Conversion to Mormonism?

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rmcmullen,

The greatest feastday of the Catholic Church is ordinary Resurrection Sunday. Every Sunday we can receive the fullness of Resurrected Lord in the Word and Eucharist, just as the ancients experienced of Him that very day 2,000 years ago.

There were many followers of Jesus, but when He spoke of the time to come of eating and drinking of His flesh and blood, they left Him.

If you went to Mass, whether it was Sunday or daily Mass, the Creed, the profession of faith is recited after the homily. ‘We believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins and the resurrection of the dead’.
 
On Mormon.org (an official LDS site), you can chat with Mormons. The chat feature says: “Do you have a question, want to know more, or just want to talk about the gospel?” I am a Catholic. I have never misrepresented myself – but I have used this chat feature. The caller is directed to two personable elders who chat with you about your questions. Eventually, they invite you to read a portion of the Book of Mormon. If you feel it is true, you’re supposed to join the LDS Church.
I can see why the religion is attractive to some people. The elders are friendly. And they offer answers. They don’t discuss any of the details of the religion – such as the Temple rites, spirit children, and God the Father living on the planet Kolob.
 
Thought some may like to know that Catholic apologist Patrick Madrid has a new book coming out called “Why Be Catholic-Ten Answers to a Very Important Question”. Looks pretty good. The chapters are:
  1. Catholics: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
  2. You Can Handle the Truth: The Historical Case for the Catholic Church
  3. Brought to My Senses: The Seven Sacraments
  4. Soul Food: Mass and the Holy Eucharist
  5. The Cure for What Ails Me: Confession and Healing
  6. A Rock That Will Not Roll: Peter and the Papacy
  7. Mamma Mia!: The Blessed Virgin Mary’s Role in God’s Plan of Salvation
  8. How 'bout Them Saints?: Mystics, Martyrs, and Miracle-Workers
  9. Hello, I Love You: The Catholic Church’s Good Works
  10. Ah, the Good Life: The Awe, Wonder, and Goodness of God
http://www.catholiccompany.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/www.randomhouse.com_.jpg

Madrid also participated in two debates on the topic of Mormonism vs Catholicism (at least one focuses specifically on the apostasy). I thought that it was very good. I listened to both debates while I was still LDS but questioning, and found Madrid presented very reasonable Biblical and historical bases for why there was no total apostasy of Christ’s Church. I highly recommend them, especially the first. You can find them here:

store.patrickmadrid.com/the-first-catholic-%E2%80%94-mormon-dialogue-mp3/
store.patrickmadrid.com/the-second-catholic-%E2%80%94-mormon-dialogue-mp3/
 
HI Marie…

To clarify my statement, Sunday is the Lord’s Day, the 8th day, the original feast of all liturgy, that is the foundation and ‘kernal’, from which the rest of liturgical life flows…this found in Ch 5, ‘Liturgical Year’, pp 105.

The Vatican II documents on the Sacred Liturgy are relatively easy to read and most informative in understanding the foundation and norms regarding Catholic worship.

It is interesting in our childhood and youth, going to Mass all the time, that we do not clue in to the foundation of our faith.

The profession of faith is the only place in the Church where perfection can be found among us. I mean, when we recite the Church’s creed at Mass, we are in God’s time and space, and we are speaking in faith in full communion with fellow believers, we are expressing perfect unity with God and Church.
 
twopekinguys said:
We see this alot with mormon posters who come and go.

They share their “testimony”, but, don’t want to engage in conversation about it.

Pretty one sided don’t you think?

We also see it when a mormon poster cannot defend a logical argument that has been presented to them.

They will either turn to calling someone an “anti”, or just ignore the conversation. Of course, the latter is what you’re attempting to do here.

These are just a few of my observations of many of our mormon posters. I’m sure I could come up with hundreds, possibly thousands more. 😃

It just boils down to stereotypical behavior among mormon posters.
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This is kind of late----
But I think the poster was simply trying to explain his/her reasons for joining the Mormon Church—NOT trying to convert anybody.

My opinion.

At least.
 
Marie5890 said:
Polls? Really rmcmullan? Polls???

Oy Vey… 🤷
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I would ask for some kindness here, even though the man (I’m sure all Catholics here would agree) is in error.

People who are not your Truth will always find ways to justify their non-belief.

Does not mean we should mock their reasons for believing what they believing.

We should rather listen thoroughly what they are selling and give reasons as to why we disagree with them and why Holy Mother Church is THE Truth--------also pray fervently that they consider this and maybe in the future come to realize that Truth.

Doing what you are doing comes off (unintentionally) as very mocking and condescending.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
I would ask for some kindness here, even though the man (I’m sure all Catholics here would agree) is in error.

People who are not your Truth will always find ways to justify their non-belief.

Does not mean we should mock their reasons for believing what they believing.

We should rather listen thoroughly what they are selling and give reasons as to why we disagree with them and why Holy Mother Church is THE Truth--------also pray fervently that they consider this and maybe in the future come to realize that Truth.

Doing what you are doing comes off (unintentionally) as very mocking and condescending.
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I disagree.

This is a debate board. When folks come here then run from the debate, it is what it is
 
One of the issues I have with Mormonism is how it is trying to erase its positions starting in 1997, and so newcomers to it do not know about its past. So I perceive it as dishonest and having other intentions to why it continues to exist.

But there are those within Mormon beliefs who are seeking the truth and standardization with Christianity.
 
KathleenGee said:
One of the issues I have with Mormonism is how it is trying to erase its positions starting in 1997, and so newcomers to it do not know about its past. So I perceive it as dishonest and having other intentions to why it continues to exist.

But there are those within Mormon beliefs who are seeking the truth and standardization with Christianity.
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Actually, I think they started in 1990 with the new temple ceremonies that eliminated some of the bloody death stuff and the wives pledging to obey husbands…
 
I think former Catholics who have come to Mormonism, in spite of their inability to grasp truths professed at Mass in the Creed, must come to see the need to pray for Truth.

Today the Evil One is so powerful. I think the word is, ‘interloper’.

People who are spiritually sensitive can likewise miss at Mass or having been in catechetical classes, lost divine truths through interlope. I mean, that the Evil One can block someone from hearing the whole statement of truth.

True, catechetical training in the past led many students astray because the salt of truth was removed, the teachers to teach a more ‘relevant’ way of believing or not teaching right and wrong in absolutes to our young teens for fear they would become judgmental Catholic fundamentalists.

As we can see, we cannot compromise with the world and the prince of darkness.
 
Hi Texan Knight,

I should have been more clear…I think the Mormon religion began dropping rituals, etc., in 1997 in regards to its anti Roman Catholic stance.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
I would ask for some kindness here, even though the man (I’m sure all Catholics here would agree) is in error.

People who are not your Truth will always find ways to justify their non-belief.

Does not mean we should mock their reasons for believing what they believing.

We should rather listen thoroughly what they are selling and give reasons as to why we disagree with them and why Holy Mother Church is THE Truth--------also pray fervently that they consider this and maybe in the future come to realize that Truth.

Doing what you are doing comes off (unintentionally) as very mocking and condescending.
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What I said was said in the context of his posting history. He does run when faced with objections and those who have watched this behavior know this.

It is neither mocking nor condescending. It’s an expression of being frustrated with his style of engaging (or not) in honest discussion.
 
TexanKnight said:
Actually, I think they started in 1990 with the new temple ceremonies that eliminated some of the bloody death stuff and the wives pledging to obey husbands…
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Agree completely.

That was obvious to those of us who participated in both pre and post 1990 temple ceremony
 
Marie5890 said:
Agree completely.

That was obvious to those of us who participated in both pre and post 1990 temple ceremony
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I have forgotten all the ways the lds god changed his mind in changing the perfect “just like the Old Testament” Temple ceremony. But those were the two most obvious.

So then, when Mormons tell us that the LDS Temple Ceremony is just like the ancient church, I have always wondered if it is now, or if it was pre 1990?
 
TexanKnight said:
I have forgotten all the ways the lds god changed his mind in changing the perfect “just like the Old Testament” Temple ceremony. But those were the two most obvious.

So then, when Mormons tell us that the LDS Temple Ceremony is just like the ancient church, I have always wondered if it is now, or if it was pre 1990?
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Of course there is no relationship between the LDS Temple ceremony and the ancient church. The ancient church believed in the Trinity just like it does now. The LDS abandoned it. It is pretty obvious when you read all of the early church fathers that they believed completely in the Trinity doctrine just like we do today.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
This is kind of late----
But I think the poster was simply trying to explain his/her reasons for joining the Mormon Church—NOT trying to convert anybody.

My opinion.

At least.
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See what Marie posted.

Many mormon posters, current and former have exhibited this behavior, and continue.

Check out some of the previous mormon threads, and you will see what we are all talking about.

Peace.
 
I wont respond for every former Mormon in this forum, but I know that there are a few of us who were TBM’s

It’s very frustrating, for me at least, when TBM’s like rmcmullan and others wont engage in serious dialogue about various points of Mormon doctrine. They just go silent

But those of us who are former TBM’s do know where that behavior comes from.

Mormons dont wont look to reason if reason shows weakness. They lean on faith, based on their feelings of having a testimony.

Those of us who are former Mormons understand that we can both use reason AND faith when it comes to explaining our commitments.

What is it that Pope Benedict XVI said? Faith without reason is supersition and reason without faith is paganism? (something like that)

I dont have to dismiss my intellect as I pursue truth. God is not a God of mindgames sent to “test” humans. (and quite frankly I wouldnt worship a god who was into those kinds of mind games, even if they were god. That is messed up and completely unjust)

People like myself, TK, Iperious (I think that is her screen name), Living Waters, and others know FULL well the mind set and mind think of Mormonism. We LIVED it. We BREATHED it, and hell, WE PROCLAIMED and TAUGHT IT.

And, as time went by, we realized we were so very wrong, and we REPENTED of it.

In all honesty, I do take those of us who have been on both sides of equation more seriously than those who only have live one side (whether Catholic or Mormon)

Show me someone who is a devout Catholic now and and formerly devout Mormon from before, and I know we can speak the same language. Whether that language reflect Mormonism or Catholicism.
 
Marie5890 said:
I wont respond for every former Mormon in this forum, but I know that there are a few of us who were TBM’s

It’s very frustrating, for me at least, when TBM’s like rmcmullan and others wont engage in serious dialogue about various points of Mormon doctrine. They just go silent

But those of us who are former TBM’s do know where that behavior comes from.

Mormons dont wont look to reason if reason shows weakness. They lean on faith, based on their feelings of having a testimony.

Those of us who are former Mormons understand that we can both use reason AND faith when it comes to explaining our commitments.

What is it that Pope Benedict XVI said? Faith without reason is supersition and reason without faith is paganism? (something like that)

I dont have to dismiss my intellect as I pursue truth. God is not a God of mindgames sent to “test” humans. (and quite frankly I wouldnt worship a god who was into those kinds of mind games, even if they were god. That is messed up and completely unjust)

People like myself, TK, Iperious (I think that is her screen name), Living Waters, and others know FULL well the mind set and mind think of Mormonism. We LIVED it. We BREATHED it, and hell, WE PROCLAIMED and TAUGHT IT.

And, as time went by, we realized we were so very wrong, and we REPENTED of it.

In all honesty, I do take those of us who have been on both sides of equation more seriously than those who only have live one side (whether Catholic or Mormon)

Show me someone who is a devout Catholic now and and formerly devout Mormon from before, and I know we can speak the same language. Whether that language reflect Mormonism or Catholicism.
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Marie, it’s very true that animals have feelings. My dog has feelings. My dog has a feeling that it wants to play and gets its toy. It however is not able to reason that it’s 11pm at night and it’s time to go to bed and that I would never play with it at this time at night. What differentiates us from animals is having an everlasting soul and intellect that is capable of good choices through reason. Through an informed intellect and reason we can come to understand God’s revelation to man both through nature through The Word.

As you point out, many LDS fail to adequately inform the intellect of the information it requires to make good choices. Through our free will, we can shut off the information flow. Yet I would get a sense that those that do so, can feel a voice within them saying don’t do that. Don’t shut off the information, answer the doubts fully.

Did you ever hear that voice, that feeling when you were LDS ?
 
Porknpie said:
. Yet I would get a sense that those that do so, can feel a voice within them saying don’t do that. Don’t shut off the information, answer the doubts fully.

Did you ever hear that voice, that feeling when you were LDS ?
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When I left was the early years of the internet so the kind of information you are talking about wasnt really all the readily available the way it is now.

For me, it wasnt so much hearing a voice that time during sacrament meeting where the topic was on temples and temple ordinances as it was just reason telling me temples are not needed for the concept of “families are forever”

What binds people together arent temple ordinances, but rather God who is Love Himself.

After that logic finally made it thru the LDS mindthink, the rest of it just tumbled away.

No need for temples means no need for any restoration or JSmith or BoM or whatever…

For me, it was a house of cards. One of those foundational card (the need for temples) was pulled out, the rest of it just crashed.
 
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