Controversy erupts over Campus Republicans bake sale plans

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ringil said:
I’m just surprised you use the term “illegals”. It’s not a great term popularized by the rightists, but hey, I don’t want to pontificate.
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I agree. I prefer to use the correct term - illegal aliens. No shortcuts!
 
Affirmative Action is telling certain groups of people that they need help to succeed and could never get positions from their own merit. “The black race needs help to succeed”.

Affirmative Action is so paternalistically racist, its not even funny.
It basically starts from the assumption that minority groups need help to get positions.

What about being colourblind? If a man is truly colourblind, then it wouldn’t matter if the only CEOs and important people were White, because he does not see colour (I mean I recognize race exists, and I am not colourblind in the least, but if the ideal of affirmative action is to put minorities in position, isn’t that a form of discrimination).

Minorities should find their jobs or colleges from their own merit, without any preferences or assistance. If we are all equal, why don’t we treat all equally?
 
NonServiam said:
For those who forgot, policies like these exist because there is currently an inequity in the system that we would like to address (a current inequity that owes its cause to deep-rooted social problems established long in the past that continue to have effects today, effects that we, as a society today, generally do not like). It has nothing to do with making people “pay for the past” and everything to do with making changes to inequities that exist now.

So, we’ve come up with policies that take those inequalities somewhat into account when making decisions like, for example, college admissions. Makes sense, doesn’t it? It’s hardly what anyone in his right mind would call unreasonable.
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While I agree with you that inequities currently exist in the system, I disagree that colleges, especially government run colleges, discriminating in favor of minorities to compensate is appropriate, although it is well-intentioned. There are three primary areas that I can think of in which minorities tend to experience inequities: economic opportunity, educational opportunity, and discrimination from others in society experienced on a day-to-day basis (perhaps there are more that I am unaware of because of naivety).

For the former two (economic opportunity and educational opportunity), I think it would be a bit silly to use racial background as a barometer of these variables when they can be measured directly and objectively. Perhaps you agree with me on this point.

On the last point (discrimination from others in society experienced on a day-to-day basis), I think this is a huge problem. However, I don’t think that such discrimination experienced by most minorities is worse than discrimination I have faced as a homosexual in homophobic environments (see my current location). Yet, I certainly don’t think I should be given scholarships or admittance over those with similar grades as me because I did experience some bigotry and they didn’t.

I would understand giving preferential treatment to those who clearly had worse educational and economic opportunities.
 
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