[CharlesFulkerson]

I 100% disagree, Especially considering that a guitar is older than an organ and organs have been used in the same genres as guitars. And very frequently at that. The guitar was invented in Spain hundreds of years ago and has been a time tested instrument. It is far from “contemporary”. Especially considering that most modern music has(sadly. I HATE rap and all that fake music) does not use any REAL instruments than I think it is a good escape from the world. Also the masses that use these styles of music are normally the ones aimed at teens. If you played an organ and started chanting to them they would probably leave. Just my opinion.

 

[Xantippe]

It is my understanding that a priest can relate generic information about a confession, but they can’t relate any information that might identify a person. What identifies a person would depend on the specific circumstances. At least this is my understanding.

It might technically be on the right side of the rules, but pastorally be problematic.

I know I once heard a former pastor mentioning a situation in a sermon that sounded a lot like something that he had been told in confidence. I was not thrilled, and it would certainly make me rethink speaking to him about any sensitive issue.

 

[Debbie_Kono]

The sermon was to reveal the corruption within the Church…NOT the sins of a repentant sinner.

 

[CharlesFulkerson]

I must differ that music is more than just sound. It is a path to the soul and a path out for emotions and the such. Music is what has saved my life multiple times over. Not a sound that I absently listen to.

 

[Walking_Home]

exnihilo:

It is my understanding that a priest can relate generic information about a confession, but they can’t relate any information that might identify a person. What identifies a person would depend on the specific circumstances. At least this is my understanding.

It might technically be on the right side of the rules, but pastorally be problematic.

I know I once heard a former pastor mentioning a situation in a sermon that sounded a lot like something that he had been told in confidence. I was not thrilled, and it would certainly make me rethink speaking to him about any sensitive issue.

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I agree. I would not be at all comfortable – going to/confessing to a priest – that even leaving out identifying info–uses what he hears in confession.

 

[Walking_Home]

Well – he sure did use the woman’s supposed sin-- didn’t he.

 

[CharlesFulkerson]

Is your user name a Pantera reference? You know like the “walk on home boy” at the end of walk?

 

[exnihilo]

I agree. I would not be at all comfortable – going to/confessing to a priest – that even leaving out identifying info–uses what he hears in confession.

If a priest said something like how much he hears confessed a common sin I wouldn’t have a problem. I mean if he said lots of people struggle with gossip would you be worried?

 

[CharlesFulkerson]

I do not see what is “strange” about this music. I go to church and hear kinda poppy songs with rock influence. However if I go to the morning mass I hear piano and choral vocals. of course I would consider that music as strange styles (I love the lyrics though.) but that is because I listen to metal. If a person today would go into a church and hear chanting he would probably find that strange. Its all opinion. And the fact that time is changing. Gods not going to send us to hell because we worship him with “strange” music. I actually like to think of God as a metal head so…

 

[Debbie_Kono]

Well – he sure did use the woman’s supposed sin-- didn’t he.

Take a look around. The Pope refuses to answer the dubia. And what is at the heart of the dubia? Communion for adulterers (sexual sin). How was Father to shed light on the corruption without revealing priests who refused absolution for a person with a sexual sin?

We have been warned via Fatima, Akita and Our Lady of Revelation. Of course you are free to ignore these warnings…but I personally think that would not be wise.

 

[Walking_Home]

Is your user name a Pantera reference? You know like the “walk on home boy” at the end of walk?

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If you are asking me – don’t know what a Pantera is.

Ok – I just googled Pantera. No – my name has nothing to do with the band.