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MartinJordan
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SK this makes no sense. How could Islam accept the Bible names of Jesus ’ disciples since you mention no verifiable evidence based on assumptions and/or secondary sources?
Dont avoid my question please.
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Dont avoid my question please.
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SalamKhan
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It’s an irrelevant question, because the disciples of Isa ibn Maryam aren’t even named in the Qur’an. Secondly your New Testament isn’t the only source for the names of the disciples. I’ve mentioned several times that the Gnostics and so called ‘Judaizers’ also claimed to receive their teachings from the disciples. My goodness, just because some Muslim exegetes name the disciples, doesn’t mean Islam accepts the authenticity of the New Testament.
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MartinJordan
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You are moving the goal post. I’ve been asking the official Islamic references. Please provide it.
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SalamKhan
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I don’t understand your question.
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MartinJordan
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Since you are so sure the 4 Gospels cannot be verified then which Islamic reference is used to trace the followers of Isa? He wasn’t alone right so what are their names?
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SalamKhan
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I never claimed that Islamic sources are used to trace chains of transmission to Prophet Isa ibn Maryam (A) and his disciples. We know Isa ibn Maryam (A) was a Prophet and Messenger because the Qur’an, divine revelation affirms this. Similar to how Prophet Musa (A) knew of men who lived before Ibrahim (A), such as Adam (A) and Nuh (A).
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MartinJordan
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So no Islamic reference of names are available despite the claim that Jesus had followers that were with him. Thank you.
Can you provide for me the official Islamic references of the Gnostics?
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Roseeurekacross
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Answer the question, how can you objectively verify you got 40 virgins waiting in heaven. Since you claim your writings are verifiable.
Dont throw around terms such as objective verification, if you wish to be subjective in your definition of such terms.
You claim your muhammed’s teachings can be scientifically verified. Which will include verifying things like your virgins in heaven as reward for killing.
The methods used by your religious ideology, and my Church, if the words objective verification are used…
WILL BE SCIENTIFICALLY QUANTIFIABLE. And measurable.
What you are proposing is not science. You are proposing similar to Aboriginal songlines. Tradition handed down orally, and written, through that oral tradition, over the centuries.
I would not enter a dating based , or any science based evidence discussion with you as you clearly have no education in how that is achieved.
We are not here discussing the Bible. I have not made the claim it is objectively verifiable.
I dont need to. I know who wrote it. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.
You prove your point. You claimed it.
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KathleenGee
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Muhammed only was able to sway his kin to his beliefs…and he became violent, his ‘apostles’ violent, killing, subjugating…dhimmitude…all in contrast to the new life the Holy Trinity provides us.
Didn’t Muhammed state to overcome Constantinople and Rome…Romiyya?
Saudi Arabia has been known for having its textbooks in schools teach to ‘wipe Christianity off the map’.
Palestine, Syria, Egypt, Asia Minor, Northern Africa…all these teeming Christian populations who were conquered in the name of Islam…the slave trades…the concubines and polygamy…
It looks more like the caving in to the worst passions of murder, lust, enslavement…both on those who perpetrate and its victims.
I listened yesterday pm to the homily given at the Good Friday televised at the Vatican by Fr Capuchin Cantalamessa.
Didn’t Muhammed state to overcome Constantinople and Rome…Romiyya?
Saudi Arabia has been known for having its textbooks in schools teach to ‘wipe Christianity off the map’.
Palestine, Syria, Egypt, Asia Minor, Northern Africa…all these teeming Christian populations who were conquered in the name of Islam…the slave trades…the concubines and polygamy…
It looks more like the caving in to the worst passions of murder, lust, enslavement…both on those who perpetrate and its victims.
I listened yesterday pm to the homily given at the Good Friday televised at the Vatican by Fr Capuchin Cantalamessa.
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KathleenGee
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In contrast to the violent passages in the Quoran and in response to the Old Testament’s dictates to stone sinners…
The Jews were spiritual children just like those of ancient times. But through the ages, the Jewish people grew in faith and practice. Today the Jews are among the most highly educated people in the world and have a history of providing great contributions to humanity.
But it is through the fulfillment of Christ that Judaism is fulfilled as it is Christ, the Incarnate Word, that draws all of creation up to Himself…this said at His Crucifixion.
When you wish to discuss ‘Corpus of Church Traditions’, likewise there is an indirect reference to that which comprises ‘He Ekklesia Katolika’ the name St. Ignatius of Antioch so named the Church in 107 AD…the Universal Church, comprised of the apostolic patriarchs of Jerusalem, Alexandria, Antioch, Rome, and Constantinople.
It is the Living Corpus of Jesus Christ, His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity Who is the life source of the Corpus of His Bride, the Church.
If you wish to reflect more on the Corpus of Church Traditions, regarding the homily given
on Good Friday at the Vatican by Fr Cantalamessa…it was about the lanced that pierced Christ’s body after He died…where blood and water came out. This homily only given yesteday.
Jesus said He would rebuild the temple in 3 days…and we know this is His Resurrection, that Jesus IS the Corpus of the Church. John 2:19-21, this blood and water gushing from this ‘dead temple’.
Jesus is the fulfillment of the Bible.
Excerpts from the Homily:
'In the OT, Ezekiel speaks of a future temple of God, with water flowing from its side that was at first a stream and then a navigable river, and every form of life flourished around it, Ez 47:1.
John speaks deeper into the source of the ‘rivers of living water’ John 7:38 coming from the pierced heart of Christ…we see the symbol as well of the sacrificial Lamb standing though slain Rev 5:6, pierced but resurrected and alive.
There exists now, within the Trinity and in the world, a human heart that beats not just metaphorically but physically…his heart likewise raised from the dead…After the sacrifice of Christ, more intense that the heart of darkness…a heart of light beats in the world. Christ, in fact, ascending into heaven, did not abandon the earth, just as He did not abandon the Trinity in becoming incarnate.
Christ’s death on the Cross…'What does the cross represent in being this fixed point, this mainmast in the undulation of the world? It is the definitive and irreversible “no” of God to violence, injustice, hate, lies - to all that we call “evil”, and at the same time the irreversible “yes” to love, truth, and goodness. “No” to sin, “Yes” to the sinner. It is what Jesus practiced all his life and that He now definitively consecrates with His death.
The Cross, then does not “stand” against the world but for the world: to give meaning to all the suffering that has been, that is, and that will be in human history. Jesus says to Nicodemus, “God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him”. John 3:17. The Cross is the living proclamation that the final victory does not belong to the one who triumphs over others but to the one who triumphs over self; not to the one who causes suffering but to the one who is suffering.’
I strongly urge you to read this beautiful homily given yesterday “O CRUX, AVE SPES UNICA”…
The Holy Trinity is the Living God Who remains with us…one can destroy churches and take the lives of Christians…but all these acts only bring about many conversions and rebirth of the Church.
All the authentic teachings of countless Christians down through time all affirm the one same Lord.
You cannot kill the corpus of our faith because the Corpus is Christ and you cannot kill God.
The Jews were spiritual children just like those of ancient times. But through the ages, the Jewish people grew in faith and practice. Today the Jews are among the most highly educated people in the world and have a history of providing great contributions to humanity.
But it is through the fulfillment of Christ that Judaism is fulfilled as it is Christ, the Incarnate Word, that draws all of creation up to Himself…this said at His Crucifixion.
When you wish to discuss ‘Corpus of Church Traditions’, likewise there is an indirect reference to that which comprises ‘He Ekklesia Katolika’ the name St. Ignatius of Antioch so named the Church in 107 AD…the Universal Church, comprised of the apostolic patriarchs of Jerusalem, Alexandria, Antioch, Rome, and Constantinople.
It is the Living Corpus of Jesus Christ, His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity Who is the life source of the Corpus of His Bride, the Church.
If you wish to reflect more on the Corpus of Church Traditions, regarding the homily given
on Good Friday at the Vatican by Fr Cantalamessa…it was about the lanced that pierced Christ’s body after He died…where blood and water came out. This homily only given yesteday.
Jesus said He would rebuild the temple in 3 days…and we know this is His Resurrection, that Jesus IS the Corpus of the Church. John 2:19-21, this blood and water gushing from this ‘dead temple’.
Jesus is the fulfillment of the Bible.
Excerpts from the Homily:
'In the OT, Ezekiel speaks of a future temple of God, with water flowing from its side that was at first a stream and then a navigable river, and every form of life flourished around it, Ez 47:1.
John speaks deeper into the source of the ‘rivers of living water’ John 7:38 coming from the pierced heart of Christ…we see the symbol as well of the sacrificial Lamb standing though slain Rev 5:6, pierced but resurrected and alive.
There exists now, within the Trinity and in the world, a human heart that beats not just metaphorically but physically…his heart likewise raised from the dead…After the sacrifice of Christ, more intense that the heart of darkness…a heart of light beats in the world. Christ, in fact, ascending into heaven, did not abandon the earth, just as He did not abandon the Trinity in becoming incarnate.
Christ’s death on the Cross…'What does the cross represent in being this fixed point, this mainmast in the undulation of the world? It is the definitive and irreversible “no” of God to violence, injustice, hate, lies - to all that we call “evil”, and at the same time the irreversible “yes” to love, truth, and goodness. “No” to sin, “Yes” to the sinner. It is what Jesus practiced all his life and that He now definitively consecrates with His death.
The Cross, then does not “stand” against the world but for the world: to give meaning to all the suffering that has been, that is, and that will be in human history. Jesus says to Nicodemus, “God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him”. John 3:17. The Cross is the living proclamation that the final victory does not belong to the one who triumphs over others but to the one who triumphs over self; not to the one who causes suffering but to the one who is suffering.’
I strongly urge you to read this beautiful homily given yesterday “O CRUX, AVE SPES UNICA”…
The Holy Trinity is the Living God Who remains with us…one can destroy churches and take the lives of Christians…but all these acts only bring about many conversions and rebirth of the Church.
All the authentic teachings of countless Christians down through time all affirm the one same Lord.
You cannot kill the corpus of our faith because the Corpus is Christ and you cannot kill God.
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SalamKhan
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Clearly, you are getting emotional because either:
Answer the question, how can you objectively verify you got 40 virgins waiting in heaven. Since you claim your writings are verifiable.
Dont throw around terms such as objective verification, if you wish to be subjective in your definition of such terms.
You claim your muhammed’s teachings can be scientifically verified. Which will include verifying things like your virgins in heaven as reward for killing.
The methods used by your religious ideology, and my Church, if the words objective verification are used…
WILL BE SCIENTIFICALLY QUANTIFIABLE. And measurable.
What you are proposing is not science. You are proposing similar to Aboriginal songlines. Tradition handed down orally, and written, through that oral tradition, over the centuries.
I would not enter a dating based , or any science based evidence discussion with you as you clearly have no education in how that is achieved.
We are not here discussing the Bible. I have not made the claim it is objectively verifiable.
I dont need to. I know who wrote it. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.
You prove your point. You claimed it.
- You don’t know what you’re talking about.
- You are experiencing some sort of cognitive dissonance from being unable to defend your traditions.
youtu.be/a2D0iBvhXeo
Do you realise, Mr. ‘Scientist’, that secular historians also study oral tradition?
youtu.be/K08vUnVpHcw
If you dismiss oral tradition, you condemn your Church, since many Catholics and Orthodox point out that it was Tradition which birthed the Scriptures.
And please don’t claim to be certain on a matter when you are clearly not; what an awful attempt at damage control.
One more thing, if you want to bring up an Islamic teaching, present it according to the sources rather than misrepresenting them.
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SalamKhan
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Kathleen,
This time last year, I was an ex Muslim and I wanted to become Catholic; you can even see that on the older posts I made on this forum. So I would appreciate it if you would stop preaching to me and actually stick to the topic at hand; since I’ve heard it before…
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KathleenGee
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I see yes I do recall now that you are a former Christian.
I inherently pointed out to you on the Holy Trinity post that there is no purpose why Allah created you or anything else, that he can do whatever he wants to people including his own believers, that he created things he hates, that if you are not in the right place and time to convert to Islam, in times past, you could be killed for refusing…and that Allah has no love for his creation.
Many Muslims are converting to Christ. There are possibly many more but if they left Allah they would face apostasy and be killed
So are you still doubting becoming a Muslim?
Did you see the testimony of the imam Mario Joseph, who was confused about his belief in Islam…Muhammed mentioned only 4 times in the Qur’an and Christ, 25’s, Muhammed who died and never returned, did no miracles…and prayed to Allah to find the right way…and he came to the passage in the Qur’an, "So if you (O Muhammed SAW) are in doubt that we have revealed unto you, (i.e. that your name is written in the Taurot (Torah) and the Injeel (the Gospels( before you. So be not of those who doubt it’.
This verse encourages those who are doubting to turn to the Bible Old Testament and the Gospels.
The Qur’an describes Christ as the Word of God, the Spirit of God and the Christ.
And Christ is the life of the Church…He lives in those who are truly living in Him…there are those who get baptized culturally, get married in a church and die in one culturally…in any parish you can find all the people all on different levels of faith.
I inherently pointed out to you on the Holy Trinity post that there is no purpose why Allah created you or anything else, that he can do whatever he wants to people including his own believers, that he created things he hates, that if you are not in the right place and time to convert to Islam, in times past, you could be killed for refusing…and that Allah has no love for his creation.
Many Muslims are converting to Christ. There are possibly many more but if they left Allah they would face apostasy and be killed
So are you still doubting becoming a Muslim?
Did you see the testimony of the imam Mario Joseph, who was confused about his belief in Islam…Muhammed mentioned only 4 times in the Qur’an and Christ, 25’s, Muhammed who died and never returned, did no miracles…and prayed to Allah to find the right way…and he came to the passage in the Qur’an, "So if you (O Muhammed SAW) are in doubt that we have revealed unto you, (i.e. that your name is written in the Taurot (Torah) and the Injeel (the Gospels( before you. So be not of those who doubt it’.
This verse encourages those who are doubting to turn to the Bible Old Testament and the Gospels.
The Qur’an describes Christ as the Word of God, the Spirit of God and the Christ.
And Christ is the life of the Church…He lives in those who are truly living in Him…there are those who get baptized culturally, get married in a church and die in one culturally…in any parish you can find all the people all on different levels of faith.
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SalamKhan
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No offense, but the truth is not based on whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. But the truth is the truth, regardless of how people feel.
If Allah had a motive for creating His creation, once again, that would make him dependent on His creation, which would mean He was lacking or deficient prior to creating His creation; which is impossible. If Allah was deficient, then contingent things would never come into existence, and it is self evident that is not the case. Allah was perfect prior to creating His creation, and always will be perfect.
Allah is the creator of good and evil. Evil is contingent and therefore created, and all contingencies are within the Power and Will of Allah. For it is impossible for something to come into existence outside of His Power and Will, nothing is equal to or greater than His Power and Will, as that would make His Power and Will deficient; and that is impossible, for nothing contingent would ever come into existence, and it is self evident that is not the case. The creator of evil, Allah, is necessary and uncreated, therefore He is not evil nor does He become evil after creating evil, just as He is not contingent nor does He become contingent after bringing every other contingency into existence.
I have heard of Mario Joseph, and you are incorrect in stating that the Prophet (S) never performed inimitable miracles.
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KathleenGee
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Disagree.
Our rejection of God and all His grace creates sin.
Satan is the author of lies.
God created all Good.
God does not create bad. Why both, why waste His time?..what purpose is a god who creates evil? who contradicts himself and has no love?
Look at Iraq now…they are fighting everywhere…self destruction.
Satan wants the world to self destruct.
So then god makes himself a tool of satan.
Not good and self contradiction…
The One True God does not contradict Himself. Christ fulfilled and restored God’s creation back to Him, the Heavenly Father.
The stories of Christ in the Qur’an are more like gnostic fables, passages that don’t pertain to any purpose, others are embellishments of emotions.
Sorry…
Our rejection of God and all His grace creates sin.
Satan is the author of lies.
God created all Good.
God does not create bad. Why both, why waste His time?..what purpose is a god who creates evil? who contradicts himself and has no love?
Look at Iraq now…they are fighting everywhere…self destruction.
Satan wants the world to self destruct.
So then god makes himself a tool of satan.
Not good and self contradiction…
The One True God does not contradict Himself. Christ fulfilled and restored God’s creation back to Him, the Heavenly Father.
The stories of Christ in the Qur’an are more like gnostic fables, passages that don’t pertain to any purpose, others are embellishments of emotions.
Sorry…
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SalamKhan
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You are the one who is making Satan a rival to God, by asserting that Satan’s power and will is equal to or greater than God’s. This is dualism, the incorrect idea that good and evil are both equally and eternally conflicting forces; this is exactly what the Gnostics believed in.
As I have stated once before, there is a wisdom for everything Allah does, although it may not be clear to us. But you are insistent on attributing deficiencies to God, by asserting that He needs to have a motive and thus is dependent on what He created, by asserting that He has no power over evil and thus His Power and Will are diminished, and by denying His dominion and ownership over all things; you are insistent on making God similar to contingent beings, and thus created.
It is no wonder that new atheism has been on the rise in the West, and the so called ‘problem of evil’ and the question of ‘who created God?’ persists in their minds. Because they were surrounded by dualists who believe in a god similar to contingent beings.
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KathleenGee
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Allah should make himself clear but he cannot.
So he is deficient.
And Islam has its jinn…demons…and its own concept of evil and the devil.
I see Islam exorcisms of people having demons cast out.
Why did Islam need the Bible or the Gospels to believe in its concept of God?
As I showed you in the Qur’an, when in doubt go to the Old Testament and then the Gospels…to find out assurance in belief in God and likewise look at the progression of the Jewish people from uncivilized people who had to appease sin by stoning people to Christ who called those who wanted to stone…those do it who have never sinned.
Muhammed and Christ contradict each other very much.
And Muhammed rode past Jerusalem, never entered it and had no interest in it. It was the Umayyids who conquered Jerusalem and made false claims…another that Muhammed ascended into heaven…sounds like it came from Christ’s ascension into heaven…at a particular site in Jerusalem.
Historians state that if Muhammed did rise to heaven in that spot…he would have done so next to the Catholic Church of St. Mary Major of Justinian…that took up to 705 AD or so for the Muslims to destroy…and they try to destroy all relics and archeological artifacts in Jerusalem…
The stories of Christ and Mary…that are mentioned more than the existence of Muhammed are written more fable like and do not carry the Word of God.
You are not sure of your beliefs.
Go back as the Qur’an is exhorting you…to the OT and to the Gospels and then compare the Gospels and Christ’s words…to Muhammed’s.
Very different and contradictory.
Truth always is given to us, God is All Knowing and thus is fully capable of making all clear.
The ten commandments are brilliant and concise and simple, easy to understand.
So he is deficient.
And Islam has its jinn…demons…and its own concept of evil and the devil.
I see Islam exorcisms of people having demons cast out.
Why did Islam need the Bible or the Gospels to believe in its concept of God?
As I showed you in the Qur’an, when in doubt go to the Old Testament and then the Gospels…to find out assurance in belief in God and likewise look at the progression of the Jewish people from uncivilized people who had to appease sin by stoning people to Christ who called those who wanted to stone…those do it who have never sinned.
Muhammed and Christ contradict each other very much.
And Muhammed rode past Jerusalem, never entered it and had no interest in it. It was the Umayyids who conquered Jerusalem and made false claims…another that Muhammed ascended into heaven…sounds like it came from Christ’s ascension into heaven…at a particular site in Jerusalem.
Historians state that if Muhammed did rise to heaven in that spot…he would have done so next to the Catholic Church of St. Mary Major of Justinian…that took up to 705 AD or so for the Muslims to destroy…and they try to destroy all relics and archeological artifacts in Jerusalem…
The stories of Christ and Mary…that are mentioned more than the existence of Muhammed are written more fable like and do not carry the Word of God.
You are not sure of your beliefs.
Go back as the Qur’an is exhorting you…to the OT and to the Gospels and then compare the Gospels and Christ’s words…to Muhammed’s.
Very different and contradictory.
Truth always is given to us, God is All Knowing and thus is fully capable of making all clear.
The ten commandments are brilliant and concise and simple, easy to understand.
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SalamKhan
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What is clear to me, is that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
You boast about how simply and easy your teachings are, yet prior to this you kept preaching about how the Trinity cannot be comprehended and is the central mystery of Christian life.
You claim that God cannot contradict Himself, yet you speak negatively of the corporeal punishments of the Torah which were prescribed by God and abandonment of the corporeal punishments is a ‘progression’. You are a modernist.
The account of the Isra is Mutawatir, therefore authentic. In reality, the teachings of Prophets Isa ibn Maryam (A) and Muhammad (S) were congruent with each other and not contradictory. You do not understand the verses of the Qur’an, so do not claim it teaches that which it does not. Islam is the religion of Ibrahim (A), Ismail (A), Ishaq (A) and Yaqub (A). As you can see in the Old Testament, Ibrahim (A) and Yaqub (A) practiced polygamy, and Yaqub (A) even venerated a stone and used it as a marker for Bet El (House of God).
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KathleenGee
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You have difficulty in understanding Christ as fulfilling the law, of making all of us a new creation…through His life in Word and Sacrament.
What about Christ telling those about to stone the woman that he who did not sin should pick up the stones…and they dropped them. It also shows we are not to judge other people and kill them because they are not Muslim. This is nothing to do with modernism. Or Christ warning those who live by the sword die by the sword.
Where is the human progress within Islam? The devil moves concentrically…
Our faith is defined in the Apostolic Tradition from Scripture and the Catechism and you totally ignored what was given to you.
You speak of us as being emotional…and likewise do you know it is considered pathological to have no empathy for the millions who have died under the sword of Islam?
Where is your compassion? your mercy? Is Allah’s mercy extended only to Muslims?
Unfortunately what we see is either the indifference to the suffering by Muslims to non Muslims or Muslim on Muslim violence. If not having strong rulers, Islam could implode within itself.
You cannot defend Muhammed. You cannot define your heaven’s purpose to us and all its earthly passions and lusts and wine.
Right now many Muslims are converting to the One True God because of the counter witness and enslavement and violence they see…and I will keep it…within the framework of this present world and not go any further.
If you get hold of a Catholic Catechism, our beliefs are defined as well as give you the sources of our faith found in Sacred Scripture.
God bless and guide you!
What about Christ telling those about to stone the woman that he who did not sin should pick up the stones…and they dropped them. It also shows we are not to judge other people and kill them because they are not Muslim. This is nothing to do with modernism. Or Christ warning those who live by the sword die by the sword.
Where is the human progress within Islam? The devil moves concentrically…
Our faith is defined in the Apostolic Tradition from Scripture and the Catechism and you totally ignored what was given to you.
You speak of us as being emotional…and likewise do you know it is considered pathological to have no empathy for the millions who have died under the sword of Islam?
Where is your compassion? your mercy? Is Allah’s mercy extended only to Muslims?
Unfortunately what we see is either the indifference to the suffering by Muslims to non Muslims or Muslim on Muslim violence. If not having strong rulers, Islam could implode within itself.
You cannot defend Muhammed. You cannot define your heaven’s purpose to us and all its earthly passions and lusts and wine.
Right now many Muslims are converting to the One True God because of the counter witness and enslavement and violence they see…and I will keep it…within the framework of this present world and not go any further.
If you get hold of a Catholic Catechism, our beliefs are defined as well as give you the sources of our faith found in Sacred Scripture.
God bless and guide you!
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Roseeurekacross
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Salemkhan,
I have not read your replies to my last posts. It is Easter Sunday here, the reason we are saved, the day satan, death and sin were defeated.
Even you can find Salvation in God, and the Trinity. Everyone can, all that is needed is asking.
Seek and you shall find.
The difference is faith is a Grace given by God alone. Our Faith does not begin as an intellectual debate,
But as a seeded gift, given us by God.
I have been reading your history.
You start with seemingly innoculous questions, Catholics/ Christians answer,
Then you proceed to push your agenda for pages.
This is against forum rules.
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Turn into the light this Easter Sunday. I will pray for you in Mass this morning, and your family.
I have not read your replies to my last posts. It is Easter Sunday here, the reason we are saved, the day satan, death and sin were defeated.
Even you can find Salvation in God, and the Trinity. Everyone can, all that is needed is asking.
Seek and you shall find.
The difference is faith is a Grace given by God alone. Our Faith does not begin as an intellectual debate,
But as a seeded gift, given us by God.
I have been reading your history.
You start with seemingly innoculous questions, Catholics/ Christians answer,
Then you proceed to push your agenda for pages.
This is against forum rules.
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Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks, threats, and crude or sexually-explicit language. See the Concierge Desk sub-forum for more information.
Inappropriate or offensive user names, profile entries, or pictures are not permitted.
Messages should be short. Do not post lengthy replies (including replies that consist largely of quotes from an earlier message).
Do not view the discussion area as a vehicle for single-mindedly promoting an agenda.
Non-Catholics are welcome to participate but must be respectful of the faith of the Catholics participating on the board.
Catholics must be charitable in their discussions about non-Catholic belief and practice.
Turn into the light this Easter Sunday. I will pray for you in Mass this morning, and your family.
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