Coronavirus testing and lockdowns have not reduced death rates in some places, researchers say

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Coronavirus testing and lockdowns have not reduced death rates in some places, researchers say​

The US just topped 4 million COVID-19 cases on Thursday​

By Shawn M. Carter | Fox News

Widespread coronavirus testing and lockdown measures have not helped some countries reduce deaths caused by the virus, according to research from the medical journal The Lancet.

Scientists in Canada, Greece and a U.S. institution in Texas poured over public data for 50 countries and their health authorities, such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

They concluded that actions taken by the governments – such as border closures, stay-at-home orders and testing – “were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality,” contrary to prevailing policies in the U.S. and elsewhere, according to researchers.

“Although containment measures implemented in countries like China, South Korea and Taiwan have reduced new cases by more than 90 percent, this has not been the case in many other countries such as Italy, Spain and the United States,” the report said.

The data did not explicitly state why lockdowns and testing didn’t result in lower death rates, but some observers pointed to “herd immunity,” where people highly exposed to the virus build antibodies that stop it from spreading. In Sweden, where shutdowns were not initiated, the daily death count in mid-July dropped to the single digits, a Washington Times article reported. . . .
 
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Here is the Washington Times article referenced above.

Lockdowns, testing don’t cut COVID deaths: Lancet​

Rowan Scarborough - The Washington Times - Thursday, July 23, 2020

Two of the U.S.’s major weapons against the coronavirus–––lockdowns and wide testing––do not reduce death rates, according to a study posted in the British medical journal Lancet.

The study comes as Democratic governors, such as Gavin Newsom of California, want to keep many businesses and all schools closed.

Four scientists from institutions in Canada, Greece and Texas consumed huge amounts of website data for 50 countries and their various government health authorities, such as the the U.S.’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, came to this conclusion:

“Government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality.”

That conclusion is stiff push back to the prevailing policies in the U.S. and Europe. It would seem to be vindication of Sweden’s policy response to COVID-19 infections: no shut downs and no wide spread testing. After suffering a peak in deaths this spring, Sweden’s daily death count in mid-July has plunged to the single digits.

Observers credit the decrease to “herd immunity”–––a natural build up of anti-bodies that thwarts the virus’ spread. . . .

. . . The study also cast doubt on a nearly universal belief that massive testing is the vehicle to identifying the infected and isolating them to reduce deaths. . . .

. . . The Lancet study does not explicitly say why lock downs and massive testing do result in lower death rates. But statistically it found a higher morbidity rate in countries that have increased obesity and gross domestic product. The U.S. fits both categories. America has one of at the world’s highest obesity rates. The CDC puts the adult rate at over 40 percent.

And the study notes that Asia has enjoyed better results from closures than Western nations. . . .
 
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this has not been the case in many other countries such as Italy, Spain and the United States
“Government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality.”
Because they’ve been doing it all wrong. Testing only tells you the presence. The next step is to act based on that and other data. And the actions chosen were all terrible. Places like Australia (except for one state), Norway, Germany and New Zealand acted in the right manner for their own circumstances.
some observers pointed to “herd immunity,” where people highly exposed to the virus build antibodies that stop it from spreading
No country has herd immunity. The Swedes are far, far from that.
 
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ATraveller . . .
No country has herd immunity. The Swedes are far, far from that.
I am inclined to agree with you here.

Never-the-less, I am just reporting from the article, which is just reporting from the researchers.
 
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People are not doing the right thing. Thats why. Immunity is a myth, given data is showing its non existent or temporary.

When will the deniers take this pandemic seriously.
 
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umamibella . . .
Immunity is a myth, given data is showing its non existent or temporary.

When will the deniers take this pandemic seriously.
If “immunity is a myth” what is there to take “seriously”?

What would your advice be?

And what is a “denier”? Are the authors of the study “deniers” Is the data the “denier”? What is being denied?
 
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If “immunity is a myth” what is there to take “seriously”?
The layers we can put in place to limit the spread and suppress this virus.
What would your advice be?
Thats my advice
And what is a “denier”? Are the authors of the study “deniers” Is the data the “denier”? What is being denied?
Denier rhetoric

Young dont get it
young dont die
young dont get sick
children are immune
children dont get it
children dont pass it on

old peoples disease
no such thing as this virus

chinese plot
chinese virus
5 G
masks dont help
crowd gatherings are ok, you dont get the virus from them
masks will make it ok to be in a crowd
the political kidnapping of this virus by some countries.

The denier list goes on.
 
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umamibella . . .
Denier rhetoric

Young dont get it
young dont die
young dont get sick
children are immune
children dont get it
children dont pass it on

old peoples disease
no such thing as this virus

chinese plot
chinese virus
5 G
masks dont help
crowd gatherings are ok, you dont get the virus from them
masks will make it ok to be in a crowd
the political kidnapping of this virus by some countries.

The denier list goes on.
I disagree.

There are so many things made-up here I don’t know where to begin.

So I won’t bother to begin.
 
oh and my favourites

It wont spread in summer, why then are there 4 million known cases in one summer country
I disagree.

There are so many things made-up here I don’t know where to begin.

So I won’t bother to begin.
if you are going to accuse me of making stuff up, lying, then either scientifically disprove what I have listed one by one, or be noble and retract what you just said

political rhetoric and news media stories are not science
 
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umamibella. Who has said ANY of these things here on CAF??

You may have gotten such things from conspiracy theory items or sites (who knows?), but I haven’t seen ANY posters here say such outrageous claims.

You are creating a straw-man and arguing against your own made-up premises here.

Do you have anything to say about the topic?
 
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umamibella . . .
Denier rhetoric

Young dont get it
young dont die
young dont get sick
children are immune
children dont get it
children dont pass it on

old peoples disease
no such thing as this virus

chinese plot
chinese virus
5 G
masks dont help
crowd gatherings are ok, you dont get the virus from them
masks will make it ok to be in a crowd
the political kidnapping of this virus by some countries.

The denier list goes on.
umamibella . . .
if you are going to accuse me of making stuff up, lying, then either scientifically disprove what I have listed . . .
As Charlie Brown would say: “Good grief!”

As I said earlier. Do you have anything to say about the topic?
 
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umamibella. Who has said ANY of these things here on CAF??
You asked me this
If “immunity is a myth” what is there to take “seriously”?

What would your advice be?

And what is a “denier”? Are the authors of the study “deniers” Is the data the “denier”? What is being denied?
You did not qualify it with

here on Caf, but

a quick search of caf will yield this rhetoric in abundance
 
umamibella . . .
If “immunity is a myth” what is there to take “seriously”?

What would your advice be?

And what is a “denier”? Are the authors of the study “deniers” Is the data the “denier”? What is being denied?
umamibella . . .
You did not qualify it with

here on Caf
The context is the OP article.

You can’t just float between the OP, the thread, and something else and expect people to know what you are talking about.

If you think these attitudes are so prevalent, go ahead and post evidence of your assertion.

I have no doubt you can find such things. After all, you have opened your argument up to the internet now.

So go ahead and show me what you are alluding to and I will respond accordingly.

umamibella . . .
a quick search of caf will yield this rhetoric in abundance
No it won’t.

umamibella . . .
Your utter lack of charity towards me is Close to flaggable
Actually umamibella it’s the other way around.
I have been very patient with your claims (claims that so far you have not substantiated).
 
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