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Walking_Home
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We don’t do the fundamentalist protestant – interpretation of scripture.
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whyeyeman
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Scripture is infallible. This has no other possible interpretation.
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Walking_Home
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A priest and/or deacon have been given the extra Graces via their ordination. The same cannot be said about a layman.
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Debbie_Kono
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I would assume your studies on the history of music are secular rather than via Traditional Catholicism, so coming to different conclusions is understandable. Regardless of which influences which, the video I posted talks of the origins of different types of music. Jazz for instance was influenced and has origins in voodooism. Wether rock and roll shaped the culture or the culture shaped the music…the results were catastrophic and the sexual revolution was born. Coincidence? Maybe, but I doubt it. Since you are interested in the history of music, I would suggest maybe you listen to the video and decide for yourself if what is said is correct, incorrect or even important.To say that music changes culture is fundamentally flawed. Music has been and always will be a reflection of culture.
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exnihilo
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21 Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22 Wives, be subject to your husbands as you are to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church, the body of which he is the Saviour. 24 Just as the church is subject to Christ, so also wives ought to be, in everything, to their husbands.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 in order to make her holy by cleansing her with the washing of water by the word, 27 so as to present the church to himself in splendour, without a spot or wrinkle or anything of the kind—yes, so that she may be holy and without blemish. 28 In the same way, husbands should love their wives as they do their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hates his own body, but he nourishes and tenderly cares for it, just as Christ does for the church, 30 because we are members of his body. 31 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.’ 32 This is a great mystery, and I am applying it to Christ and the church. 33 Each of you, however, should love his wife as himself, and a wife should respect her husband. - Ephesians
St. Paul clearly lays out how marriage works. Now, those that see this as only the man is in charge aren’t paying attention and approach the teaching with a unholy bias.
22 Wives, be subject to your husbands as you are to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church, the body of which he is the Saviour. 24 Just as the church is subject to Christ, so also wives ought to be, in everything, to their husbands.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 in order to make her holy by cleansing her with the washing of water by the word, 27 so as to present the church to himself in splendour, without a spot or wrinkle or anything of the kind—yes, so that she may be holy and without blemish. 28 In the same way, husbands should love their wives as they do their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hates his own body, but he nourishes and tenderly cares for it, just as Christ does for the church, 30 because we are members of his body. 31 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.’ 32 This is a great mystery, and I am applying it to Christ and the church. 33 Each of you, however, should love his wife as himself, and a wife should respect her husband. - Ephesians
St. Paul clearly lays out how marriage works. Now, those that see this as only the man is in charge aren’t paying attention and approach the teaching with a unholy bias.
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alice24
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Exactly. His office he was vocated to fill has this grace within, not he personally.
Tis_Bearself
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Used incorrectly, it can also drive people apart. There is a place in the Church for both the GregorIan chant and the kid twanging a guitar. What’s important is that both groups of people listening to both types of music are loving and worshipping God in our Church. It’s about inclusion, not turning back the clock to the tenth century.Tradition is what holds Catholicism together.
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exnihilo
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A husband has been given extra graces via his entering into the sacrament of marriage. This is basic Catholic teaching.
But your answer doesn’t change the fact you argue that if men have some extra grace over women that is unfair and wrong. So you argue against the priesthood.
But your answer doesn’t change the fact you argue that if men have some extra grace over women that is unfair and wrong. So you argue against the priesthood.
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exnihilo
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Just like the office of husband does.
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alice24
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No. The state of marriage is not an office, not as priesthood. This is simply wrong.
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whyeyeman
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What’s wrong with going back to the 10th century? From a Catholic perspective, everyone was more religious, the church was more or less united, everything was dandy.
The only problem with the 10th century was that people weren’t materially wealthy. However, I don’t care about material wealth, I care about spiritual wealth.
The only problem with the 10th century was that people weren’t materially wealthy. However, I don’t care about material wealth, I care about spiritual wealth.
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RandomAlias
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The imperfection of man and the world is certainly a part of it, but imperfect does not mean all bad. In your original post, you wrote of “the three enemies of the soul.” There may be more than three, and it may not even be possible to enumerate all the enemies of the soul, but I don’t think the world and the flesh are to be regarded as enemies because there is good to be found in them.Isn’t the whole point of Christianity that mankind has been corrupted by original sin?
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Walking_Home
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Submission is not one sided – it goes both ways.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
Catechism of the Catholic Church
The grace of the sacrament of Matrimony
1642 Christ is the source of this grace. "Just as of old God encountered his people with a covenant of love and fidelity, so our Savior, the spouse of the Church, now encounters Christian spouses through the sacrament of Matrimony."149 Christ dwells with them, gives them the strength to take up their crosses and so follow him, to rise again after they have fallen, to forgive one another, to bear one another’s burdens, to “be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ,” 150 and to love one another with supernatural, tender, and fruitful love. In the joys of their love and family life he gives them here on earth a foretaste of the wedding feast of the Lamb:
Code:How can I ever express the happiness of a marriage joined by the Church, strengthened by an offering, sealed by a blessing, announced by angels, and ratified by the Father? . . . How wonderful the bond between two believers, now one in hope, one in desire, one in discipline, one in the same service! They are both children of one Father and servants of the same Master, undivided in spirit and flesh, truly two in one flesh. Where the flesh is one, one also is the spirit.151
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RandomAlias
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I am not sure that everything was dandy. There was sin, in some ways worse than today.What’s wrong with going back to the 10th century? From a Catholic perspective, everyone was more religious, the church was more or less united, everything was dandy.
Sorry everyone, I am going to slip out of the conversation and the forum, not that I don’t enjoy it, but I have gotten a little behind in my work. See you in a few days maybe. God bless.
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exnihilo
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No, it is an office. That is why you have the husband and wife. You don’t have husband and husband, or husband, wife and wife.
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exnihilo
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But the husband is the head of the family. It says this plainly in Holy Scripture and has been the constant teaching of the Church.
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Walking_Home
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I have fully given credit to the Graces of priesthood/diaconate.
Marriage does not give the layman some kind of “self” ordination.
Marriage does not give the layman some kind of “self” ordination.
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twf
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That is true. But when I was a teen it was tradition and substance that I longed for… which drew me to the Catholic Church much to the horror of family and loved ones. The same has been true of my brother ten years my junior… the “praise and worship” type environment of Evangelical churches turned him off, and if that had been what he found in the local Catholic parishes he would have been stuck. I feel many are of the opinion that teens and young adults ONLY want loud praise and worship music and fail to offer anything else.
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Xantippe
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–no FranciscansWhat’s wrong with going back to the 10th century? From a Catholic perspective, everyone was more religious, the church was more or less united, everything was dandy.
The only problem with the 10th century was that people weren’t materially wealthy. However, I don’t care about material wealth, I care about spiritual wealth.
–no Dominicans
–no seminaries
–no Roman Catholic presence outside Europe
–no subSaharan African Christianity (am I right about that?)
–no Christianity in the Western Hemisphere
–no East Asian Christianity
–no Gothic cathedrals
–no Dante
–no Palestrina
–no Fra Angelico
–etc., etc.
–and lastly–no internet to have this conversation on!
I earnestly suggest that you pick up some books (as pious as you like) on the history of the Western Church. Biographies are especially good. The more you read, the more you’ll realize that there have always been sin and struggles. You may remember the following conversation from Lord of the Rings:
“‘I wish it need not have happened in my time,’ said Frodo. ‘So do I,’ said Gandalf, ‘and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.’”
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alice24
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You misunderstood “office”. It´s an legal term that is strictly defined, sorry. You bare wrong with that. A sacrament is not an office, not necessary.
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