Contraception

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Forgive my protestant relativism, but what I’m looking at is a world mostly running away from Christ and knowledge of God. Maybe I’m in a hurry, but as much of a challenge as Christians are going to be in living in a society like our nation has become, I would still get the tubes tied and be done with the possibility of having a child come into the situation as described. Let’s remove the negative consequences of a pregnancy from this couple and free them to live a full life for Christ apart from the reproduction issue.

I wish a community could be there for every young wife who finds herself in this situation and might tough it out with a crisis periodically due to the woman’s mental condition. I really MISS 1920! But, it’s gone, and women work, and mental health problems can be real bears to habe to deal with.

The way I read my Bible, Jesus will forgive this easily, but I’m no Catholic, so the guilt tripping kinda wears out quick. Y’all can run with it if you want.
 
athanasiusrc said:
Um, HailMary would you mind providing some sort of authoritative reference where mental health dispenses you from moral law on contraception?

Kelly, this is a great burden for you and I am sure that there will be many praying for you.

I would suggest that you go take an NFP class. NFP is just as effective as every contraception except sterilization and the pill when done correctly. The pill can cause an abortion when it (rarely, but it happens) fails to prevent conception.

Since you and your husband are both fully aware of Church teaching, you can’t rationalize yourselves out of it.
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I agree 100 percent…
 
curious35 said:
Forgive my protestant relativism, but what I’m looking at is a world mostly running away from Christ and knowledge of God. Maybe I’m in a hurry, but as much of a challenge as Christians are going to be in living in a society like our nation has become, I would still get the tubes tied and be done with the possibility of having a child come into the situation as described. Let’s remove the negative consequences of a pregnancy from this couple and free them to live a full life for Christ apart from the reproduction issue.

I wish a community could be there for every young wife who finds herself in this situation and might tough it out with a crisis periodically due to the woman’s mental condition. I really MISS 1920! But, it’s gone, and women work, and mental health problems can be real bears to habe to deal with.

The way I read my Bible, Jesus will forgive this easily, but I’m no Catholic, so the guilt tripping kinda wears out quick. Y’all can run with it if you want.
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You have the opinion that you have as a Protestant but as a Catholic it is against our faith to artificially contracept or to render oneself sterile simply because having a baby is hard, inconvenient or even life threating. There are ways to prevent pregnancy without removing your uterus or taking pills. It is called NFP it is without hormones that can have future affects on you body.
Catholics are supposed to be open to life. That is one major tenant of our faith. It is actually wrong for you to advice a Catholic to do anything that is considered sinful.

I suggust that you take an NFP class and learn how to prevent pregnancy. Good luck and God Bless you and your husband.

Angela
 
HailMary said:
I never said nor implied that NFP IS contraception. There is such thing as a contraceptive lifestyle, attitude, and mentality and there are plenty of Catholics out there to prove it that are using NFP. Just because they hide under the NFP method doesn’t mean that are not capable of contracepting. And likewise

will not to try get contracepting catholics off the hook by thinking they are doing something good (by abusing NFP for selfish reasons) when in fact they are deceiving themselves.
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The Church does not say you must not use contraception. The Church says you must not use artificial contraception. There is a difference.
 
angiegirl67 said:
The Church does not say you must not use contraception. The Church says you must not use artificial contraception. There is a difference.
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This has nothing to do with what we were talking about in the thread.
 
angiegirl67 said:
The Church does not say you must not use contraception. The Church says you must not use artificial contraception. There is a difference.
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This is getting so confusing!
The Church says we are not to CONTRACEPT (which in the Church’s definition means to render an individual act of sex sterile). It has nothing to do with natural vs artificial.
Withdrawl is “natural” but still immoral. Performing any sex act that does not end with a man completing inside the woman is “natural” but still immoral.
For an individual act of sex to be moral it must be Open to the Possibilty of Procreation (meaning that you do not DO anything to render the act sterile even though because of natural cycles you are not fertile at the time) and Unitive (meaning both partners participate).
Malia
 
Feanaro_s_Wife said:
This is getting so confusing!
The Church says we are not to CONTRACEPT (which in the Church’s definition means to render an individual act of sex sterile). It has nothing to do with natural vs artificial.
Withdrawl is “natural” but still immoral. Performing any sex act that does not end with a man completing inside the woman is “natural” but still immoral.
For an individual act of sex to be moral it must be Open to the Possibilty of Procreation (meaning that you do not DO anything to render the act sterile even though because of natural cycles you are not fertile at the time) and Unitive (meaning both partners participate).
Malia
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If you read a previous comment you will see that i said that…I know all that you said… but it is also true that the Church does not want you to have endless children if that is not what you are supposed to do… NFP is the only method for naturally spacing between children or not having them at all in the event when it would be harmful to the woman or the child.
 
Does anyone recognize how ludicrous this argument is? It is, it isn’t, yes it is, no it isn’t!!!
At the end of the day, NFP avoids pregnancy, whether you engage in sexual intercourse during “fertile” times or not. It’s the same **** shoot as the pill - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
Jesus never spoke about contraception or sex for that matter (you folks probably don’t realize that). He only said “Be fruitful and multiply”. But as to how you multiply was never an issue with Him. It’s only an issue with the Church, or rather a crowd of old men in Rome.
The sin here is not to recognize your ulterior motives. When using NFP, your ulterior motive is to avoid pregnancy. Enough said (at least for those who can think logically).
 
magician said:
Does anyone recognize how ludicrous this argument is? It is, it isn’t, yes it is, no it isn’t!!!
At the end of the day, NFP avoids pregnancy, whether you engage in sexual intercourse during “fertile” times or not. It’s the same **** shoot as the pill - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
Jesus never spoke about contraception or sex for that matter (you folks probably don’t realize that). He only said “Be fruitful and multiply”. But as to how you multiply was never an issue with Him. It’s only an issue with the Church, or rather a crowd of old men in Rome.
The sin here is not to recognize your ulterior motives. When using NFP, your ulterior motive is to avoid pregnancy. Enough said (at least for those who can think logically).
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Perhaps you should actually read what the Church teaches on this subject and find another thread to disturb. This is NOT helpful to the OP in anyway.
Thanks and God bless,
Jennifer
 
magician said:
The sin here is not to recognize your ulterior motives. When using NFP, your ulterior motive is to avoid pregnancy. Enough said (at least for those who can think logically).
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You might have a point if the Church taught that birth control is sinful, which it doesn’t.
 
This thread has realy veered off course, which is not very helpful to our OP. It is fine to use NFP when you have a medical reason to postpone pregnancy, as does our poster. NFP is not preventing or destroying the opportunity for new life. Our OP has no reason to feel guilty for using NFP, as she has a legitimate medical reason.

ABC is a different matter all together. Our OP is Catholic, and asked for Catholic responses. Using ABC is always against Church teaching, and that is the bottom line. To Protestants, who do not always understand our belief on this, it may look like we are having a guilt complex over nothing, but from the Catholic perspective, we are doing our best to be obedient to God, submit to His will, and faithful to his teachings. To do less, is something we all should feel guilty about. That is a sign of a well-formed conscience.

Let`s continue to keep the OP and her husband in our prayers.

Sincerely,

Maria1212
 
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