Wow. Please speak for yourself w regard to your own ignorance of the scriptures.
My point is that Catholicism is rooted in many more archaic traditions, ceremonies, and superstitions than a Temple could ever hold. Think of the Blessing of the Throat ceremony, for example.
Congratulations!
- I teach Catechism and my point was a response to your “Mormon ‘cult’/ becoming gods” comment. They are not the only faith to believe in progression (although the end results are vastly different, I digress from my point that the focus should be the capability of progressing- grace vs. works in this capability is another discussion).No, as a Roman Catholic I don’t feel I know about the background of the BOM when I don’t have the experience with the OT. My area researching and publishing includes the pedagogy of David McKay and St. Ignatius Loyola. Maybe you could help us out with your background?
Ok you don’t know the scriptures and consider the T mass full of superstition?! You should NOT be teaching Catechism and are part of the problem!! Of course we can “progress” in holiness, but not eventual godhood!My point is that Catholicism is rooted in many more archaic traditions, ceremonies, and superstitions than a Temple could ever hold. Think of the Blessing of the Throat ceremony, for example.
Congratulations!
This is an overview of #460
catholicculture.org/culture/library/catechism/cat_view.cfm?recnum=2153&repos=5&subrepos=8&searchid=422648
Also- check out the works of Tertullian and the Ante-Nicene Fathers on the matter.
No, as a Roman Catholic I don’t feel I know about the background of the BOM when I don’t have the experience with the OT. My area researching and publishing includes the pedagogy of David McKay and St. Ignatius Loyola. Maybe you could help us out with your background?
Finally, I’m more interested in one phrase you wrote: why do you feel that your time in the LDS church was only a “stint?” I’m happy you converted and I wish you well- but you make it sound like it was only meant to be a temporal phase?
Wow- such bitterness and personal attacks! Very “Christian” of you!
Haha, you (and Equity Utah) took the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ words out of context. What they said was:God became man so that man might become God; i.e., the Lord assumed human nature so that we who are members of His Body might have a share in His Divine Nature. God is Life and Happiness itself, we share in His Life and Happiness, hence we are said to share in His very Nature.Wow- such bitterness and personal attacks! Very “Christian” of you!
Regardless, I was connecting the view on eternal progression in both faiths- so read the my previous post carefully, and the following by Tertullian,
“We shall be even gods, if we shall deserve to be among those of whom He declared, ‘I have said, Ye are gods,’” (Ps. 82:6) and, “God standeth in the congregation of the gods.” (Ps. 82:1). But this comes of His own grace, not from any property in us, because it is He who can make gods.
I mentioned previously that the topic of grace vs. works is not up for discussion in this thread. So- have a great day!
You’re right this is what they said on one occasion on another occasion they said and I quote word for word: “the LDS Church does not oppose civil unions or domestic partnerships that involve legal protections for gay and lesbian couples.” (speaking officially for the LDS Church on November 5,2008, Elder L. Whitney Clayton). The LDS church understood what these words meant as did the LBGT community and the Governor of Utah: this support has energized the lesbian, gay, bi-sexual and transgender movement here in Utah. Assuring us the battle has just begun, on Feb. 2, 2009 Equality Utah launched a new massive ad campaign with newspaper and radio ads and two huge billboards along I-15, one near Lehi which reads “The LDS Church does not object to rights for same-sex couples and One near South Salt Lake which reads; “83% of Utahns agree: Gay people should have legal protections.” Mike Thompson executive director of Equality Utah speaking of this new approach said; “We’ve modeled our legislative proposals directly from the statements of the LDS church“. All of which goes to show the (LBGT) movement realizes the extreme momentum that the LDS church has given to them here in Utah and they are going to push it.
"the church does not object to rights for same-sex couples regarding hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights.”
This is not marriage rights, which is what you were implying.
newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/church-responds-to-same-sex-marriage-votes
can you link to the entire statement/speech made by Elder Clayton please?
It’s not bitterness but righteous anger against someone who, by their own admission does not “know” the OT and being RC, assumes the same of all other RC’s and uses this as a false premise to disqualify RC’s from being able to discuss or understand the BOM.Wow- such bitterness and personal attacks! Very “Christian” of you!
Regardless, I was connecting the view on eternal progression in both faiths- so read the my previous post carefully, and the following by Tertullian,
“We shall be even gods, if we shall deserve to be among those of whom He declared, ‘I have said, Ye are gods,’” (Ps. 82:6) and, “God standeth in the congregation of the gods.” (Ps. 82:1). But this comes of His own grace, not from any property in us, because it is He who can make gods.
I mentioned previously that the topic of grace vs. works is not up for discussion in this thread. So- have a great day!
You are incorred. If traditions and the bible are from God and given to us from God then there will be no controdiction between the them. but there is. the bible says nothing about purgatory, praying to Mary, or that we need a priest forgive our sins. For the believer his sins are already forgiven by God. There is no sin that will send the believer to hell.
Sola scriptura Mormon style.
Are the “doctrines” that were in the Book of Commandments, but were not later included in the Doctrine and Covenents part of Mormon “doctrine”?No. I would have thought you would know how I would answer that question based on the statement from me that you quoted.
Why were they in the D&C and why were they removed?
and what about the problematic lectures on faith that were removed from the D&C (without a vote by the membership) that are still referenced in the D&C today as being good for teaching?
Elder Clayton’s statement was on the official LDS web site. However, after I and others wrote articles, and protested with the Utah legislature that statement has since been removed. I suggest if you want verification of the statement and its support by the highest LDS church leadership you call the Office of the First Presidency here in Utah at 1801-240-1000
When I enter your quote: “the LDS Church does not oppose civil unions or domestic partnerships that involve legal protections for gay and lesbian couples.”Let me google that for you.
into google, only one website came up. I would think that if there was such protest against this statement, there would be more references to it.