Contraception Ban: Be fruitful and overpopulate?

[WanderAimlessly]

Science tained by an agenda ceases to be science. Examples: over-population and global warming.

 

[Sr_Sally]

Haven’t read all the answers yet, but if the church’s other directions were also followed, we’d be fine. Those directions in particular that say
only married couples get to have sex,
couples should prepare for marriage beforehand,
that divorce should be rare if not non-existent (because of the preparation),
that babies shouldn’t be made thorough artificial insemination, egg-donors, hormonal enhancements, surragote wombs, etc.

If we followed all of those rules also (world-wide, just like your banned contraceptives would be), fertility rates would even out.

The church’s other directives about humility and a preferrential treatment for the poor would also probably rein in our over-abundant lifestyle. No, I’m sure we wouldn’t go back to the dark ages, but we’d also not think that each house should have 4 or 5 TVs. Driving huge cars wouldn’t stoke our egos. No one would “need” 50 pairs of shoes. Yes, maybe the world economy would slow down a bit without over-active consumers in the USA and Japan (and other places), but our copper supply would definately last longer!

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Science tained by an agenda ceases to be science. Examples: over-population and global warming.

I like how a climatologist at NASA put it.

Yes, we appear to be in a warming trend. Our planet has been in warming and cooling trends for thousands of millenia. Who gets to be the authority to declare that the present climate conditions are the optimal conditions for the planet? Maybe the planet is cold and it is warming up to its ideal.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Haven’t read all the answers yet, but if the church’s other directions were also followed, we’d be fine. Those directions in particular that say
only married couples get to have sex,
couples should prepare for marriage beforehand,
that divorce should be rare if not non-existent (because of the preparation),
that babies shouldn’t be made thorough artificial insemination, egg-donors, hormonal enhancements, surragote wombs, etc.

If we followed all of those rules also (world-wide, just like your banned contraceptives would be), fertility rates would even out.

The church’s other directives about humility and a preferrential treatment for the poor would also probably rein in our over-abundant lifestyle. No, I’m sure we wouldn’t go back to the dark ages, but we’d also not think that each house should have 4 or 5 TVs. Driving huge cars wouldn’t stoke our egos. No one would “need” 50 pairs of shoes. Yes, maybe the world economy would slow down a bit without over-active consumers in the USA and Japan (and other places), but our copper supply would definately last longer!

I’d rather live in a cabin by a lake and grow, catch, or kill my own food anyway.

 

[Jestocost]

(Did you know that the world has only a 61 years supply of Copper left?).

Are you familiar with the Simon Ehrlich wager?

When I was in grade school in the late 70’s they brought in these big scoreboard looking things which “proved” that we were going to run out of oil by 1990. If we subscribed to their political agenda, it could maybe last until 2000, 2005 tops. I’ve been rather sceptical of these types of claims since. Especially if they use a computer to “prove” it.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Are you familiar with the Simon Ehrlich wager?

When I was in grade school in the late 70’s they brought in these big scoreboard looking things which “proved” that we were going to run out of oil by 1990. If we subscribed to their political agenda, it could maybe last until 2000, 2005 tops. I’ve been rather sceptical of these types of claims since. Especially if they use a computer to “prove” it.

Right, and in 2006, they found what they believe to be the world’s largest oil reserves in the Gulf of Mexico, not to mention the untapped oil sand fields in Canada.

 

[Genesis315]

Some of the posts in this thread remind me of a prophecy by St. Anthony of the Desert in the 4th Century:

“Men will surrender to the spirit of the age. They will say that if they had lived in our day, faith would be simple and easy. But in their day, they will say, things are complex; the Church must be brought up to date and made meaningful to the day’s problems. When the Church and the world are one, then those days are at hand.”

 

[metal1633]

The population density of Manhatten is 69,877 people per square mile. Montana has 147,046 square miles. With the same population density of Manhatten, you have room for 10.275 billion people in Montana. A City the size of Montana, the farms of the midwest to feed them all and the rest of the world empty.

We are not over populated.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

The population density of Manhatten is 69,877 people per square mile. Montana has 147,046 square miles. With the same population density of Manhatten, you have room for 10.275 billion people in Montana. A City the size of Montana, the farms of the midwest to feed them all and the rest of the world empty.

We are not over populated.

So what you are saying is that if we packed people into Montana like they are in Manhatten, then we could fit the entire world’s population, and have space for about 3 billion more, then have the rest of the planet to use for farming, and whatnot?

Sounds good, lets get crackin’.

 

[mercygate]

So what you are saying is that if we packed people into Montana like they are in Manhatten, then we could fit the entire world’s population, and have space for about 3 billion more, then have the rest of the planet to use for farming, and whatnot?

Sounds good, lets get crackin’.

Good grief, Scott! THINK of the traffic jams it would cause in the Dakotas, Wyoming, and Idaho!

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Good grief, Scott! THINK of the traffic jams it would cause in the Dakotas, Wyoming, and Idaho!

Nobody said nothing about using cars. All transportation will be on foot or by light rail powered by nuclear energy. Gotta think green y’know.

 

[lukewarm]

Nobody said nothing about using cars. All transportation will be on foot or by light rail powered by nuclear energy. Gotta thing green y’know.

So if I live downtown and work uptown that would be like going from Babb to Gardener everyday?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

So if I live downtown and work uptown that would be like going from Babb to Gardener everyday?

Na, implement a mandatory telecommuting rule where practical. Obvious, this won’t work for doctors…but then again, we could just put a medical clinic in all of the residential dormatories.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Too many people → food supplies decrease → death rate increases and birth rate decreases → population decline

Nature regulates itself.

 

[Teflon93]

If I’m ignorant of some vital aspect to the whole contraception issue, I apologize in advance, but…

With a near exponentially-increasing world population (now I hear we’re supposed to hit 8-billion-or-so by 2050), eventually we’re going to hit the point where the divine mandate to “Be fruitful and multiply” will be – in my opinion – overfulfilled. One way or another, humans are going to become their own parasite, and overpopulation (yes, that it is what this thread is all about) will need to be combatted if we are to obey the other famous mandate to be good stewards of the earth. Of course, I doubt anyone’s approach to this would seriously be to stop having sex, on a account of how big it is in the functioning of the human being (as well as the whole husband-wife-union bonding deal).

So inevitably, it’s going to get to the point where banning artificial contraception would be ludicrous, so why promote such a thing now? Can doctrines only be temporary?

Or, is everyone just secretly hoping the world ends within the next fifty years so we can forget all our silly little planetary/natural resource limitations (Did you know that the world has only a 61 years supply of Copper left?).

Let’s be careful here, because the population scare has resulted in a lot of people being woefully misinformed thanks to propagandizing in the 70s.

All of the world’s 6 billion people would fit comfortably within the state of Texas wwith a 10 x 10 ft block to themselves, if I recall correctly. The rest of the world would be utterly empty.

There’s a LOOOONG way to go to fill up the Earth, much less use up its resources.

There is a lot of misinformation on this point, some of which is propagated for the express purpose of supporting the culture of death through higher abortion rates, euthanasia, etc.

I will never forget a lecture I attended at the Air Force Academy in 1989 where a geology professor claimed that exponential growth in the use of oil would lead the world’s oil supply to run out by 2000. Amazing presentation. Completely bogus.

God built this world to last; and built us to be fruitful and multiply.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

Hi, I read or heard a study somewhere, that if you take the world population, have everyone stand in a average of two feet by two feet square, that everyone in the world would fit in RI or fit in Oakland County here in MI. Try the math, and see what counties or small states near you everyone could stand in side by side using four square feet each.

 

[Teflon93]

Hi, I read or heard a study somewhere, that if you take the world population, have everyone stand in a average of two feet by two feet square, that everyone in the world would fit in RI or fit in Oakland County here in MI. Try the math, and see what counties or small states near you everyone could stand in side by side using four square feet each.

RI is just over 1,000 sq miles, 5,280 feet to the mile if I recall (27MM sq ft) / 4 sq ft per person would fit just under 7 billion people.

Your figuring looks pretty good to me!

 

[Teflon93]

RI is just over 1,000 sq miles, 5,280 feet to the mile if I recall (27MM sq ft) / 4 sq ft per person would fit just under 7 billion people.

Your figuring looks pretty good to me!

Now, before the entire world relocates to Rhode Island, I should warn you that a good portion of that 2 x 2 real estate is in the middle of Narragansettt Bay…

 

[DanteAlighieri]

Now, before the entire world relocates to Rhode Island, I should warn you that a good portion of that 2 x 2 real estate is in the middle of Narragansettt Bay…

Besides…who wants to live in Rhode Island?



Peace,
Dante

 

[Contarini]

The earth is not limited.

Excuse me? It has a limited surface area, obviously. Just how can you argue that a (rough) sphere approximately 8,000 miles in diameter is “unlimited”?

Edwin