Contraception...Why is it considered sinful?

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Of course. But without being open to parenthood, it isn’t a marriage.
 
That doesn’t logically follow. You were comparing the lived experience of a child to it’s non-existence. That’s not the same thing as hypothesizing about any nonexistent life.
 
If it was you would have ignored it, not responded with an empty non-rebuttal.
 
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I think marriage would be more fulfilling with kids but others might disagree.

And what if I wanted to avoid having any biological kids so my spouse and I could foster kids or go all in in some charity?
 
Well I am saying a person should not have a kid when they don’t want to or aren’t ready. And then hypothesizing how it could lead to problems should a child be brought into the world like that
 
It’s not about marriage being more fulfilling or not. Being open to procreation is part of the fundamental definition of marriage according to the Church.

Look, you obviously have your mind made up. Why then are you trying to foist your opinions on the Church?
 
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ted. It doesn’t have to be one or the other (of the two scenarios you describe).

Loving couples use con
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AlmaRedemptorisMater said:
Of course. But without being open to parenthood, it isn’t a marriage.
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If a 70 year old man and 70 year old woman get married, it isn’t a real marriage if they’re not open to parenthood? I can see how a couple at that age might not want to have young children even if it was somehow miraculously possible.
 
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According to most studies you are much more likely to get pregnant when using NFP than other methods of contraception
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because it is easier to fall pregnant. Nothing restrain you from wanting to have sex, and if you choose in a fertile pregnant, or had not chart, you will have some chances of having a child. With some others artificial methods that possibility does not exist (such as implant method on your body), or is greatly reduce even if the method is not done properly (pill for eg).

Many people who use NFP are not constantly commited on the method, that’s why there is a “typical use” rate of pregnancy much more higher than the the “perfect use”.
It is not necessarily bad, it is up to them.

And to go back to the questions of large families, NFP can be more difficult to do during post partum/breastfeeding. That can be an origin for some of them.
 
I know this has been explained to you in the past. But for anyone else reading this, even 70 year old people should be open to the possibility of procreation, even if only possible by miracle, in order to be married. If not, thentheir intentions are disordered.
 
Using NFP does not mean you will end up with ten kids!

I think you are parazited with the “bad” experience you feel your parents have had.

Each couple is different, but it is often much more difficult to become pregnant than you think. And being pregnant take nine months, plus often there is period of breastfeeding infertility more or less extent, and after the time it take to conceive again (if it does not follow immediately).

Depend of of the age of the couple at marriage and what their fertility is.

For me it is perfectly thinkable that a couple who want 2 or 3 kids will end up with 5 kids if they marry relatively early, but no way with 10 children. They would conclude before there use doesn’t work if they are really motivated to avoid that.

Barriers methods has also great rate of faillure, that’s why it is encourage to have morning after pill available if something “happened”.
 
Contraception is not “considered sinful”, it is sinful. This is a point of doctrine that all Catholics are required to accept.

It is sinful because it is disordered use of the sexual act.
 
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The thing is people always have reasons not to want a ton of kids. No one just doesn’t want a kid. And why would I want someone who won’t be a good parent to have kids? What if they end up resenting their kids and causing more harm to their kids because they had them?
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Many people in today’s society “just don’t want kids”. In a Catholic setting, the only thing that could be legitimately advised, would be either not to get married, or if you do get married, find someone to marry who cannot conceive a child (or who cannot father one, as the case may be, though aside from men who have resorted to the sin of vasectomy, total and utter male sterility is rare). That may sound crass, but that is the only way you could be assured of remaining childless without resorting to sin.
 
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I’m not Catholic, but my husband and I never, ever objectified each other. We used barrier methods. One of the reasons I haven’t become Catholic is because I disagree with Humane Vitae.
 
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Not at all. It is only the reality. If we use contraception when the fertility is present, it is because we don’t want the “model” that is fertile.
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How about not wanting your wife because she IS fertile (NFP style). Is that better?
 
In traditional Catholic thinking, marriage is about the total gift of self, and this includes one’s fertility. Also, a married couple are co-creators with God. God is the third person in their marriage.

Your hypothetical example of a dearly loving couple doesn’t include God. This should remind you of Adam and Eve. Whenever we take God out of the equation, there are spiritual consequences.

The poster is worried about being overwrought with massive numbers of children. She needs to know that the level of peace in a large family can be far greater than in a family with only two children. There are better systems you can put in place with larger numbers of children, such as rules about food. Plus, the children don’t come all at once, so you can improve in your parenting.

In our thinking, we should all make room for one more person coming our way. For instance, what if you met a young single pregnant mother who needed a place to stay? Or what if you have to take care of your father-in-law with Alzheimer’s? The contraceptive mentality is all about limiting a couple to two people in a bubble with kids, rather than two people whose love can transform society. Think of a pebble and the little waves that emanate far from it when it is thrown in water.

I met one Catholic family with five children; the children were spaced about four years apart. They probably used NFP. It’s possible each child was unexpected.
 
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Lara said:
There are better systems you can put in place with larger numbers of children, such as rules about food. Plus, the children don’t come all at once, so you can improve in your parenting.
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I would disagree. Honestly my mom has so many kids to watch over rules are not enforced well at all. And it seems parenting has only become more lax and passive with the last ones. They don’t need as much attention because we’ll their siblings will look after them and it’s too hard to constantly make the younger ones not do what the older ones get to do. Honestly there are times when I feel like my mom is going to break down and lose it. It can be crazy at home
 
AlmaRedemptorisMater said:
I know this has been explained to you in the past. But for anyone else reading this, even 70 year old people should be open to the possibility of procreation, even if only possible by miracle, in order to be married. If not, thentheir intentions are disordered.
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Could you please explain what you mean by ‘open to the possibility’? There is no doubt in my mind that it implies that the couple enter into an agreement to have sex with the understanding that it may result in conception (even if they are seventy years old!) and that they are entirely ok with that result.

But do you imagine in any set of circumstances that you could possibly conceive that a seventy year old couple would consider having a child? Obviously not. If they have sex it is only for the pleasure that they would derive from it. There is no other reason.

How do you deal with this?
 
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That would be an issue if sex was the only way for couples to express love. It is not.

There are many ways that a husband and wife may express their love. Whichever way they choose, though, they cannot hold part of themselves back.
 
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