Converting to Another Faith

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When a Christian converts to another faith, such a Islam, Judaism, etc., in effect he/she is rejecting Christ. In your opinion, is salvation still possible for that person, or has that person condemned him/her self to hell, or…?

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Shalom Aleichem
 
only God knows, but it’s very dangerous for their soul. Rejection of Christ leads to damnation…

maybe it depends on the amount of invinsible ignorance this person had
 
Javl,

It depends upon their level of understanding about Jesus Christ. I was introduced to Christ by my public school teacher at the age of 7. I spent the next 25 years investigating Christian teachings (on and off) on my own time. I didn’t even know I needed to be baptized (some Christians told me it wasn’t necessary). I didn’t even belong to a Church. I thought I understood EVERYTHING I needed to call myself a Christian. Then I discovered another religion (Bahai Faith) and got caught up in it for a few years. Gradually, I began to realize that the followers of this religion were MISSING something… it was the LOVE of a PERSONAL, KNOWABLE God. They didn’t have Jesus. They SAID they knew him, but they didn’t really. So I turned and ran. I ran into a Christian church and made sure I received Baptism. I spent the next 10 years growing in my knowledge of the Lord and His Church. I then found myself in RCIA learning about the hidden treasure of His ONE Church. Soon I was a Confirmed Catholic… and there’s NO turning back. There’s nowhere else to go! **"Simon Peter answered him, ****“Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.” - John 6:68-69 **Christianity is a one-way trip. The further you have travelled upon that road before abandoning Christ, the harder it will be for you on the Day of Judgment. Poor Judas.
 
Not having the ability to see the state of someone else’s soul, like St. Padre Pio and others, I can’t say that I know what the state of the person’s soul and understanding of Christ was prior to a conversion. I also don’t know if they were compelled to convert. We also don’t know if they were Chrsitian in name, (and assuming) baptism only, and not instructed in the faith, so easily persuaded that a false teaching is true.

If they are baptized, they remain so, even if they convert to a non-chrisitan religion. If they do convert due to ignorance, that would influence a theoretical answer. However it still is not ours to make the judgement. It would be more fruitful to pray for their souls, and if at all possible evangelize them through our Loving actions and example.
 
When a Christian converts to another faith, such a Islam, Judaism, etc., in effect he/she is rejecting Christ. In your opinion, is salvation still possible for that person, or has that person condemned him/her self to hell, or…?

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
I became a Baha’i at age 19, and remained in the Baha’i Faith for about 30 years, though the last 4 or so were part of a period of intense questioning. As a Baha’i, I had a belief about Christ that is respectful, but different from that taught by Christianity from its inception. I think that had I been more knowledgeable about Christianity, I may not have become a Baha’i. I really thought that Baha’u’llah was the return of Christ, so though I was not a Christian, I had not really rejected Christ. Of course, I had rejected the central tenants of Christianity, especially the redemption of mankind at Calvary.

It is only since returning to the Episcopal Church that I have become profoundly moved by the grandeur and majesty of Christ, and that His sacrifice on the cross is the reason for all creation.

I suppose someone who becomes a Muslim would also say that Jesus is among the messengers of God that preceded Muhammad, and there are interesting stories of him in the Qur’an, so being a Muslim isn’t exactly rejecting Christ, though it is rejecting His unique redemption of mankind.

However becoming Jewish, Buddhist or Hindu leaves no place for Jesus at all.
 
How I understand it is that if you do know of Jesus and reject his teachings and refuse to beleive in the resurrection of the dead , Jesus will reject you at the time of your death and it could be hell for you.:(:(:(:(:(:(:(😦
If not hell, you will not be in the Beautific Vision of God. Heaven is the Beautific Vision and anything else is like purgatory or limbo; if you are really a rotten person, then, hell!
 
When a Christian converts to another faith, such a Islam, Judaism, etc., in effect he/she is rejecting Christ. In your opinion, is salvation still possible for that person, or has that person condemned him/her self to hell, or…?

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
They are apostates. Salvation is not possible.
 
One could say I went from Christianity to Islam and back to Christianity - so certainly, there’s hope for people. 🙂
 
only God knows, but it’s very dangerous for their soul. Rejection of Christ leads to damnation…

maybe it depends on the amount of invinsible ignorance this person had
Maybe rejection of Vishnu is dangerous for your soul. A little food for thought.
 
If one leaves the faith without truly knowing God - which is quite possible, then don’t think they bare the burden of having rejected Christ.
 
When a Christian converts to another faith, such a Islam, Judaism, etc., in effect he/she is rejecting Christ. In your opinion, is salvation still possible for that person, or has that person condemned him/her self to hell, or…?

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
Javi, I feel even Judas would have been forgiven if he had repented. But he committed a serious crime of suicide.

Its true that many have converted to other faiths, betraying the sacrifice Jesus did for mankind, and if they dont repent for their errors, than I dont think they will have forgiveness.

When John the Baptist came, he said, Repent, and only that can save them.
 
Thank you all for your informative and interesting answers and comments. They are all duly noted. My thoughts are they will be saved only by repentance and accepting Jesus Christ, for He will forgive the most grievous of sins. If they remain steadfast in their denial/rejection, then there will be no hope for them. They condemn themselves.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
None of us see God, or Christ, clearly. We can only follow the Truth we can perceive, and it is not always hard to be mistaken.

God sees in our hearts, and knows our intentions, even when we don’t know them ourselves. I know he is perfectly just and perfectly compassionate.
 
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Anytime anyone “converts” REQUIRES that they affirm that human teachers (persons, congregations, denominations - any “voice”) is accountable and should be regarded as NOT infallible or incapable of error, and should NOT be accepted “with docility” as the voice of Jesus (compare with CCC # 87). Not only so, but they MUST affirm that teachers are not only accountable but that they are arbiters (if not exclusively) so as to whether that teacher is correct or not (“teacher” here can be Oral Roberts, The Catholic Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Martin Luther, The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Church, The Rock Church of San Diego, Billy Graham, Pope Benedict, Brigham Young - or any other).

If one embraces that - but then denies that, they they must conclude that what lead them to that church (the above embrace of accountability and arbitration, the rejection of infallibility and accepting with docility) was flawed and thus their conclusion must also be flawed. It is a contradiction and illogical to say, “I accepted my teacher as accountable and arbitrated his/her/its’ teachings and that lead me to accept that my teacher (CC, LDS, whatever) is unaccountable, infallible, and must be accepted with docility.” If one regards such teachers as accountable, they must accept teachers as accountable - and reject claims of infalliblity and demands to accept whatever such teaches “with docility.”

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I was told by a religious that no matter what you are, at that moment of death, God gives you but one more chance to accept Him. If you don’t at that moment, then eternity in Hell.
 
I was told by a religious that no matter what you are, at that moment of death, God gives you but one more chance to accept Him. If you don’t at that moment, then eternity in Hell.
Who told you that, and how much more valid is their opinion than scripture or Holy Tradition?
 
When a Christian converts to another faith, such a Islam, Judaism, etc., in effect he/she is rejecting Christ. In your opinion, is salvation still possible for that person, or has that person condemned him/her self to hell, or…?
Javl,

There are Christians who have converted to Judaism, which requires the renunciation of Christ. This seems like such a grievous sin. My first instinct is to say, what could be worse than renouncing Christ?

When really I think about it; there are many ways to renounce Christ, without actually speaking the words. When we know Christ and His teachings, and still think and live in a way that disregards those teachings; are we not renouncing our Savior to some extent?

I have given the following passage a great deal of thought:
Hebrews Chapter 6 (ESV):
4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

Does this mean we can reach a “point of no return”? If yes, what thoughts/actions bring us to that “point”?

I had my own diversion from the path of Christ.

A Mormon bishop and his wife were my neighbors, before my divorce. I had known them for years. I admired the strength of their family. The bishop seemed like the father I never had. So, after my divorce, they invited me to their church. For weeks, I took lessons at the bishop’s home- with the Mormon Bishop and two Mormon missionaries.

I was at a very vulnerable point in my life. I wanted to belong someplace. I was a single mom, with no family in my city.

I went to the Mormon church and finished all the lessons. There were things that concerned me about the church services. I rarely heard the name of Christ spoken. Almost without exception, testimonies began with a statement of belief that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. I was told that there are three heavens. I was also told that God, in the flesh, impregnated Mary.

I did eventually decide to join the church. The day before my baptism, a family member called me and told me about the Mormon belief that God has a wife and lives on a star/planet (kolob,) and men can become gods. I was so shocked; because none of this was discussed in the lessons-except a passing mention of exaltation.

I called the Bishop’s house and spoke to one of his daughters. I asked if these beliefs were true, and she admitted that they were. I was really shaken, but I did proceed with baptism. After the baptism, things became very strange. Every time I tried to read the Book of Mormon, I would feel ill–as if I were in a place of darkness.

Then one evening, I heard a knock at my door. It was a friend of mine who drove from another state for a surprise visit. During her stay, I told her that I had been baptized into the Mormon church. She told me she had taken the lessons many years ago. She, also, told me about the Mormon teaching that Adam is god.

I knew I had to break the connection with the Mormon church as quickly as possible. So, I called the bishop’s wife and told her I did not want any further connection with the Mormon church. She came to my house and asked me why. I told her all the things I had learned about the Mormon beliefs. She acknowledged that they were all true.

When I asked her about the Mormon belief that Adam is god, she could not deny that either. She answered by saying she was familiar with the “Adam/god theory.” I told her I felt that I had been deceived. During the lessons, I was told that the Mormon church is a Christian church–with the same beliefs in God and Jesus as other Christian Churches.

It didn’t end there; members of the church kept calling me and showing up at my door. I kept telling them I was not coming back to the church and to please stop contacting me.

It still didn’t stop. I received phone calls. I received things in the mail-which I marked “return to sender” and left for the Postman. Then, I started receiving things in the mail with no return address-a clear attempt to get me to open the package.

I finally had to write a formal letter to the church–telling them I would consider any further contact harassment—(though I had been harassed, since the moment I told them I was not coming back.)

I found myself literally on the floor, with my face down, begging the forgiveness of Christ. I received His forgiveness. I felt like one of the lost sheep, carried upon the back of Christ, to safety. I was Baptized into the Christian Church again. I went back to the Baptist Church-the Church of my upbringing.

Even though I cut all ties with Mormonism, repented, and received forgiveness for my sins; I found there are spiritual consequences, set into motion by our sins, that can continue long after we are forgiven. A few months ago, I discovered that the Mormon Church may still perform proxy Temple rites, on my behalf, after I die.

I have been working on a letter to send to the Mormon Records Division, to firmly state that no proxy rites are to be performed in my name, after my death. However, there is no guarantee they will respect my wishes.

I returned to the Baptist Church, because it was familiar. I have since discovered too many false doctrines to continue there. My experience with Mormonism has made it almost impossible for me to trust enough to convert to another faith, such as Catholicism–even with all the respect I hold for the Catholic Church.

Even though I left the Mormon church many years ago, I am still dealing with the “spiritual consequences” of my sin. I would say converting to a religion outside Christianity is dangerous any way you look at it.

Anna
 
Matthew 10:32-33
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men,
him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
But whosoever shall deny me before men,
him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

wonder what Jesus’ denial of a person to the Father means?
loss of salvation?
 
Anna:

As the saying goes “Once burned, twice shy”. I see and understand your position. I would do the same if I were in your place.I can only say pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance and wisdom to discern the truth. If you put your trust in Him you cannot go wrong in any of your endeavors or decisions.

And yes, many of our daily, selfish actions do in a way reject Christ, but he is always there with open arms to forgive us, no matter how many times we do so. As long as we trust in Him we should have no fear. But those who do reject Him outright by leaving Christianity for another faith do put their souls in danger and should realize what the consequences of such an action will be. You are in my prayers. God bless.

Len

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Shalom Aleichem
 
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