Costs and Benefits of Guns

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liturgyluver said:
But…we do blame drugs for the drug problem. By your logic they should be freely availble too?

I think the analogies you post are very strange - we try to prevent drunk driving by making it illegal to drink and drive, and to prevent obesity by encouraging healthy lifestyle choices.

There were 11,000 gun homicides in the US last year, a not insignificant number and as a previous poster showed the homicide rate in the US is just appalling. The question then becomes, if it is not the guns but people, then why does the US specifically have such a bad people problem with homicide and murder rates literally off the scale in the western world? That is the issue that needs to be addressed urgently.
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BECAUSE OF THE WAR ON DRUGS. It sends people to gladiator schools and produces gladiators, not rehabiliated citizens. We send many more to jail than any other country on earth, we get what we get because of that.
 
liturgyluver said:
I agree that it is the guns andsomething else that needs to be identified. Historically homicide rates have always been high in the US - even higher before drugs and welfare…so there must be other factors at play.
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Kids coming from single parent homes kill much more often than kids coming from 2 parent homes.

edit in: and poverty.
 
liturgyluver said:
But…we do blame drugs for the drug problem. By your logic they should be freely availble too?

I think the analogies you post are very strange - we try to prevent drunk driving by making it illegal to drink and drive, and to prevent obesity by encouraging healthy lifestyle choices.

There were 11,000 gun homicides in the US last year, a not insignificant number and as a previous poster showed the homicide rate in the US is just appalling. The question then becomes, if it is not the guns but people, then why does the US specifically have such a bad people problem with homicide and murder rates literally off the scale in the western world? That is the issue that needs to be addressed urgently.
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What % of these drug and gun ppl were wearing casual clothing and sneakers as opposed to a tux and black spit shined leather shoes to go with the tuxes?
 
Cristiano said:
Do you have any understaning of the chemistry of drugs? I think that you should inform yourself on the basics on the effects of drugs on the human brain before comparing them to guns.

Are you willing to explain to me why the states and the federal government are not using the laws that are already in the books to prosecute peeople and keep them at bay?

Are you serious when you ask the why the USA have such a bad problem with homicides compared to a lot of other countries? It is called the culture of death, and now that the same culture is propagating in the other countries and you can see the same trends that you have in the USA. Once you have a culture of death either the citizens kill each other or the government does that. How many pepole do die at the hands of goverments in countries where the have a big culture of death and very restrictive laws?
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Plus we put a ton of resources to catch small time dealers and users, something other countries don’t do. This leads to more violence and more going into gladiator schools (prisons).
 
liturgyluver said:
I agree that it is the guns andsomething else that needs to be identified. Historically homicide rates have always been high in the US - even higher before drugs and welfare…so there must be other factors at play.
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Well the % of drug addicts in the USA has remained constant since before any drug was legal. So it’s either the war on drugs (which, lets face it, is a war on brown and black poor people) or welfare or something that hasn’t been suggested yet… oh, it could be single parent homes as those kids kill far more often than other poor kids who have 2 parents.
 
Bill_7154 said:
The showing of a gun (by a citizen) stops hundreds of thousands of crimes every year, deterrence of crime happens because when people know a large % of citizens own guns in a particular area, it allows people to live lives free of stress from bad ppl doing bad things to them or ppl in their houses, etc…
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  • If that is true how come the murder rate and the crime rate is so high in the USA?
  • Are you saying it could be even worse?
  • Is American society so fundamentally different from other civilized societies and this is the reason why crime rates are so high?
  • And if so why?
 
perro_sarnoso said:
“most violent nation in the world” covers much more than just gun weilding criminals and lunatics.

The “violent nation” status-based only on gun possession is a very narrow snapshot. We are violent in attitude; in programming; in sports; in video games in which we prepare our children for the violence ahead in their lives.

There’s violence towards women, children and the elderly…without guns!! physical, psychological and emotional violence.

Never mind abortion, euthanasia and legal violence against our religious values- prostitution; sex slavery; buying and selling of humans and human organs. Largest importer of illegal drug use and largest exporter of weapons for illegal activity. Not talking about the “accidental” export of legal weapons falling into the wrong hands “by mistake”.

The fact that we are no longer a christian nation is the greater part of who we’ve become.

Pray for America and the Americans that live in her. God bless us-Americans; and bring us back to A Christian Nation.
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Don’t forget that we start or jump in every war around the globe. Gov’t is the most violent, and they all use very very big guns.
 
liturgyluver said:
Because gun-related murders in the US number over 11,000. And gun-related death in the US (the proportion adjusted for population) is higher than anywhere else in the western world.
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What is inherently wrong with a ‘gun related death’?
 
Brendan said:
But total violent crime is a lot lower, especially than UK. London’s total violent crime rate is almost 7 time higher than New York? How do you explain that?
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Last time they picked a fight with us. We told them to leave us alone. They got all arrogant, we handed their behinds to them. Now they learned don’t pick on ppl.
 
Bill_7154 said:
Well the % of drug addicts in the USA has remained constant since before any drug was legal. So it’s either the war on drugs (which, lets face it, is a war on brown and black poor people) or welfare or something that hasn’t been suggested yet… oh, it could be single parent homes as those kids kill far more often than other poor kids who have 2 parents.
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So maybe we should ban divorce.
 
liturgyluver said:
explain the high us homicide rate - that was what i was talking about. Why do americans use their guns to kill each other when no other western country seems to?
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it’s the war on drugs, how many times do i need to tell you guys, it’s the war on drugs!!!
 
triumphguy said:
  • If that is true how come the murder rate and the crime rate is so high in the USA?
  • Are you saying it could be even worse?
  • Is American society so fundamentally different from other civilized societies and this is the reason why crime rates are so high?
  • And if so why?
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Welfare and war on drugs subsidizes and encourages criminal lifestyles. Also the prison-industrial complexes turns non-violent criminals into violent ex-cons. The US incarcerates more people than any nation on Earth.
 
smndtupidisaftr said:
I argue that it’s the drug war and welfare both of which encourage and subsidize certain lifestyles.
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You, Sir, are a genius. This is 100% true. This (is why there are a lot of killings in the usa. Remove restrictions on drugs and death rates by gun drop hugely, and so does crime in general. www.leap.cc says so as well and they are experts on the front lines of the drug war.
 
Bill_7154 said:
it’s the war on drugs, how many times do i need to tell you guys, it’s the war on drugs!!!
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It is the wars between drug dealers, sometimes it is the customers who are trying to stiff them.

There are two vested interest in maintaining the illegality of drugs the cops and the suppliers together they keep the prices high.
 
stevegravy said:
It is the wars between drug dealers, sometimes it is the customers who are trying to stiff them.

There are two vested interest in maintaining the illegality of drugs the cops and the suppliers together they keep the prices high.
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Criminals love that drugs are illegal. It subsidizes their business. It’s violent because it’s forced underground. Making booze during prohibition was also violent. It’s not violent at all now that it’s legal and out in the open.
 
liturgyluver said:
The good old USofA is still the highest for the all homicide rate, not just guns.
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It’s the highest for those in prison too- I say they are gladiator schools- and they are put there because of the drug war. So that’s closer to the source of violence than a trigger on a gun.
 
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