Coptic (but strongly considering Maronite)

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Addai said:
Well in all fairness Altar server is 13 years old (according to his public profile). I’m sure he’s a very mature 13 to be posting here, but people should cut him some slack if he doesn’t express himself very well, and makes mis statements.
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My bad I didnt mean to pick on the young guy
 
Yasouna said:
The person who argues with me about this ar Maronite priests
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lol Oh man I did not see that one coming! 😃

Well my response would be that “This is from your own Tradition. It comes from the original Apostolic Paradosis (the oldest Syriac liturgies use it, St. James and Mari and Addai)” for the reasons previous listed. It was removed because of Latinization, and Church policy and philosophy is to “rediscover their roots” and deLatinize to perserve and proclaim every Eastern Catholic Church’s spiritual heritage.

If I felt I knew the priest well and had some rapport (and he wouldn’t take offense), I might chuckle and say “You sound like a Protestant”.

Now I can see the possibility that the laity and clergy may not really want to adopt this; because by now they can enjoy some of their latinizations (and even see them as Maronite). Which is fine. But architecture is one component that is listed under components of the liturgy. If they are spending a lot of time trying to reconstruct real authentic Anaphoras, prayers, and what not, then logically they should bring this back too.
 
I would like to give a point of clarification regarding the curtain used by the Syriac churches.

The sanctuary curtain is not necessarily emblematic of the traditional Semitic use, though certainly that is its origin. The curtain is actually termed a veil, and is used to symbolize the veil that was placed between man and God at the fall. The moving of the veil represents the fullness of Creation being revealed, and thus the Syriac’s individual expression of the bread and wine becoming the Body and Blood of Christ.

The veil is Maronite tradition and was used until it’s official suppression shortly after the Council of Trent. It is a great and wondrous thing for it to be returned to our churches, such a beautiful example of Syriac spirituality.

Peace and God Bless.
 
Sorry I was wrong but I read on a web site that the eastern churches had never used that version of the Creed I assumed they were talking about Maronites to .
God Bless+
Praised Be Jesus Christ 🙂
 
The veil is Maronite tradition and was used until it’s official suppression shortly after the Council of Trent. It is a great and wondrous thing for it to be returned to our churches, such a beautiful example of Syriac spirituality.
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if only the roman rite would retain their beautiful and organically developed latin traditions.
 
Hey Addai

i am Maronite

it is great to belong to this Catholic Eastern and Dynamic Church.

Which has never broken away from the Church

and proud believer of all the Church’s teachings

Has had many Saints and martyrs

Has a rich and beautiful history

Renowned for strength and devotion

If you would like to contact me that would be fine with me and will be great to hear from you
 
ASimpleSinner said:
I second this. There is no singular “East” in the sense of a penultimate pristine singular expression that is the hallmark of all churches East of the West. Some churches never had icon screens (the current form we use in Orthodox and Greek Catholic Churches is a rather late modern usage just a little older than the Reformation, ditto the sakkos and “crown mitre”) the highly canonical (in the sense of many governing canons) traditions of iconography, or even even the same or similar self-concepts of various traditions being sacrosanct in a fashion.

On that last concept, I mean simply to say that “Greeks” (shorthand for Byzantine-Greco-Slavonic) tend to have a less fluid concept of liturgy (being heavily reliant on concepts and ideals of “pristine tradition” a la Byzantium or Holy Rus) than some other Eastern Churches.
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The Maronite do have there own iconography

maronite-heritage.com/html/liturgical.html

on that site some can be found
 
Altar_Server_01 said:
Well the Maronites are interesting and don’t worry about the filioque the Catholic church teaches that it was not in the original creed and not required for use none of the eastren right churches have ever used the verison of the creed with the filioque in it and I pefer not to use it it originated in Spain to defend aginst a herresy saying Christ was created and not always there I strongly hope for reunion but I must let you know I don’t t Maronites are of the belief of the duel natures of Christ
Good luck on your Journey 🙂
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The Maronites have always been in full alliance to Rome

We believe fully the two natures of Christ

Peace be with you
 
maronite said:
Hey Addai

i am Maronite

it is great to belong to this Catholic Eastern and Dynamic Church.

Which has never broken away from the Church

and proud believer of all the Church’s teachings

Has had many Saints and martyrs

Has a rich and beautiful history

Renowned for strength and devotion

If you would like to contact me that would be fine with me and will be great to hear from you
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Thanks Maronite! 🙂
 
I am a sub deacon in the Maronite Catholic Church in Atlanta Ga.
Although I took my training in the Western Rite (Latin Church) as well as the Eastern Rite (Maronite Church) If there is an area in which you wish to learn more about the Maronite Church, I will be more then happy to assist you.
I am a first time writer and viewer of the Catholic Answer, I do subscribe to the magazine, If this is the way we can communicate so be it.
 
subdeacon said:
I am a sub deacon in the Maronite Catholic Church in Atlanta Ga.
Although I took my training in the Western Rite (Latin Church) as well as the Eastern Rite (Maronite Church) If there is an area in which you wish to learn more about the Maronite Church, I will be more then happy to assist you.
I am a first time writer and viewer of the Catholic Answer, I do subscribe to the magazine, If this is the way we can communicate so be it.
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Thanks, as I was trying to ask in another thread that went nowhere.

"These are basically some lingering questions I’ve had after reading “Captivated By Your Teaching”, and various message boards and web sites.
  1. How integrated is your your Church with the various para church ministeries found in Latin Catholicism? For instance
a) the Catholic Charismatic movement can be big in some places. Do Maronites attend some of healing eucharists and prayer meetings associated with that? Or have their own equivalents (besides traditional Holy Unction etc.)?

b) how bout Cursillo?

c) The Knights of Columbus

D) various Catholic Charities, like St. Vincent de Paul etc."
 
Dear Addai,
Regarding your questions regarding intergration , our members are free to intergrate with any and all movements of the Catholic Church,
The Charismatic movement is not one of them.
I peronally belong to a Cursillo group.
We have an order in the Maronite church known as the Order of St. Sharbel, however as mentioned above we also have members belonging to the knights of Columbus.
We are do assist the various chartibale organizations of the Latin Church as well as our own.
Below I have listed an link that you may want to contact ;
We have two chanceries in the United States representing the East and West Coast Our Brooklyn office is www.stmaron.org
our St.Louis office is www.eparchyla.org

I am still available to you if need be.
 
I see that Maronites have adopted the Rosary. Is use of the Rosary mandatory for penance, etc. ?
 
Addai said:
I see that Maronites have adopted the Rosary. Is use of the Rosary mandatory for penance, etc. ?
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Yes, Maronites have adopted the Rosary very faithfully

No, it not a recquriment for Penance, the priest may still assign the Penance accordingly

i am friends with the priestly author of “Captivated by your teachings.” would you like to get in contact with him?
 
Addai said:
I see that Maronites have adopted the Rosary. Is use of the Rosary mandatory for penance, etc. ?
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The Maronites adopted the Rosary due to Latinizations by the Jesuits, I believe. While it is a good practice, it is foreign to traditional Maronite spirituality, which was more monastic in practice. From what I have heard and read, many Maronites are starting to rediscover their Syriac roots and embrace them. I have no problem with them rejecting the Latinisms to return to their patrimony.

I hear there is a Maronite church in Texas that has a semi-bema structure. How cool is that?👍 Maronties are even starting to rediscover iconography, which I think is beautiful.

Alaha minokhoun,
Andrew
 
maronite said:
Yes, Maronites have adopted the Rosary very faithfully

i am friends with the priestly author of “Captivated by your teachings.” would you like to get in contact with him?
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yes that would be good. I also like talking to the rest of you to get a broad perspective of your Church.

I had some questions regarding a prominent web page that has recently been moved or taken down or moved on “Traditional MARONITE Fast and Abstinence”

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(in vigour until at least the 1920’s)
(Cf. Fr. R… Janin, A.A. Les Eglise orientales et Les Rites orientaux, Paris 1922)

The practise of fast and abstinence was regulated by the MARONITE synod of 1736
Fast: eating and drinking forbidden until midday
Abstinence: abstaining from eating all meat, oil, wine and animal products (eggs, milk, cheese etc.)
  1. Great Lent from Quinquagesima to Easter abstinence every day; fasting every day except on Sundays and Saturdays (with the exception of Holy Saturday)
  2. Apostles Lent abstinence four days 25th - 28th June
  3. Assumption Lent abstinence eight days 7th - 14th August
  4. Christmas Lent abstinence twelve days 13th - 24th December
  5. Abstinence every Wednesday and Friday except: from Christmas to Epiphany, the Friday before Great Lent, from Easter to Pentecost, June 24th and 29th; August 6th and 15th
6 Forbidden food Like most oriental Christians, the MARONITEs kept the Mosaic ban on eating blood, suffocated animals and certain animals considered impure; and which Oriental Church Councils have many times renewed.
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I take it the forbidden foods thing is not followed very much. Because in browsing the web I’ve seen a number of Maronite churches that serve pork! Is that right?

Concerning the rest how common is the traditional practice followed? I would say, it doesn’t look too bad. The Coptic Church does more fasting, although is a little more strict in some areas like the use of oil, and they don’t have minor fasts (that allow seafood).

I’ve also read Captivated’s chapter/section on that. It sounded like they followed minimum fasting guidelines that were similar to Vatican II Latin one. But were encouraging people to do more as positive spiritual practice (rather then legalistic mind set).

Anyway this was one area that I found encouraging so far.
 
subdeacon said:
Dear Addai,
Regarding your questions regarding intergration , our members are free to intergrate with any and all movements of the Catholic Church,
The Charismatic movement is not one of them.
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Could you elaborate on that last sentence?
 
The Maronite Church, in regards to fasting, does not set high requirements but does ask its members to do whatever they feel they can. The Eparchs released suggested more traditional guidelines for fasting this past lent . I can’t remember what they were right now, but I will find them and post it for you Addai.
 
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