Contraceptive mandate could face tough sledding in Supreme Court

[Bubba_Switzler]

It’s why the single payer universal health-care system is all that will work.

Because, as we all know, everything is cheaper when it is run by the government.

The solution is socialized health care. The problem? Well, they’re still working on that.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Because, as we all know, everything is cheaper when it is run by the government.

The solution is socialized health care. The problem? Well, they’re still working on that.

Standards and Poor are or have already downgraded the credit rating of several European nations. THe reason, unsustainable healthcare costs.

Universal, government-run healthcare is NOT the solution to the problem.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Socialized medicine will result in a decrease quality of care. The best and the brightest of the next generation will not all wish to be government employees after the commitment in education that is required. As with all too many programs to help those in need, the result is more equal healthcare for all, but it is done by lowering healthcare for most.

No, it is not the only thing that will “work”, whatever that means. The current system also works, after a fashion. We may well jump from the frying pan into the fire.

I bet you think the USA ranks as number 1 in health care.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Why are Medicaid costs so high? Nobody has address this.

The insurance industry makes a modest 2.2% (source). Even if the insurance industry became non-profit, would it drop costs enough?

The issue isn’t the “for-profit” nature of the medical industry. This issue is the costs of being in the medical industry. I posted earlier items that drive up costs. How about we address the actual costs of health care, rather than how to pay for it?

What your link fails to mention is, insurance returns on investments are tax free. So, compared to other industrties earnings which are pre-tax, the insurance industry is straight profit.

Jim

No it won’t. A single payer system won’t do anything at all to address costs. The costs will be the same, but a different person will be writing the checks. The issue is costs, not payments.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I really don’t see the difference, except that everyone will be on a medicaid type structure. It certainly won’t be any cheaper, and in fact could become more expensive, as we have all heard the stories about the gov. contractors who over change the gov.

It will become more expensive eventually, but cheaper in the first years of it.

 

[Yerusalyim]

Hopefully and injunction against implementation will be in place until the Supreme Court takes this up. On the other hand, God willing, when the next President is inaugarated it won’t be Obama and a Presidential Order will stop HHS from forcing this rule.

 

[jilly4ski]

I bet you think the USA ranks as number 1 in health care.

Jim

I am actually on Medicaid and I receive (and have received in the past) excellent healthcare. Did you know that doctors do extra screenings for their patients on medicaid? Traditionally people on medicaid are more at risk for health problems and other problems, like drugs, alcohol abuse, domestic violence, etc.
In fact my current doctor actually provided me with standard (excellent) care and said they would hold off the billing until my medicaid application came through. (Knowing that if it didn’t, I would be billed, but it would be a long time before they got paid).
I was able to take my son to an urgent care provider when he had a bad fever (turned out to be double ear infection), which took his insurance, and he got an exam and prescriptions.
My husband didn’t have any health insurance for a time, and got really sick. He was able to a community health clinic, have a walk in appointment, examined by the doctor, get caught up in 2 vaccinations, and a prescriptions for $80. (Sliding scale fees).

I would say our healthcare is pretty darn good, even for us poor people, and even for the uninsured (as long as they don’t have a chronic condition and don’t need an ambulance ride).

 

[incense]

People will have to pay for health insurance according to their income.

Those under a certain income will have their insurance paid by the government.

This will prevent them from going to ER’s which is far more expensive than going to a doctors office, for common ailments.

Jim

Why will it stop them from going to the emergency room? It’s the same cost to them – free.

Seems to me that this will cost more money. You can’t get more for the same price, so they’ll be looking for ways to cut. If the Catholic hospitals agree to bury their morals, euthanasia will save a lot of money, and be made to appear compassionate too. It’s already being talked about.

And what’s wrong with euthanasia anyway if it’s legal? At least, that’s what I’ve been reading others write about violating Catholic consciences. That Catholics have no right to object to something mandatory by law. Pretty scary position we’re putting ourselves in.

 

[Lovemyfaith]

Hospitals will attempt to collect from those who are able to pay. Whether or not someone is able to pay then becomes a question for the court to decide, assuming that the hospital doesn’t drop the matter on its own.

Or hospitals will ship patients to other hospitals in programs like the Urban Health Initiative that our first lady was involved in.

 

[Lovemyfaith]

I am thinking the point is to get catholic organizations to drop health care for employees The organizations would pay penalties, and those employees without health coverage would have to rely on government mandated health insurance.
So if the Supreme Court makes a favorable decision on the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, I am not sure they will even take up the contraceptive mandate.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Why will it stop them from going to the emergency room? It’s the same cost to them – free.

Seems to me that this will cost more money. You can’t get more for the same price, so they’ll be looking for ways to cut. If the Catholic hospitals agree to bury their morals, euthanasia will save a lot of money, and be made to appear compassionate too. It’s already being talked about.

And what’s wrong with euthanasia anyway if it’s legal? At least, that’s what I’ve been reading others write about violating Catholic consciences. That Catholics have no right to object to something mandatory by law. Pretty scary position we’re putting ourselves in.

I worded it poorly.

Having insurance, people won’t have to go to an ER, but can call their doctor or visit one of the clinics that various pharmacies now run.

ER’s should be used for emergencies only, not for treatment of common colds and such.

The ER cost are far more expensive than visiting a doctors office.

Jim

 

[Lovemyfaith]

Having insurance, people won’t have to go to an ER, but can call their doctor or visit one of the clinics that various pharmacies now run.

How many pharmacy clinics do you think are around? How many are in poor areas? How many pharmacies will be expanding to include clinics when the economy is hit with more taxes to pay for insurance? By the way, head over to the nearest pharmacy clinic, especially on a weekend and see what the wait time is.

Good luck trying to get an appointment at a local physician. My 20 year old daughter had a fever and cough. I called our doctor and was told she could have an appointment in two days. The doctor suggested we just go to the emergency room.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

How many pharmacy clinics do you think are around? How many are in poor areas? How many pharmacies will be expanding to include clinics when the economy is hit with more taxes to pay for insurance? By the way, head over to the nearest pharmacy clinic, especially on a weekend and see what the wait time is.

Good luck trying to get an appointment at a local physician. My 20 year old daughter had a fever and cough. I called our doctor and was told she could have an appointment in two days. The doctor suggested we just go to the emergency room.

Not a poblem where I live.

 

[Lovemyfaith]

Not a poblem where I live.

good for you. too bad for everyone else.

 

[irishpatrick]

Liberty rarely means much to people, until they lose it, and then it is too late to do anything.

The larger the government, the smaller each individual person becomes.

The smaller the government, the larger each indidivudal becomes.

Our nation has pushed to give more-and-more control to the government–that will lead to invididual citizens meaning less-and-less. Look at history and see. However, it is also what the majority seem to want–so it will likely happen.

Therein lies the real issues for the election 2012!