Contradictions in the Qu'ran

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Okay was the Pharoh killed by drowning? How many days did it take for Allah to create everything? Who was the first Muslim?

Please, I mean no offense to Muslims. I just want to be more relgioious tolerent. By posting a thread like this I am not seeking converts. I am seeking to see what Muslims will say out of curiousity AND for wanting to learn about Islam.
 
In the name of Allah

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Chazemataz**: Okay was the Pharoh killed by drowning? How many days did it take for Allah to create everything? Who was the first Muslim?

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Jermin Savory**: As for the Pharoh, indeed he was killed by drowning, The Pharao was drowned - His Body was saved, which is true. He died, but his body was saved, as described in the Quran. His body was saved for us, for the later generations as foretold in the Quran in Surah Yunus Chapter 10:93.

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Chazemataz**: How many days did it take for Allah to create everything?

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Jermin Savory**: Everything were created in six days. Here are the Qur’anic verses, please read them carefully.

Surah Al A’raf chapter 7 verse 54
Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 3
Surah Hud chapter 11 verse 7
Surah Al Furqan chapter 25 verse 59
Surah Al Sajdah chapter 32 verse 4
Surah Qaf chapter 50 verse 38
Surah Al Hadid chapter 57 verse 4
 
Jermin Savory:
Everything were created in six days. Here are the Qur’anic verses, please read them carefully.

Surah Al A’raf chapter 7 verse 54
Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 3
Surah Hud chapter 11 verse 7
Surah Al Furqan chapter 25 verse 59
Surah Al Sajdah chapter 32 verse 4
Surah Qaf chapter 50 verse 38
Surah Al Hadid chapter 57 verse 4
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The why does Surah 41:9, 10, 12 have a total of eight days of creation (4+2+2=8)?

9 Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals ? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.

10 He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;

11 Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.

12 Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days **** and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.
 
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Chazemataz:
The why does Surah 41:9, 10, 12 have a total of eight days of creation (4+2+2=8)?

9 Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals ? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.

10 He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;

11 Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.

12 Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days **** and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.
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This is very simple
2 day
4 days (including the first two)
then 2 days
equal six.
The first two were included in the four and not seperate from it.
 
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Chazemataz**: The why does Surah 41:9, 10, 12 have a total of eight days of creation (4+2+2=8)?
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Jermin Savory**: Chazmataz, you’ve added the first two already 😉 , why would you add it again? If the two was included already, why did you try to add it again. This is where the mistake is. Chazmataz, please read the verses carefully.
 
Jermin & Emad - I see how that can work out, thanks. 9 & 10 deal with the earth, and hence the total number in 10 is the total number of days spent creating the earth, while 12 deals with the heavens. So you have 4 days for the earth and 2 days for the heavens, right?

would either of you care to give an explaination as to why the heavens were created second? This seems unfitting that the realm of spiritual beings who are by nature more perfect than those of flesh and blood (angels being more perfect than men) should be created after that of the more corrupt physical beings. I am sure that there is an explanation for this as well.
 
Why would the collators of the Quran burn all the original text unless there was something to hide ?
 
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un_dhimmi:
Why would the collators of the Quran burn all the original text unless there was something to hide ?
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un_dhimmi do you even read the title of the threads before you post?? What you are saying above has nothing to do with the topic of the thread or with what anyone was talking about.
 
In the name of Allah

Aa

Hey Grace 🙂

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But for grace**: why the heavens were created second? This seems unfitting that the realm of spiritual beings who are by nature more perfect than those of flesh and blood (angels being more perfect than men) should be created after that of the more corrupt physical beings. I am sure that there is an explanation for this as well.
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Jermin savory**: There is no definite sequence, for example Allah didn’t say First he did this, Second he did this, there isn’t any specific sequence saying which one was created first. Now for the heart of your question, the earth could not possibly be the first thing created in the sequence. Take a close look at verse 79:27-30 of the Qur’an. these verses are not a sequential account of the 6 periods of creation and thus must be viewed both jointly and severally in relation to the whole Qur’an’s account of creation. The way the Qur’anic sentenses were put together shows that the facts are seperate accounts. They are not all together in a sequence in which you would say, “this comes first, that comes second and this comes third.” If you still don’t understand, please further your questions in the specifics that you do not understand about my answer.

I hope I’ve answered your Question.
 
I agree it is not entirely on topic, however, I find it a contradiction that a book which claims to be unchanged from the beginning had to have it’s original documents burned so that no one could dispute their own specific version.

And that is a contradiction in itself, is it no ?
 
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un_dhimmi:
I agree it is not entirely on topic, however, I find it a contradiction that a book which claims to be unchanged from the beginning had to have it’s original documents burned so that no one could dispute their own specific version.

And that is a contradiction in itself, is it no ?
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I don’t have the time to answer you. What you said above is not true. The Quran was always in written form as well as memorized. Also I will not answer you because it doesn’t seem like you are asking to learn. If you really want an answer go to the WhyIslam forum and I am sure someone there will answer it for you.

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In the name of Allah

un_dhimmi I have the answer to your question, but I think you should go to whyislam.org, they will provide the answers to all of your questions about islam also. And un_dhimmi, it seems as though you are not asking to learn. Please let us know if we are wasteing our time explaining on the subject.

May Allah Guide those who seek guidance…
 
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AnAtheist:
The Quran is full of contradictions, as is the Bible. And both sides use the same apologetics to explain them away, “it must be read in [textual|historical] context”, “that word means not really what it means”, …
The real fun begins, when it comes down to “this passage in book A is wrong, because book B says otherwise”.
Very entertaining.
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I understand why you would say something like this. However, the “context” argument, at least in Christianity, is a strong argument because it was revealed through time. The truth started out as miniature, and gradually was revealed to mankind. I would call them oddly angled continuities rather than contradictions.

Also, in regards to “context” arguments, we have to remember that there can be as many different interpretations as there are people. I think to fully understand the Bible, one has to have a grasp of the whole thing, its history, historical context. Honeslty, the fulfillment of the types in the OT that funelled through Christ, once understood, could only come from God.
 
Jermin - I suppose the problem lies in what you would call a translation error, in that 41:11 (as stated in this post) begins with the word then which is a transition word which usually implies a sequential order. 41:12 also is translated using this same sequential transition word.

Is there a better way of stating this so that this apparent missunderstanding disappears? As it stands it seems that . . .
1 - the earth is created in two days 41:9
2 - the earth is perfected and adorned 41:10
3 - the heavens and earth called 41:11
4 - the heavens completed 41:12

GB & PBUH
 
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