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Pretty wide open. Can you be more specific that this?…pretty much everyone many years before your church came into conception.
Pretty wide open. Can you be more specific that this?…pretty much everyone many years before your church came into conception.
Have you not read St. Ignatius of Antioch, who openly claims the Church is Catholic. “Where there is the Bishop there is the Catholic Church.” He also said, to “…not do anything without the bishop…” These are paraphrased… This was written in around 107 AD. He used the the Greek word KATHOLIKOS. His writings helped me see the truth that was kept from me in my fundamentalist faith. Like you, I once abandoned my faith. It was studying history that led me to the truth. So many fundamentalists/evangelicals are so so ignorant of real Church history seemingly by design. Seek the truth always and when you humble yourself before God’s will, not man’s, there your journey will change courses. This is only one of many.Pretty wide open. Can you be more specific that this?
Sounds a lot like my broken record too.Oh boy. I’ll tell my Catholic conversion story.
I grew up in a nominal Catholic home, we went to Mass once a year, never prayed together etc. I was left to then form what I wanted to believe myself.
In my teen years, I went to a Catholic Church,because my father and grandma had me go. I learned about Martin Luther and read a couple evangelical books at 16 and I became an Evangelical Lutheran in belief. I believed that Rome had gone astray and that Martin Luther had rescued the church.I then began to read my bible and let the Holy Spirit “speak to my heart”. In time, I had compiled a mini catechism in my head as to what scripture spoke to me. I then went on to have the audacity to say that modern day Protestantism had gone to far with reforming and that it was preaching a false gospel by doing away with too much tradition. So, when I got to college, I entered a pre-seminary program for ministers in order to start my own “church” in order to bring back the “correct” gospel.Hmm, isn’t this story a broken record.
Well, I began to study the Bible in-depth and read the Church Fathers in order to find out how a church should be run. Well, I came across verses such as, " For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord", which made me re-examine what I had been taught as a faithful evangelical. Then I read,“The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church.” I thought," The early church had Bishops and was called Catholic?"
Well, from further study of scripture, history, and prayer I decided to fully embrace the Catholic Faith which I believe to be the church of the New Testament.
Um… Jesus. Since He started the Catholic Church Himself.Who says the Catholic church has the fullness of truth?
Because Paul clarifies that what is being remembered is the sacrificial DEATH of Christ. He is NOT saying that the bread and wine are mere symbols and that Christ is not present. And I see that Christ is substantially present based on other passages of Scripture. For example, Paul states:How do you see that Christ is substantially present in the Eucharist from the words I gave you and the meaning of the words.
I thought you were not serious surely, rev.When Jesus took the bread and gave thanks he broke the bread and said “this is my body, do this in REMEMBERANCE of me. Then he took the cup again he gave thanks and said " this is my blood, do this in REMEMBERANCE of me.” Will you leave me too, means will you leave what I have taught you when I’m gone or will you continue my teachings when I’m gone. Not will you leave the church that has not yet been formed.
I think “Rev” Kevin has learned the art of twisting scripture to fit his model, like all good Protestants they have to fit the bible to their beliefs. And when the figure out how to explain this they must defend it like a man who defends his president in charge of janitorial services of the corporation. They think they’re in charge. Kind of a gruff analogy but in essence that’s what’s really happening.I thought you were not serious surely, rev.
Literally it can only mean - will they (the disciples) leave Jesus like the others who could not accept his teaching. Definitely an emphasis that what Jesus said was literal, “this is my body … this is my blood, … eat, … drink. …”
Read the whole chapter, it could not mean any other.![]()
I have heard many Protestants contest Catholics’ understanding of Mt 16 about Peter being the rock but this is the first time that I hear a different version of the meaning of ‘leaving Jesus’ in John 6.I think “Rev” Kevin has learned the art of twisting scripture to fit his model, like all good Protestants they have to fit the bible to their beliefs. And when the figure out how to explain this they must defend it like a man who defends his president in charge of janitorial services of the corporation. They think they’re in charge. Kind of a gruff analogy but in essence that’s what’s really happening.
Did you know that Protestant deacons are usually in charge of taking care of church grounds and building services? My wife teases me all the time now that we’re Catholic because I’m working towards the diaconate.
Kevin, might I suggest you write a letter to the Catholic bishop from your diocese where you received the sacraments and request that you be released from the Church. And if you’re certain you are against the Catholic Church’s teachings, why not enter into RCIA as an observer to see what is taught. I also highly recommend asking the really hard questions. Do not be shy about it. All we ask is that you be respectful as if in a classroom, which it is.
**16Is not the cup of blessing **which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ?mikeledes;6540258 said:1 Corinthians 10:16
And also John 6 makes it clear as well:
I too am a “cradle Catholic”, but like the overwhelming majority of cradle Catholics back then we were not catechized properly at home or in church. I had more time in bible classes because of my mothers doing, who was trying to make us anti-Catholic. My dad was not practicing his faith and seemed to be messed up the rest of his life even though he adopted SSPX ideas along with Mel Gibson’s beliefs. I learned my Catholicism from an old set of encyclopedias, Arch Bishop Fulton J. Sheen cassette tapes and reading about the saints and the bible.I have heard many Protestants contest Catholics’ understanding of Mt 16 about Peter being the rock but this is the first time that I hear a different version of the meaning of ‘leaving Jesus’ in John 6.
I respect their belief and interpretation of the Bible if that’s they want to but I just could not see how the ‘leaving Jesus’ in John 6 can be anything else other than the obvious - them deserting him because they could not accept a hard teaching.**John 6
**You’re preaching to the choir
Now back to the OP – let’s hear some more conversion story. As for me, I am a cradle Catholic. I envy you guys for your conversion; you must be very blessed and it is very edifying to hear them. My own conversion rather is a personal renewal and you always thank the Lord for calling you back or rather finding you again.
God bless.
cool! it is amazing how God calls us back to Himself. where do your find yourself at now? do you go to Mass? do you pray often?Although I am not a Roman Catholic I will share with you my conversion story from atheist to Anglo-Catholic. I was baptised a protestant. My parents are protestant although never go to church. My primary school was a faith school. I hated it there, they were obsessed with religion and exams. They wouldn’t answer my naive, innocent questions about religion (e.g. how do we know there’s a God?) and I was often shouted at for asking. I found our R.E lessons very boring and patronising.
As I got older, I began to discuss religion with people such as vicars and my family (or argue with preists as my family put it) but it still made no sense to me. When I refused to recieve communion in my final year of primary school I ended up having a shouting match with my vicar and headteacher. I left a few months later and didn’t miss it one bit.
I began to call myself an agnostic. My new school was secular, and agnostics/atheists outnumbered Christians. I got more and more atheist and eventually rivalled Richard Dawkins! I insulted religion at every oppurtunity. Then, I began to doubt my atheism.
I don’t know why I first doubted it, but I began to feel it just didn’t make sense; there was no support, no help, just us. I began to see the joy religion brought to my parents’ lives and felt left out. My friends insulted religion all the time- it was so ironic that they called Christians intolerant. This went on for six months. I went on holiday to a Catholic country and there I met many happily religious people of my age. I was confused. I began to wear my angel necklace again, as it gave me comfort. I bought some rosary beads, mainly for the way they looked to begin with. I called myself a Christian atheist, and I was- confused and looking for an answer. I looked everywhere, for weeks.
When I returned to school, a friend left me claiming I was “going religious”. Other friends stopped talking to me. Only one friend stood by me, a Catholic. I began to read the Bible, and then to pray the rosary. I felt such happiness and comfort. I went to an RC church and loved it. On the 23rd October, I had an epiphany. It seemed so simple, so obvious; there was a God, a heaven, an earth. It’s like I became aware of the world, my part in it, everything was revealed in an instant. I instantly felt elated; I had found the answer, the big picture, the reason. I hope this story wasn’t too long!![]()

what a beautiful story. I argued, gently, with priests who refused to help me. My dad was still very misguided. My grandparents kept to themselves no matter what. My aunts were even more confused than my dad and my mom hated Catholics and the Catholic Church. In fact, my mom’s entire family is very anti-Catholic and rarely speak to me and that’s just fine with me now.Although I am not a Roman Catholic I will share with you my conversion story from atheist to Anglo-Catholic. I was baptised a protestant. My parents are protestant although never go to church. My primary school was a faith school. I hated it there, they were obsessed with religion and exams. They wouldn’t answer my naive, innocent questions about religion (e.g. how do we know there’s a God?) and I was often shouted at for asking. I found our R.E lessons very boring and patronising.
As I got older, I began to discuss religion with people such as vicars and my family (or argue with preists as my family put it) but it still made no sense to me. When I refused to recieve communion in my final year of primary school I ended up having a shouting match with my vicar and headteacher. I left a few months later and didn’t miss it one bit.
I began to call myself an agnostic. My new school was secular, and agnostics/atheists outnumbered Christians. I got more and more atheist and eventually rivalled Richard Dawkins! I insulted religion at every oppurtunity. Then, I began to doubt my atheism.
I don’t know why I first doubted it, but I began to feel it just didn’t make sense; there was no support, no help, just us. I began to see the joy religion brought to my parents’ lives and felt left out. My friends insulted religion all the time- it was so ironic that they called Christians intolerant. This went on for six months. I went on holiday to a Catholic country and there I met many happily religious people of my age. I was confused. I began to wear my angel necklace again, as it gave me comfort. I bought some rosary beads, mainly for the way they looked to begin with. I called myself a Christian atheist, and I was- confused and looking for an answer. I looked everywhere, for weeks.
When I returned to school, a friend left me claiming I was “going religious”. Other friends stopped talking to me. Only one friend stood by me, a Catholic. I began to read the Bible, and then to pray the rosary. I felt such happiness and comfort. I went to an RC church and loved it. On the 23rd October, I had an epiphany. It seemed so simple, so obvious; there was a God, a heaven, an earth. It’s like I became aware of the world, my part in it, everything was revealed in an instant. I instantly felt elated; I had found the answer, the big picture, the reason. I hope this story wasn’t too long!![]()
Thank you for you thoughts and prayers. We’re happy but as I’ve said before, we have many Protestant clergy in our family, mostly my wife’s side with whom I became much closer too since our marriage. They are really good people. But they are not supportive of our becoming Catholic, but remain mostly respectful. My mother-in-law drops her hints from time to time, every visit, but its to be expected so we just avoid her so we don’t offend her with what we’ve learned because they would not receive it well at all and if anyone was present it could easily turn into a hellfire and brimstone sermon. I won’t put up with it now and know the Catholic faith well enough to hold my own better than most priests and especially deacons. I’ve been working towards becoming very competent in apologetics because of our unique position and hope to teach in the Diocese one day. I plan to begin a Masters in theology at Franciscan University as soon as I can, which hopefully will be soon. I want to teach and to become a deacon. If the doors ever open again for the priesthood, I plan to continue my journey down that path if the bishop will have me. I’ve always wanted to be a clergy and my dream is to be the best one ever…humble and without the pomp of some I’ve met in my past. My definition of the best is probably not what people perceive. I told my pastor I desire to be the Unknown Saint, like on the San Damiano Cross.Eucharisteo, you have my deepest sympathies… no one should ever have to suffer that kind of trauma and betrayal from a “man of God”.
it is amazing and truly wonderful that you are a fruitful and faithful Catholic even after all that. God bless you, and work through you.
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