Copernius, Galileo wrong. Church right. Any apologies?

[oldcelt]

I would also like to add one thing, it is impossible to argue against geo-centricism. I have seen some try, but they fail, it is a vain attempt, but well done for trying, but the bottom line is it is impossible to argue against geo-centricism. There is no argument capable of doing that, and that is because it is a perfectly valid way of explaining the observable universe. Since it is a perfectly valid way of explaining the universe and it fits all the rules of observation, **I don’t see any need to deny it as a valid explanation of the way things work. **It is certainly far more simpler than the Capernican model it involves far less mechanics.

For some reason when someone says “geo-centricism” the response is “so the earth is flat”. Is that an ethical response, or is it just simply a conditioned reflect action?

Except that observable and provable science is against it. If it is unimportant to you, that’s fine, but you having seen a few discussions is no proof of geocentrism. The earth rotates on its axis and orbits around the sun every 365 days. The moon orbits earth about once every 30 days…even ancient man knew this.

 

[Darryl_B]

Except that observable and provable science is against it. If it is unimportant to you, that’s fine, but you having seen a few discussions is no proof of geocentrism. The earth rotates on its axis and orbits around the sun every 365 days. The moon orbits earth about once every 30 days…even ancient man knew this.

And it is statements like that which make it more convincing.

 

[oldcelt]

And it is statements like that which make it more convincing.

I’m not here to teach astrophysics 101. Our science got us to the moon and back and has gotten probes to every planet in our solar system. It seems to have been proven time and again except to those who think it threatens some religious imperative.

Here’s a compromise: the Earth can be the spiritual center of the universe. Other than that it is a rather insignificant, mid-sized planet orbiting a mid-size star in one of the outer bands of the Milky Way Galaxy…and so on.

 

[PRmerger]

I’m not here to teach astrophysics 101. Our science got us to the moon and back and has gotten probes to every planet in our solar system. It seems to have been proven time and again except to those who think it threatens some religious imperative.

I hope you exclude the Catholic Church in that indictment. The CC has been, and continues to be, a great patron of science.

 

[oldcelt]

I hope you exclude the Catholic Church in that indictment. The CC has been, and continues to be, a great patron of science.

Had I made an indictment, which I did not, simply made a statement, I would exclude the CC. I have always considered the church to be quite gutsy and admirable `when it comes to science.

 

[PRmerger]

I have always considered the church to be quite gutsy and admirable `when it comes to science.

Awesome.

 

[Zipply]

Always amazed this is still popular with some people. Always amazed that they think it is a problem of relative geometry. It’s not. It was a problem of relative geometry back when the forces were not known or imagined. Now that we know the Sun/Earth system rotates about the center of mass of the system, you can’t ever go back to any previous system. This is why, if you do the tedious job if digging way back in the old internet, before Sungenis et al became so polished at sowing doubt in basic human knowledge, you can find earlier iterations of their Catholic geocentrism that are full of appeals to magic and fanciful substances like Aether. It’s silly and embarrassing, and it not only violates Augustine’s teaching on the use of scripture, it rejects the teaching of the popes over 140 years on the interpretation of the OT.

No one should have anything to do with geocentrism, for spiritual reasons!