Cool it? Bishop says Malacañang provoked Church

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MANILA, Philippines–“Will you be calm if you are held at gunpoint?”

Archbishop Ramon Arguelles posed this question as the rift between Malacañang and the Catholic Church widened with the bishops withdrawing from a dialogue last week with the Aquino administration on the controversial reproductive health (RH) bill and declaring an “all-out war.”

Malacañang on Monday said it was astounded at the incendiary rhetoric coming from some elements of the Catholic hierarchy and said men of the cloth should behave properly with circumspect.

“The Church has been calm on the issue but they have provoked us,” Arguelles said over Church-run Radio Veritas on Monday.

The Lipa archbishop cited President Benigno Aquino III’s warning that prolife groups threatening to mount tax boycotts and other forms of civil disobedience faced sedition charges.

Malacañang officials, using state radio, said on Sunday the bishops should “calm down a bit” and explain their position “within the means of law” on the proposed measure to control a runaway population growth rate blamed for worsening poverty.

“We can’t be calm when the results of similar bills like [the RH bill] are evident in other countries … We can’t be calm because they are pushing for what is not right,” Arguelles said.

Sorsogon Bishop Arturo Bastes also advised the youth on Monday not to be swayed by their favorite celebrities rabidly promoting the family planning measure “as they do not know what they are talking about.”

Pacquiao endorsement

Bastes also lamented how these celebrities did not thoroughly study the effects of the RH bill, especially on the morality of the youth, before publicly endorsing it.

But the prelate said he was glad that not all celebrities were behind the bill, particularly lauding boxing champion and Sarangani Rep. Manny Pacquiao for supporting the Church position.

Bastes said that Pacquiao would be among the bishops’ visitors in Tuesday’s quarterly permanent council meeting of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines.

The bishops’ Episcopal Commission on Family and Life also appealed to lawmakers on Monday not to short-cut the debates in Congress.

“Our only appeal is for them not to short-cut the debates, that every single provision must be extensively discussed, including every issue behind the RH bill so that our legislators can vote on it wisely and prudently,” Fr. Melvin Castro, the commission’s executive secretary, told reporters.

Palace astounded

Presidential spokesperson Edwin Lacierda on Monday said the Palace was astounded and saddened by the “highly inflammatory” statements by some bishops who have branded Mr. Aquino and the RH bill supporters as “murderers, or Bin Laden or Herod.”

Lacierda disclosed in a Palace briefing that when there was a report months ago that the Church would excommunicate the President for supporting the bill, Mr. Aquino told him: “Let’s not throw stones. Let’s give them bread.”

“So, we continue our cooperation with them in areas where we can share agreements,” he said.

“Insofar as the disagreements that we have, we will respect them for that. We will not throw stones. We will continue to throw bread at them … We will turn the other cheek, as what we’ve always done. The President is very respectful of the bishops. We expect men of faith to behave accordingly.”

Nothing personal

Lacierda also said that he did not think there was a rift between the Church and the State. He said those making inflammatory statements were “individual bishops whom I don’t know if they are allowed to speak in the name of the Church.”

“Will the real representatives speak up?” Lacierda said.

“We have not said anything against the bishops personally or accused them or called them names. And we do not intend to start. We hope they would slow down and ponder the effects of what they are saying.”

In Congress, Akbayan Rep. Kaka Bag-ao on Monday cautioned the Church against pushing for a “tax revolt” in its anti-RH bill drive.

“This is precisely what big-time tax evaders are praying for,” she said. “Armed with a new milieu to exploit a particular issue, these major tax cheats might ride the anti-RH bandwagon just to avoid paying taxes.”

Source: newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20110517-336925/Cool-it-Bishop-says-Malacaang-provoked-Church
 
For readers not familiar with the Philippines, Malacañang is the presidential palace, much like the White House is for the United States.

The escalating tension between the Catholic bishops of the Philippines and the presidential administration is truly remarkable, at least to my eyes. I can’t think of any other examples, in recent history, of a country’s bishops collectively opposing its president or prime minister in an intense and prolonged campaign.
 
For readers not familiar with the Philippines, Malacañang is the presidential palace, much like the White House is for the United States.
Thanks for explaining.
The escalating tension between the Catholic bishops of the Philippines and the presidential administration is truly remarkable, at least to my eyes. I can’t think of any other examples, in recent history, of a country’s bishops collectively opposing its president or prime minister in an intense and prolonged campaign.
Is it true that bishops are urging their followers to disobey laws, like evading taxes, to pressure the government not to pass the RH bill?
 
Is it true that bishops are urging their followers to disobey laws, like evading taxes, to pressure the government not to pass the RH bill?
According to the article, that proposal is coming from pro-life groups, rather than the bishops. On the other hand, the bishops don’t seem to be distancing themselves from the idea other than to suggest that it is a premature tactic.
Bishop Deogracias Iniguez Jr. of Kalookan said that while the church is not advocating civil disobedience “for now,” Catholics are obliged not to follow any law that violates their faith.
“Eventually if the measure becomes law, Catholics will not obey it. If the state orders something contrary to your faith, you are obliged not to follow it,” said Bishop Iniguez, head of the bishops’ public affairs commission.
uscatholic.org/news/2011/05/catholics-warned-not-withhold-taxes-protest-pending-health-bill
 
What is happening in the Philippines is “go forth and divide” 🤷
 
Good for them for sticking up to their principles of the one true faith that got them to the dance floor.

It seems all too often Bishops here in the States are opposed to rock the boat over anything, why they want to be liked, invited to all the cool parties…‘lets make our faith more like the others’.

Here in NY our pro abortion Gov who lives in sin with his girlfriend receives Holy Communion from the Bishop. Now the Gov is pushing for homosexual marriage…I wonder what the Bishops opinion on that is?

Eventually we’ll be faced with mandatory euthanasia at age 70…and they’ll make it sound so very reasonable…and who will speak up?
 
Thanks for explaining.

Is it true that bishops are urging their followers to disobey laws, like evading taxes, to pressure the government not to pass the RH bill?
Not at this time, and likely any such civil disobedience would not involve tax evasion. Something more like, say, strike action would be in the cards. Now some pro-life laymen and priests might be calling for that. But certainly not the bishops.
 
Good for them for not rendering unto Caesar.The Philipinos are such warm and devout people and it is sad to see the series of quasi dictators they have been saddled with.Undoubtably this has been fomented by American and UN desires to impose abortion and contraception on 3rd world countries.Those in government have clearly forgotten the miracle that prevented Marcos from firing upon his own people.
 
The Philipinos are such warm and devout people
I agree very much
and it is sad to see the series of quasi dictators they have been saddled with.
Hm?

Are you saying that President Benigno Aquino III is a quasi-dictator? Why would you say that?

What about his predecessor, Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo? Or her predecessors? Granted, I can see that label being applied to Ferdinand Marcos, but he stepped down from power 25 years ago.
Undoubtably this has been fomented by American and UN desires to impose abortion and contraception on 3rd world countries.
This may be true (or may not be true.) What evidence have you seen that President Aquino’s initiative is being fueled by American and UN pressure?
 
The Philippines is signatory to the UN’s Millennium Development Goals Project.
unmillenniumproject.org/documents/SRHbooklet080105.pdf
Santi, thank you for taking the time to respond. Certainly that document places great emphasis on sexual/reproductive health (including family planning, safe motherhood as well as prevention, treatment and care of STIs including HIV/AIDS) as key to achieving its poverty reduction goals. And it mentions expanding access to abortion, where permitted by law.

However, aren’t the recommendations of the the document voluntary? I’m guessing your other links addressed that issue, but unfortunately they don’t seem to be working. Would you be willing to check them, and re-post if necessary?
 
Santi, thank you for taking the time to respond. Certainly that document places great emphasis on sexual/reproductive health (including family planning, safe motherhood as well as prevention, treatment and care of STIs including HIV/AIDS) as key to achieving its poverty reduction goals. And it mentions expanding access to abortion, where permitted by law.

However, aren’t the recommendations of the the document voluntary? I’m guessing your other links addressed that issue, but unfortunately they don’t seem to be working. Would you be willing to check them, and re-post if necessary?
I reckon, being signatory to the MDG compels the member country to assent and implement recommendations, Dale.

Hope the following links work this time.

ippf.org/NR/rdonlyres/8E19D867-2336-4F2F-B078-D15818DFBE49/0/Philipdossier.pdf

ippf.org/NR/rdonlyres/74E9E7B7-3364-4940-B6CC-4A789432FEC1/0/Philippines.pdf

A Filipino parishioner in my Parish directed me to the website below which provides plenty on the proposed legislation on population control, which seems to include abortion based on the legal analysis provided.
filipinosforlife.com/the-secular-perspective/

As you say, the Bishops and the faithful are truly remarkable.
 
Link to article

“When we take stock of progress since 1994, there are positive changes—such as the paradigm shift from population control to reproductive health and rights. There are negative trends—such as a failing will to implement the Plan of Action and, not least, the tragic lack of resources. And there are still needs crying out for urgent attention—such as the challenge of adolescent sexuality and the tragedy of maternal mortality.”

This is a quote from an article called something like Social Justice and reproductive health. What got to me was their coming right out and calling it a paradigm shift from population control to “reproductive health.” Paradigm shift? I guess that’s what the culture of death cAlls it when people swallow their lies.

And yes later in the article they did mention that lower population leads to improved economies, but I have not seen a single shred of evidence for that actually happening, and in the nations where a drop in population followed a rise in the economy, well, you can see where we are now without that population.

So sad to see this happening in the Phillipines. I have met some wonderful people from there.

So sad, and so evil.
 
You know, it’s sad that the son of a man who fought the Marcos dictatorship is embracing Marcosian policies (Marcos threatened to do the same thing in the 70’s. Unfortunately, he found that the Church was not willing to go quietly in the night.).

A lot of the problems this bill is supposed to solve could be solved if Noynoy decided to focus his efforts on land reform, say, or providing better roads, schools and hospitals, or cracking down on the corruption of the top 1% of society. But instead he embraces the corruption of the top 1% instead, because they provide him with financial support.

Yep, it looks like Aquino the Younger is thinking he wants to be the next Juan Peron.
 
You know, it’s sad that the son of a man who fought the Marcos dictatorship is embracing Marcosian policies (Marcos threatened to do the same thing in the 70’s. Unfortunately, he found that the Church was not willing to go quietly in the night.).

A lot of the problems this bill is supposed to solve could be solved if Noynoy decided to focus his efforts on land reform, say, or providing better roads, schools and hospitals, or cracking down on the corruption of the top 1% of society. But instead he embraces the corruption of the top 1% instead, because they provide him with financial support.

Yep, it looks like Aquino the Younger is thinking he wants to be the next Juan Peron.
Are you related to Pepeng Cojuanco, the uncle of Noynoy Aquino? 😉
 
I agree very much

Hm?

Are you saying that President Benigno Aquino III is a quasi-dictator? Why would you say that?

What about his predecessor, Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo? Or her predecessors? Granted, I can see that label being applied to Ferdinand Marcos, but he stepped down from power 25 years ago.

This may be true (or may not be true.) What evidence have you seen that President Aquino’s initiative is being fueled by American and UN pressure?
Please read the following-Ottawa refuses to fund abortion in G8 plan
Campbell Clark
Halifax— From Tuesday’s Globe and Mail
Published Monday, Apr. 26, 2010 10:12PM EDT
Last updated Tuesday, May. 11, 2010 9:03AM EDT
Canada is refusing to fund abortion services as part of a G8 initiative to improve the health of mothers in poor countries.(NICE EDITORIALIZING BY THE GLOBE AND MAIL)

Just as G8 officials arrived in Halifax for talks on the maternal-health initiative on Monday, the Conservative government said that other Group of Eight nations can finance projects that include abortion services if they choose – but Canada won’t.

•G8 talks kick off in Halifax
•Halifax police arrest G8 protester
•For maternal health, hope at last
However, the political stumbles and controversy over abortion in Canada, the host of this June’s G8 summit, raised concerns that the position could lead to clashes with other countries and slow progress on the initiative, which is aimed at REDUCING CHILDBIRTHh and infant deaths(THROUGH ABORTION???) through vaccinations, better nutrition, clean water and basic medical care.

The Harper government’s flip-flops(THERE WERE NO FLIP_FLOPS THE ANSWER WAS AN UNEQUIVOCABLE NO!) on whether it would provide aid to programs that include contraception, and its stand against abortion, have already caused tension.

Last month, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and British Foreign Secretary David Milliband said any maternal-health initiative must include family planning and access to safe abortions.

On Monday, International Co-operation Minister Bev Oda tried to smooth away those conflicts. The G8 talks in Halifax this week will include consideration of family-planning projects, but Canada won’t fund abortions, she said, adding that other G8 countries can make that part of their contribution if they want.

theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-refuses-to-fund-abortion-in-g8-plan/article1547671/

Canada refused to sign this initiative as it would push abortion on 3rd world countries like the Philipines.Hilray Clinton had the effrontry to come to Ottawa to lecture our Prime Minister.We have nothing to brag about as our ACTIVIST UNELECTED Supreme Court vacated the abortion laws so we have NONE.But at least our Prime Minister refused the American(READ OBAMA) led UN agenda to foist abortion on third world countries.

Clinton Blasted for Pushing Abortion in Canada’s G8 Maternal Health Plan
by LifeSiteNews.com
Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:15 EST
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By Patrick B. Craine

OTTAWA, Ontario, March 31, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Canadian and U.S. pro-life leaders are denouncing U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton after she weighed in Tuesday on the debate over the Canadian government’s G8 maternal and child health initiative, insisting plainly that abortion is necessary for maternal health.

“You cannot have maternal health without reproductive health. And reproductive health includes contraception and family planning and access to legal, safe abortion,” she told reporters when asked about Canada’s G8 initiative.

Reacting to Clinton’s comments, Mary Ellen Douglas, national organizer for Campaign Life Coalition (CLC), told LifeSiteNews (LSN), “How dare she stick her pro-abortion nose into Canadian politics. Hasn’t she done enough damage to the unborn in the U.S.?”

lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2010/mar/10033108

The UN IS the G8 for all practical and economic purposes.It is about as useful as the League of Nations and don’t kid yourself it’s aim is one world secular government.

You asked.I answered.As far as quasi dictators go you know darned well the presidency is rotated amongst the wealthiest of the Philipino Family Compact to borrow a Canadian term.Any populist candidate with potential would be found with his throat slit.Ask a Philipino-one who isn’t related to the officer corps of the military or the aparachik or the elite rich.It is a pretend democracy.

Their main export is people and Canada will take as many as we can of these hardworking,intelligent,gentle ,devout,joyful,beautiful,generous people as we can.Have you ever been to a Philipino party?-there is nothing like it in the universe.

Salamat sa Dios Siya nilikha Philpinos!!!:):):):):):)🙂
 
The right phrase should be “Salamat sa Dios at nilikha nya ang mga Pilipino” which is “Thank God for He made Filipinos”
 
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