Cook County prosecutors drop all charges against 'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

What about innocent until evidence of guilt

That’s part of a rule for some legal processes. When it comes to public opinion though the speculation that someone may have done something is itself condemning. That’s not an endorsement of such condemnation, but recognition of it.

I see. So you are advocating for politically motivated weaponization of the judicial process, just to “recognize” the political biases of the verbally abusive who don’t know what respecting the opinions of others means?

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

What about innocent until evidence of guilt,

TS has this right. He is innocent of q crime until proven guilty fo one. That is hardly the same as being :Innocent".

Well to presume guilt based upon the person’s political positions is hardly the same as being fair and impartial regarding the entire process.

Russia collusion was a concocted “crime,” made up by political operatives like Steele, Simpson, Strzok and others to “get” Trump, first as a candidate and second to tie his hands as president and attempt to bring him down. That is being more fully established everyday.

Do continue to hang on to your cherished narrative, however. Be warned that some day you will need to come to terms with the truth of the matter – if you are to remain in the real world, that is.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Well to presume guilt based upon the person’s political positions i

I don’t think those that think he did something necessarily think it based on his political position. Among other potential reasons are the people that have been in his circle having received convictions for having done something.

I see. So you are advocating

I’m not advocating for anything at the moment. I’m sharing a general observation on how the public responds to opinions. They don’t wait for convictions. There have been people for which I don’t think they did “it” (where the referent of “it” can be any bad action) and have experienced bad outcomes for it.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

And Mueller threatening and pressuring all kinds of witnesses with process crimes is far more obstructing and tampering with judicial proceedings than anything Trump could even dream of.

Muller’s “threats” are against people who lie to investigators. That is justice, not obstruction.

Yeah, look up how Mueller and Weissmann treated Andersen Accounting, bringing down the entire company and putting 20 000 people out of work. The Supreme Court then ruled (9-0) that Mueller & Co. acted far beyond their proper role, but too late to have actual justice done on behalf of those people.

That wasn’t justice. Mueller and Weissmann were never held to account for that travesty of justice and “manufacturing” of crime.

We need to call for a second special counsel to look into the Spygate scandal and the weaponization of the DOJ and FBI under Obama. That would be justice.

Unfortunately, what we have under Mueller and his political cohorts is obstruction. The same kind of obstruction to be seen in Chicago regarding Smollett’s charges being dropped. Hardly justice at all. Not even recognizable as justice.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Well to presume guilt based upon the person’s political positions i

I don’t think those that think he did something necessarily think it based on his political position. Among other potential reasons are the people that have been in his circle having received convictions for having done something.

Except that “something” had nothing to do with Trump and was in almost all cases merely process “crimes” that would never have come up except for the actions of the Special Counsel.

 

[HarryStotle]

I’m not advocating for anything at the moment. I’m sharing a general observation on how the public responds to opinions. They don’t wait for convictions. There have been people for which I don’t think they did “it” (where the referent of “it” can be any bad action) and have experienced bad outcomes for it.

What people don’t know about are these “bad actions” that took place within the DOJ and FBI, aided and abetted by the mainstream media.

 

[dvdjs]

Well to presume guilt based upon the person’s political positions is hardly the same as being fair

Do you mean to imply that someone here is doing this?

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Well to presume guilt based upon the person’s political positions is hardly the same as being fair

Do you mean to imply that someone here is dong this?

HarryStotle:

What about innocent until evidence of guilt,

TS has this right. He is innocent of q crime until proven guilty fo one. That is hardly the same as being :Innocent".

He is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

What you don’t seem to realize is that judicially persecuting individuals for concocted crimes (Russia collusion) absent any evidence that that crime even occurred is hardly the same as presuming someone innocent, legally speaking

Ergo, for you to insist that because he hasn’t been found guilty of a crime is tantamount to saying he still shouldn’t to be thought innocent is hardly the same as “presumed innocent.”

This is precisely the distortion of justice I am speaking of. Everyone might be guilty of some crime or other. So we should do away with presuming them innocent and just presume everyone guilty until they are definitively proved innocent. Good luck with that.

It is virtually impossible to prove everyone innocent of every possible crime they might have committed over the course of their lives.

Clearly you seem not to understand why every person, including President Trump, ought to be presumed innocent. Paranoia here we come!

 

[FirstFiveEighth]

Funnily enough I seem to remember that same argument being used against Kavanaugh. “We don’t know that he didn’t do it, so we should act like he did just in case & besides he got mad when we called him a rapist and that just isn’t polite”. Almost like some simply decide a person of a different political persuasion is guilty, then try and justify their decision ex post facto. Weird.

 

[dvdjs]

Clearly you seem not to understand why every person, including President Trump, ought to be presumed innocent

Did you forget what you wrote - “presume guilt based upon the person’s political positions” ?
Nothing in your post has the lest bit to do with the presumptions of " guilt based upon the person’s political positions".

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Clearly you seem not to understand why every person, including President Trump, ought to be presumed innocent

Did you forget what you wrote - “presume guilt based upon theperson’s political positions” ?
Nothing in your post has the lest bit to do with the presumptions of " guilt based upon theperson’s political positions".

I have no idea what are going on about.

Catch your breath and type real slow. Then reread and proof-read. Perhaps then it will be clearer.

 

[dvdjs]

I have no idea what are going on about.

Then please review your posts.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

I have no idea what are going on about.

Then please review your posts.

Ahh, yes…

Nothing in your post has the lest bit to do with the presumptions of " guilt based upon theperson’s political positions".

Do you mean to imply that someone here is dong this?

What does “dong this” mean, precisely?

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Clearly you seem not to understand why every person, including President Trump, ought to be presumed innocent

Did you forget what you wrote - “presume guilt based upon the person’s political positions” ?
Nothing in your post has the lest bit to do with the presumptions of " guilt based upon the person’s political positions".

Two points:

You keep claiming Trump may be guilty of colluding with Russia based on your hope that he might have. No evidence.

However…

Russians Gave $35 Million to Company with John Podesta on Board

John Podesta, Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, directed that made an investment in a venture capital firm wholly owned by the Russians.

www.breitbart.com

Schweizer: Joe Biden ‘Steered $1.8 Billion’ to Ukraine, Son Got a Deal

Peter Schweizer noted how Hunter Biden received millions from Ukraine while his father, Joe Biden, sent $1.8 billion to its government.

www.breitbart.com

Will you now call for investigations into Podesta and Biden for colluding with Russia (Podesta) and obtaining favours for his son by colluding with Ukraine (Biden) based upon actual evidence?

If not, we can safely say your determinations about who is guilty and who is innocent appears to be based upon which political party they are associated with.

Additionally: Biden apparently bragged about strong arming the Ukrainian government into not investigating his son by getting its chief prosecutor fired. He apparently “threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.”

 

[dvdjs]

You keep claiming Trump may be guilty of colluding with Russia based on your hope that he might have.

I have not made a claim on trump’s guilt. I just want to see the report before buying into the “no evidence” claims.

 

[HarryStotle]

So should Biden and Podesta be investigated?

And why haven’t they been, given that the evidence for their actions far exceeds any evidence for President Trump’s collusion with Russia.

 

[Theo520]

Do continue to hang on to your cherished narrative, however. Be warned that some day you will need to come to terms with the truth of the matter – if you are to remain in the real world, that is.

Not required. Just like the people who still firmly believe the Covington boys acted like racist skinheads. Can’t force them to confront the truth of the story.

 

[Cathoholic]

It won’t matter what the Mueller Report says.

Many on the left are deeply invested in the Collusion Delusion . . . for the past (almost) three years.

The Report will just breed more kook conspiracy theories. No matter what the report says.

Imagine the enormous waste of time the leftists have already squandered listening to Maddow, Matthews, Stelter, etc. These are some of the same people who sit around criticizing Alex Jones.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

So should Biden and Podesta be investigated?

I’ve not kept track of what all the allegations were. But the one’s that I’ve heard thus far didn’t sound like potential criminal violations and thus a criminal investigation on them doesn’t sound justifiable.

 

[Theo520]

Ergo, for you to insist that because he hasn’t been found guilty of a crime is tantamount to saying he still shouldn’t to be thought innocent is hardly the same as “presumed innocent.”

lol, we don’t even have evidence of a crime yet he’s still presumed guilty of the “crime” by Dem leadership and the liberal media.

I guess it’s a lot easier when you don’t have pesky evidence to examine, you can just claim “it’s out there somewhere, and it’s really really bad evidence”