Convert with family woes

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Hi friends,
This is my first post here–whoa! I was hoping to get some insight into a family situation I have. This is going to be long. I apologize, but a lot of background is necessary.

Religion has always been a touchy subject in my family: my maternal grandparents and my aunt, uncle, and cousins are one denomination of Christianity, and my nuclear family was another until I threw a third in the mix about 6 months ago. From the time I was two, my grandmother (not my blood relative, but she married my grandfather right after I was born) got my grandfather and my aunt, uncle, and cousins really involved in their church, which was a really exclusive Protestant denomination. If we went with them, we weren’t allowed to participate, and she would often tell us that illnesses or problems were because we didn’t love God enough or properly. When I was 13, I got confirmed in my parents’ church, and that was the day that my grandparents, aunt, uncle, and cousins walked out of our lives–we were written out of the will, phone calls and visits were ignored, the works. I never saw my grandmother again, and my mom and my grandfather only started talking again six years later.

When I got to college, I was really struggling with my faith (I had a brief stint as an atheist, but eventually cracked), and didn’t like the church of my denomination on campus. So I started going to the local Catholic church with my roommate, which had a really strong student community–great. I started getting more involved, going to Mass every Sunday, participating in a Bible study, going on retreats, etc. During my ‘discernment’ period, I started dating one of my really close friends from the church. He was great the entire time; he had just discerned the married life himself, and he knew that pressuring me would be the worst he could do. He just acted as a confidant whenever I was struggling and was always open for questions. When I told my parents about him, my mom immediately seized on the fact that he was Catholic and told me that I should break up with him because 1) he wouldn’t marry me if I wasn’t Catholic (not necessarily true–we had lots of talks, and I wasn’t sure if I would marry him if I wasn’t Catholic) and 2) if we did get married, I wouldn’t have the life I wanted because I’d be barefoot and pregnant all the time. Anyway, while our relationship was pretty good, it was ultimately superficial because we could only get to a certain point emotionally–there was always that block of my discernment, because both of us wanted it to be certain my conversion was a decision independent of anyone except myself and God. So we broke up after a year in the early part of this year. It was honestly a huge factor in my decision to convert, not to get him back, but because it was a huge loss in a time where everything seemed to be falling apart–I’d hit rock bottom and still found joy in Catholicism. About a month after the break-up, I went to my priest and said, “Father, I want to get confirmed. When can we make this happen?” and he replied, “How’s Wednesday?” (I know it’s a little non-traditional, but he’d been following my progress for years) So I got confirmed.

Since then, it’s been a little rough with my family. My mom will randomly call and ask what she did wrong that I’d choose a faith with values that are so contrary to hers and my father’s, and she’ll pick fights with me over small theological points or things that aren’t even related to the teachings of the Church, and she’s recently informed me that, if she’s going to be at my future wedding at all, she’s going to have to be sedated so that she doesn’t cry and scream the entire time. She also cries about how I lost every opportunity to live up to my potential because I spent so much time at church.

I’m a very non-confrontational, kumbaya, why-can’t-we-all-just-be-friends-and-hug-it-out sort of person,so the constant fighting is starting to really take a toll on my relationship with my mom. To make matters worse, my boyfriend and I are dating again (it’s much better this time around, there aren’t any blocks, we’re being very careful and deliberate in our dating and we know what the end goal is and how to get there); I haven’t told her yet, but she’s of the opinion that I wanted to convert so that he’d want to marry me, and that I converted after we broke up to get him back (it sounds that way on the surface, but that’s not at all what happened). I understand that what happened between her and my grandfather was extremely traumatic, and she’s afraid that the same thing is going to happen to me, but at the same time that doesn’t make her attacks on me okay.

Does anyone have any advice on dealing with this sort of thing? I’d rather not entirely lose a relationship with my mom, but it’s also starting to hurt me to the point where I’m not sure I can respond with good Christian love.

Sorry for the long post, and thanks in advance for the advice!

Peace.
 
I’m very sorry that your mother is so confrontational. It really must take a toll on the nerves.

Maybe the next time she decides to bring it up, it may help to remind her that you’re a grown woman. You can make your own decisions now.

Or better still, maybe you could say somthing like “Actually, that isn’t what the Church teaches…” If she’ll listen to reason.
 
Part of growing up is the realization that your parents are not perfect. This is further complicated by the fact your parents are, as you describe them, anti-Catholic.
The only way you will ever resolve this situation is to make them realize that you are no longer “their little girl”; that you are an adult and you know your own mind. However, if you are still in college, and receiving any support from them, I suggest you consult with the bursers office on your campus and explore how to finance the rest of your education without parental help. I would do this before you let them know you want to be left alone about your religion.
The up-shot of all this is, you will be uncomfortable for a short while, but once your parents know they can’t dominate you, they will eventually come around and accept you as an adult because ultimately they do love you.
 
Take your troubles and sit in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at adoration of the Blessed Sacrament. Tell them to Him. Pray over it and be patient with Him just as He has been patient with you.

Get a copy of Catholicism for Dummies and ask mom to read it. Once she knows what we believe, I am certain that she will have less objections. Oh, she will still object, but it is very important that she knows the truth of what the Church believes and teaches.
 
First - Welcome to the boards…It’s a great resources
Second - prayers for your situation…

Now - the meat of the matter…

This is going to take a very long time…You mention that the situation with your grandparents lasted 6 years? Well hopefully this won’t be so long.
It’s tough to offer any real detailed advice…but my thoughts are:

  1. *]Live the best Catholic life you can
    *]Pray for your mom (Duh right?)
    *]Keep your mom in your life even though it’s tough
    *]Try to let the attacks role off your back
    *]Joke about them if you can…Like…
    *]Always wear shoes to her house so your not “barefoot and pregnant”
    *]Share your love of Jesus with her whenever possible.

    I’m sure there are other ideas that can be offered…But the bottom line is to be open to your mom and let her work through the shock etc in her own time…
    Like I said above…you mentioned how part of your mom’s family cut off communication with you guys. I’m assuming this hurt your mom. This might be a good avenue to approach her - lovingly - that you don’t want to see that same dynamic play out between you and her because you Love her too much.

    Hope some of this helps.

    Peace
    James
 
Does anyone have any advice on dealing with this sort of thing? I’d rather not entirely lose a relationship with my mom, but it’s also starting to hurt me to the point where I’m not sure I can respond with good Christian love. .
There’s something you need to decide and something you need to say, IMO as a mom for 40 yrs.

First, you need to decide that what she thinks is what she thinks and she’ll think it and it has to do with her not you. That is: you have to stop giving a hoot in a holler what she thinks. That doesn’t mean acting disrespectfully, it means deciding in your heart.

Then you find a way to tell her, to get her to listen, usually by requesting she be quiet and pay attention or by letter, that you have made your choice, that nothing she says will change it, that you are afraid of just exactly what you said in your post and she needs to back off before anything happens neither of you want.

The argument is: she lived her life and made her choices. Now you are making yours. You expect her to take a Valium and get a nice dress for your wedding, whenever that happens one day, to treat your friends and any fiances you may acquire with grace and respect as you would her friends.

Mothers get frightened. Mothers project themselves onto their daughters and sons, wanting them to live the lives they didn’t. Mothers see dangers where there are none in order to get ahead of any threat and will die to protect their children. Mothers are nutty as squirrel poo. It’s part of the job description.

She loves you. But it’s time to let go - for you both. It’s time to grow up, time to get over it, time to learn to be friends to one another. I want you to develop a sense of distance about this, I want you to learn to respond to melodrama not with melodrama or anger or withdrawal but a sort of sardonic kindness. And humor. I want you to put this in it’s own place and not let it bleed into your relationship with this man.

Be firm, but let her know the outcome you want is to be close as you become a fully fledged adult woman. But also know, there’s a boundary and she needs to get on her own side or you’ll need to build a higher wall.

You already know this. You cannot change anything she does or will do. You just decide what you will be and what* you* will do and let her know. Then do it. But always expect healing, always expect that you will resolve this one day, always be willing to fight for your relationship if she will, and let her know you expect those things.

Your religious choice is now an out of bounds topic.
 
…and she’s recently informed me that, if she’s going to be at my future wedding at all, she’s going to have to be sedated so that she doesn’t cry and scream the entire time. She also cries about how I lost every opportunity to live up to my potential because I spent so much time at church.

I understand that what happened between her and my grandfather was extremely traumatic, and she’s afraid that the same thing is going to happen to me, but at the same time that doesn’t make her attacks on me okay.

Does anyone have any advice on dealing with this sort of thing? I’d rather not entirely lose a relationship with my mom, but it’s also starting to hurt me to the point where I’m not sure I can respond with good Christian love.

Peace.
Your mother sounds extremely controlling. The comment about screaming at your wedding sounds very immature and silly. Is this how she gets you to do things her way? You need some boundaries and perhaps this is the time to create them. Responding with Christian love is not always hugs and kisses, but it can include a bit of tough love too. And I think this is exactly what your mother needs right now. Be firm but polite, tell her that her picking fights will only alienate you and that it is her decision if she wants that to happen.

I have some seriously difficult people in my family and being nice didn’t get me far since they saw that as weakness and permission to continue with their manipulative behaviour.

Boundaries. Boundaries. Boundaries.

Hope this helps. God bless.
 
Julia Mae expressed much more ably what I wished to express.

I also like Contra’s thrust about boundaries.

Finally - since your mother is Christian…I would use this as the way through which to make peace. All you are asking for is the same respect that she expects…and this is no more than what her lord and King commands. That she should do unto you as she would have you do unto her.

Mt 7:12 - “So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.”

Peace
James
 
Hi everyone,
Thank you so much for your kind and sensible replies.

@Jitterbug: Thanks for the support. I’ve been trying that for years, but she ends up trying to inform me that I’ve been brainwashed or replying, “Oh, isn’t that a convenient solution? The Catholic Church has had 2000 years to come up with that answer to keep people in its clutches.” It begins to get difficult to debate with that, because it’s either an unfalsifiable hypothesis or "Yes, that answer’s been around for a long time and it’s convenient because it’s true.

@George: I’d hope that they’ll come around. My dad is fine with it; from his perspective, my involvement in a church isn’t the worst that could have happened to me, and he just wants me to be happy and get to God any way I can. My mom, on the other hand, has a tendency to cut people off the second she sees that they could hurt her (so she walks away before they can), which comes from a place of great pain in her and I pray for her a lot because of it, but it’s typically years before she reconciles with them, if ever. It took six years and a heart attack for her to even speak to my grandfather again. I am currently financally independent, and I’ll be taking out loans for graduate studies so I can continue to be so.

@po18guy: I’ve been taking this to Adoration for a looong time. Adoration was probably the biggest thing that drew me to Catholicism, and I love it so much. It is very hard to remember to be patient, but I’ve been praying to just be a good example and a loving daughter instead of any great conversion of my mom’s heart. The Catholicism for Dummies is a good idea, and if she softens a little maybe I’ll ask her to read it; I’ve mostly been trying to teach her about it myself, correcting her misconceptions and such, but again, it just comes back to me being conveniently brainwashed into a cult.

@JRKH: Hahahaha, always wearing shoes is a GREAT idea. I laughed so hard. I’ve been trying my best to follow your other advice already, and it’s good to know that I’m on the right track. And oh, I wish the respect argument worked. She fully expects me to respect her faith to the extent that I’m supposed to go to church with them when I’m home (I make my best effort to go with them and then go to Mass on my own, but sometimes it doesn’t work out and she throws a fit), but she can’t tolerate a faith that isn’t tolerant of her and is so contrary to her belief system and values, and therefore she can’t respect me and my wish to be a part of it.

@Julia Mae: your perspective is wonderful and much-needed. Oftentimes she’ll tell me that she’s already made the mistakes that she thinks I’m making and that I should value her opinion and take her advice. I’ve been trying to build boundaries, but with her it’s hard to gradually distance myself–it’s either no boundaries or complete cut-off. Next time it comes up, though, I’ll be very firm. I maybe didn’t handle her statement about not coming to my wedding in the best way; she asked me how I felt about it, and I said, “Well, then I guess I won’t see you at my wedding”, which was not the most productive thing but I was at least firm and not capitulating to her implied demand. Baby steps–I’ll eventually get better at that, God willing.

@Contra Mundum: it’s not intentional on her behalf, it’s just how she was raised to love and be loved. I have an extremely low tolerance for guilt or causing pain to other people, so she tends to try and send me on guilt trips when I don’t do what she wants.Going away to college has helped immensely with that, as well as talking to some close friends or mentors about it; I just thought it was normal and the way things were supposed to be until I mentioned it to a mentor who was also a psychologist, and he told me that it was borderline unhealthy and I needed to start sticking up for myself. I’ve been working on it.
 
@Julia Mae: I maybe didn’t handle her statement about not coming to my wedding in the best way; she asked me how I felt about it, and I said, “Well, then I guess I won’t see you at my wedding”, which was not the most productive thing but I was at least firm and not capitulating to her implied demand. Baby steps–I’ll eventually get better at that, God willing.
You’re fine. It’s better than “Epithet you Ma!” and storming out! Listen, this takes years to negotiate. My daughter and I, who knew how much we loved each other, were separated for almost two years while we each got over ourselves a bit. Now, ten years later, we still have our moments sometimes, but we handle them with much more love and humor.

You’ll be okay. Try to not roll your eyes, though.
 
Dear one,
Glad my little quip gave you a laugh. Honestly I think that sometimes that is the only way to deflect some of these things.

Sounds like only time will soften your mother’s attitude. In this you are best served by ignoring her biting remarks it sometimes takes a while, but these kinds of people eventually grow tired of not being able to get a response…to get under your skin…

I have to say though I would be very tempted to get her a plaque or framed print for Christmas with the Golden Rule beautifully printed on it. But I do tend to be something of a smart-aleck

Anyhow…time, patience, prayer and don’t forget shoes…;)…should help soften things up…

Peace
James
 
Catholicism for Dummies is excellent. While you are at the book store, check out Confessions of a Mega Church Pastorby Allen Hunt. If it is not available, contact DynamicCatholic.com It is only 170 pages and might wet Mom’s appetite for more info. God Bless…Oh, He has :D********

Sorry about the underlining of all…thought I clicked off on it. :o
 
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