Conversion to Mormonism?

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Great comments, Marie.

Your testimony is most important. As you say, you have been there in Mormonism, active and doing your best to follow its tenants.

I just came to the point of not only exasperation, but to a certain degree of withdrawing from sharing on Mormon posts, because of the very issues you have raised. I just keep to minimal.

Thanks for your witness here.
 
KathleenGee said:
Great comments, Marie.

Your testimony is most important. As you say, you have been there in Mormonism, active and doing your best to follow its tenants.

I just came to the point of not only exasperation, but to a certain degree of withdrawing from sharing on Mormon posts, because of the very issues you have raised. I just keep to minimal.

Thanks for your witness here.
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The LDS is continually shedding members, for whatever reason (s)

It’s the information age, and it’s pack is hitting SLC.
It has seen it’s hay day.
 
Marie5890 said:
The LDS is continually shedding members, for whatever reason (s)

It’s the information age, and it’s pack is hitting SLC.
It has seen it’s hay day.
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John Dehlin, a Mormon who is very vocal about this topic claims there are only about 4-5 million LDS members are active. He claims 66% of the members are inactive.

The internet was the worst thing that could have ever happened to the Mormon Church…

as a prophet, js shoulda known this
 
I also meant to add yesterday that we need former Mormons here that expose misinformation and misrepresentation that happens with those Mormons who come here to provide a different image than what it is.

I was thinking this am about Mormons and how those who defend it really have a different sense of reasoning and perspective.
 
(From other site. Not sure just how accurate it is, but since it references and LDS sociologist, its at least worth consideration of being fairly accurate)

“Sociologist Armand Mauss, who is LDS, has estimated that 50% of new converts in the US and Canada leave or become inactive within a year. In other countries the rate is 75%.”

(if that happens within a year, would love to see the #s for 5 years post-baptism)
 
TexanKnight said:
John Dehlin, a Mormon who is very vocal about this topic claims there are only about 4-5 million LDS members are active. He claims 66% of the members are inactive.
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That’s a high estimate but quite possible. I’d say 55-66% inactive. OTOH, the LDS church requires standards of “activity” that would stun most Christians. A mormon that only attended church twice a year would be considered inactive.
The internet was the worst thing that could have ever happened to the Mormon Church…
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as a prophet, js shoulda known this
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The internet fulfills JS’ prophesies re the gospel being taught in every nation on the earth, geneaology, etc. I’ve yet to hear any General Conference talk warning Mormons to not read stuff about the church posted on anti-mormon websites. If it was a concern, they’d say something. Like Gordon B Hinkley said, the brethren would rather see you be a good Catholic than a bad Mormon.
 
Sabacthani said:
That’s a high estimate but quite possible. I’d say 55-66% inactive. OTOH, the LDS church requires standards of “activity” that would stun most Christians. A mormon that only attended church twice a year would be considered inactive.

It is not my estimate. It is the Mormon guy I referenced. Look him up. he actually presented the talk where this was mentioned to the GAs. There did not seem to be any argument. So, I will go with his figures.

The internet fulfills JS’ prophesies re the gospel being taught in every nation on the earth, geneaology, etc.

lol…that is sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy when you send missionaries to all nations. You gotta figure they will baptize at least ONE person. It is like me prophesying that Orange koolaide will be drunk in every country…then I go to every country and drink it to fulfill my prophesy.

I’ve yet to hear any General Conference talk warning Mormons to not read stuff about the church posted on anti-mormon websites. If it was a concern, they’d say something.

Just because it is not said at GC does not mean anything. I was told NOT to read anything other than books approved by the GAs.

Like Gordon B Hinkley said, the brethren would rather see you be a good Catholic than a bad Mormon

He also denied it was ever taught that Adam is God. His integrity was unimpressive

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It is not my estimate. It is the Mormon guy I referenced. Look him up. he actually presented the talk where this was mentioned to the GAs. There did not seem to be any argument. So, I will go with his figures.
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I believe it.
“that is sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy when you send missionaries to all nations.”
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Mormons have never been able to do that.
“. I was told NOT to read anything other than books approved by the GAs.”
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I hope you meant while you were on your mission.

On my mission I was told to bring only specifically allowed reading material, and was specifically prohibited from reading Bruce R McConkie’s so-called “Mormon Doctrine.” 😃

But the restricted reading list is just a temporary thing to focus missionary minds on the basics of the gospel. Anyone who sets out a restricted reading list like you described, to the general membership, is flouting the 13th article of faith.

My father was an LDS bishop and he actually recommended the movie Jesus Christ Superstar. I found parts of it touching, and parts outrageous and offensive. It upset me a lot and in response I dove into the New Testament to clarify what really happened, and came to a greater knowledge of the Savior than I’d ever had.

I’m going to start cutting and pasting some of Tex’s descriptions of his experiences with LDS teachings to try to persuade local leaders to do more to combat what I call Latter-Day Phariseeism.
 
The temple recommend questions touch/hint at not reading anything that doesn’t support the mormon church.

“Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?” (bolding mine)

Which leads to another question. Isn’t a mormon hanging out on a Catholic board affiliating with a group or individuals who hold views in opposition to the mormon church problematic?

Just askin…😛
 
Sabacthani said:
I believe it.

Good.

Mormons have never been able to do that.

Do what? Go to other countries? Sure they have. They were going to Europe while js was still alive. Little by little, they have sent them to about every country. So my point stands

I hope you meant while you were on your mission.

Yes…but not just then. When I joined the Church, I was told that. When I was asking questions about the things that were starting to trouble me, I was told that. When I taught EQ and Sunday, I was told to teach that…

On my mission I was told to bring only specifically allowed reading material, and was specifically prohibited from reading Bruce R McConkie’s so-called “Mormon Doctrine.” 😃

I got my first copy of that book WHILE on my mission. That was when I first started realizing, thanks to Apostle McKonkie, that the Catholic Church was the Church of Satan

My father was an LDS bishop and he actually recommended the movie Jesus Christ Superstar. I found parts of it touching, and parts outrageous and offensive. It upset me a lot and in response I dove into the New Testament to clarify what really happened, and came to a greater knowledge of the Savior than I’d ever had.

Yes. I was told to watch it too. Since Jesus got married in the movie, it supported LDS teaching that Jesus had wives. so?

I’m going to start cutting and pasting some of Tex’s descriptions of his experiences with LDS teachings to try to persuade local leaders to do more to combat what I call Latter-Day Phariseeism.

Odd thing for an “ex-mormon” to do. But go ahead. You may call it "Latter-Day Phariseeism:, back then, it was called “teaching” and “doctrine”. Of course, we have seen how the ods god changes his doctrine and teachings more often that brigham and js changed or added wives…
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twopekinguys said:
The temple recommend questions touch/hint at not reading anything that doesn’t support the mormon church.

“Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?” (bolding mine)

Which leads to another question. Isn’t a mormon hanging out on a Catholic board affiliating with a group or individuals who hold views in opposition to the mormon church problematic?

Just askin…😛
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I promise that when I take my interview to join the church that I will say yes to that question and tell them about you. I suspect the Bishop and Stake President will laugh.

Back when I used to be a member, I always said yes to that question and told them that I affiliated with Lavinia Fielding Anderson, agreed with her on some things and not on others, and didn’t know which of her views she’d been exed for. Never had a problem with it.
 
Tex: “that is sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy when you send missionaries to all nations.”
Sab: Mormons have never been able to do that.
Tex: Do what? Go to other countries?
Sab: To all countries. There have always been some countries that were and are closed to missionaries.
Tex: They were going to Europe while js was still alive.
Sab: Europe wasn’t “all nations” while JS was alive, Tex. It still isn’t. There are nations outside of Europe. And some of them don’t allow mormon missionaries.

[snip personal jab that I’ve already addressed regarding my beliefs and membership status]
 
twopekinguys said:
The temple recommend questions touch/hint at not reading anything that doesn’t support the mormon church.

“Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?” (bolding mine)

Which leads to another question. Isn’t a mormon hanging out on a Catholic board affiliating with a group or individuals who hold views in opposition to the mormon church problematic?

Just askin…😛
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No, when I was a believing Latter-day Saint and posted here (and elsewhere), I did not view it as such.
 
Sabacthani said:
Tex: “that is sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy when you send missionaries to all nations.”
Sab: Mormons have never been able to do that.
Tex: Do what? Go to other countries?
Sab: To all countries. There have always been some countries that were and are closed to missionaries.
Tex: They were going to Europe while js was still alive.
Sab: Europe wasn’t “all nations” while JS was alive, Tex. It still isn’t. There are nations outside of Europe. And some of them don’t allow mormon missionaries.

lol. I see you again intentionally missed the point. Thankfully, the readers understand it.

But let me say it again, just for you…they were already visiting Europe before JS died. They have since been to almost every country. Is it in every country? I doubt it…but the fact LDS missionaries are sent to every country they are allowed in, and more as they are allowed to, it is silly to call it a fulfilled prophesy. Again, it is like me saying orange mio with water will be drunk in every country as a prophesy, then going to every and driniking it…forcing my prophesy to be fulfilled.

[snip personal jab that I’ve already addressed regarding my beliefs and membership status]

lol…truth hurts, huh?
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They have since been to almost every country. Is it in every country? I doubt it
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Do you even remember what the point was?

I said that after years of the LDS church trying to get missionaries into every country, and never quite succeeding, the internet has fulfilled the prophesy of the gospel being preached in every language.

Oh look, a squirrel!
 
Sabacthani said:
Do you even remember what the point was?

I said that after years of the LDS church trying to get missionaries into every country, and never quite succeeding, the internet has fulfilled the prophesy of the gospel being preached in every language.

Oh look, a squirrel!
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lol…and again, you ignore the point.

I do not blame you. You Mormons, even those who claim they are not, are fun!
 
What do you think “the point” is at this moment in time, Tex? You keep changing it and I can’t keep up.

From my perspective,

you said JS should have known the internet would destroy the church.
I said that the internet fulfilled JS prophesy that the gospel would be taught in every nation.
You proceeded to change the subject repeatedly
 
Sabacthani said:
Do you even remember what the point was?

I said that after years of the LDS church trying to get missionaries into every country, and never quite succeeding, the internet has fulfilled the prophesy of the gospel being preached in every language.

Oh look, a squirrel!
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Do you really think that North Koreans are able to access information about the LDS church on the internet?
 
Sabacthani said:
What do you think “the point” is at this moment in time, Tex? You keep changing it and I can’t keep up.

From my perspective,

you said JS should have known the internet would destroy the church.
I said that the internet fulfilled JS prophesy that the gospel would be taught in every nation.
You proceeded to change the subject repeatedly
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My point was, you deflected the real point. The internet has truly hurt the LDS Church because the internet easily disproves it. A real prophet woulda seen it coming. You tried to deflect, so I played with you.

It was fun.
 
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