Cook County prosecutors drop all charges against 'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett

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ThinkingSapien said:
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HarryStotle:
So should Biden and Podesta be investigated?
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I’ve not kept track of what all the allegations were. But the one’s that I’ve heard thus far didn’t sound like potential criminal violations and thus a criminal investigation on them doesn’t sound justifiable.
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I suppose the “potential criminal violations” need to be spelled out for you, then.

Biden was videotaped telling a group of foreign policy specialists that he “threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.”

The prosecutor he got fired, Viktor Shokin, was at that time leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

U.S. banking records also show that Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

Shokin had made “specific plans” to investigate all members of the executive board of Burisma including Hunter Biden.

How is Biden using the political resources of the United States, in the form of loans to Ukraine, to stop another country from investigating his son not a potential criminal violation?

If this had been Donald Trump threatening another country with the withdrawal of $1 billion in US government loans unless they dropped investigations into one of his or his son’s companies, do you really suppose there would be no political outrage?

Seriously? A “criminal investigation on them” REALLY wouldn’t “sound justifiable?”

Trump has been subject to two years of investigation at the hands of Mueller’s Special Counsel for far, far less, on far less evidence.
 
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Cathoholic said:
It won’t matter what the Mueller Report says.
Many on the left are deeply invested in the Collusion Delusion . . . for the past (almost) three years
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By the same token, many Trump supporters are equally deeply invested in - using your word - delusions of “hoax” witch hunt" “no evidence” “coup” and other phony ideas. They have worked overtime to attack Mueller ad preemptively discredit the report. And now that the report has been filed, seem to have no appetite to look at it.
 
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To dvdjs . . .
By the same token, many Trump supporters are equally deeply invested . . .
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This is just the kind of rationalization argument I would expect.

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To other readers. . . .

Not even close. There is no “same token” here.
 
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Cathoholic said:
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dvdjs:
By the same token, many Trump supporters are equally deeply invested in delusions of :hoax" […]
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This is just the kind of rationalization argument I would expect.
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Are you sure about that? Labeling his response as a “rationalization” isn’t consistent with common usage of the word.
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ra·tion·al·i·za·tion​

/ˌraSH(ə)n(ə)ləˈzāSH(ə)n,ˌraSH(ə)n(ə)līˈzāSH(ə)n/

noun
  1. the action of attempting to explain or justify behavior or an attitude with logical reasons, even if these are not appropriate.
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The response from @dvdjs doesn’t look like an explanation or justification. It looks like an observation.
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ob·ser·va·tion​

/ˌäbzərˈvāSH(ə)n/

noun: observation ; plural noun: observations
  1. the action or process of observing something or someone carefully or in order to gain information.
    1.1. the ability to notice things, especially significant details.
  2. a remark, statement, or comment based on something one has seen, heard, or noticed.
synonyms: watching, monitoring, scrutiny, examination, inspection, scrutinization, viewing, survey, surveillance, surveying, attention, consideration, study, review
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HarryStotle said:
I suppose the “potential criminal violations” need to be spelled out for you, then.
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Thanks. I really just needed the allegations. But the explanations are good. In this attention economy Biden not being a person of much interest for me right now doesn’t get a lot of my currency.
 
Theo520 said:
They’ve been vindicated, this group you describe
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I’m not quite sure of that, especially since it has been stated that the report has been mischaracterized. For now I’m reserving judgement until portions of the report are made public.
 
Wrong.Trump has already called for full disclosure of the report.
Meanwhile the D ms just keep ging with the same story if they just keep digging they are sure they will find something ,anything…soooo tedious🙄
 
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ThinkingSapien said:
I’m not quite sure of that, especially since it has been stated that the report has been mischaracterized. For now I’m reserving judgement until portions of the report are made public.
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Two yrs and nothing of consequence has come out, only ongoing innuendoes. Such innuendoes can work before and during an investigation, but not when it is done and the conclusion stated.

In every other legit investigation, issues of consequence were either leaked or shared. We clearly knew what HRC did wrong, even if the DOJ didn’t want to file charges. We knew what Bill and Nixon had done, etc etc.
 
ThinkingSapien . . .
Are you sure about that? Labeling his response as a “rationalization” isn’t consistent with common usage of the word.
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She lost. Get over it.
 
Theo520 said:
You are still trying to pretend it’s not over
so you can fling your innuendoes.
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Have I flung innuendos?
I have, for some time, been advising all to await judgement until we see the report.
I think that this is still good aivce.
 
Theo520 said:
Two yrs and nothing of consequence has come out, only ongoing innuendoes
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I’m not making any innuendos. I need information to make confident conclusions. I’m okay with waiting for information.
 
dvdjs said:
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Theo520:
They’ve been vindicated, this group you describe
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I will await the report. 700 pages is a lot for “no evidence”.
No one in ths group has or could be “vindicated” without the report.
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He has a lot of ‘splainin’ to do to justify two years of time, dozens if not hundreds of investigators and millions of dollars spent. All of those amount to more verbiage, otherwise it would stink to high heaven of being a colossal waste of time, energy and resources, instead of just giving the distinct aura of being one.
 
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