Cough me up ONE scripture passage . .

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homer said:
bible.ca/catholic-questions.htm

Makes you think doesn’t it?

You are always asking for a proof for Sola Scriptura, proof proof proof… The question that should be asked after you visit the web site and read the questions is: Can you give me a proof that YOUR tradition is the true one? And please do not mention “we are the only true church” thing… bla bla bla. This is not a proof. The Holy Bible is a physical thing I have in hand. It is the Word of God for sure and the Word of God DOESN’T CHANGE and can always lead me in the right direction. Understand this: YOU DO NOT NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER SOURCE THAN THE WORD OF GOD.
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You need to get rid of the attitude.
 
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SPOKENWORD:
CC , You need to get rid of that attitude that you need to defend the faith. The FAITH has been defended by the Holy Spirit for over 2000 years. What you need to show protestants on this forum is Gods love, They will know we are christians by our love.If we cant be Christlike in our actions then we have no business being on this forum. We are here to learn from each other, also that we may grow in Christ. 😉
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Are you Catholic? I thought you were protestant. Just curious.🙂
 
homer said:
bible.ca/catholic-questions.htm

Makes you think doesn’t it?

You are always asking for a proof for Sola Scriptura, proof proof proof… The question that should be asked after you visit the web site and read the questions is: Can you give me a proof that YOUR tradition is the true one? And please do not mention “we are the only true church” thing… bla bla bla. This is not a proof. The Holy Bible is a physical thing I have in hand. It is the Word of God for sure and the Word of God DOESN’T CHANGE and can always lead me in the right direction. Understand this: YOU DO NOT NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER SOURCE THAN THE WORD OF GOD.
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Makes me think you have a chip on your shoulder, anger in your heart, and a blind eye to the Truth. Can’t you be more charitible and civil like Shibboleth? Don’t you see that very few, if any of us take you seriously when you adopt this tone?
 
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jimmy:
That verse is not really a support for sola scriptura. All the words coming from Gods mouth do not have to be written in the bible. But I will say that pretty much every Catholic belief is grounded in scripture.
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I thought it was pretty good.

Matthew 4:1-11: In the context of the temptation of Christ we see Him responding 100% of the time by quoting scripture to the devil. So if Sola Scriptura worked for Jesus in resisting the Devil in the desert, why can’t it work for me? Wasn’t Christ’s life an example to us? Isn’t that a good Sola Scriptura argument? (I admit, the temptation of Christ in the desert takes more than one scripture verse.)

So nice try, but I am still not convinced of Sola Scriptura any more.

As Father Corapi was saying on EWTN last night.
Jesus was teaching His disciples. Matthew 16:13-16. Even though they had all heard Jesus’s words, only Peter got the answer right. It is easy to misinterpret scripture in many places. Far better that we have the Holy Spirit to guide us. And the teaching of the Church Fathers and magesterium to clarify matters. Otherwise, it is not hard to be deceived by cults.

You Sola Scriptura folks should notice that a Catholic is trying to argue better than you are. Maybe we do know better.
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I think this discussion would work better if we acknowledge there are different degrees of Sola Scriptura that eventually lead to Solo Scriptura. All Sola Scriptura is not the same. Shibboleth’s position is much different than Homer’s. Are you looking for a discussion more along the lines of Solo Scriptura aka Bible alone, or Sola Scriptura along the lines of Martin Luther or along the lines of Calvin? All are distinctive with variations in between.
 
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jmm08:
How about Deuteronomy 8:3. “…not by bread alone does man live, but by every word that comes forth from the mouth of the LORD”. The contrast-idea style of Hebrew poetry implies that man can rely solely on God’s word.
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You’d need to provide a verse indicating that “word of God” is a refernce to scripture at all let alone a reference always and only to scripture. Otherwise, this doesn’t even pertain to sola Scriptura let alone support it. 🙂
 
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Shibboleth:
The Latin expression “sola scriptura” refers to the authority of the Holy Scriptures to serve as the sole norm for all that is taught and confessed in the church. In numerous passages the Scriptures claim this authority for themselves as the inspired Word of God. For example, St. Paul writes in 2 Tim. 3:16, “All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (RSV). Likewise, the apostle Peter declares that “no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God” (2 Pet. 1:20-21; RSV). It should be remembered that acceptance of the Bible as the sole authority for teaching comes not from rational arguments or human traditions, but is a conviction produced by the Holy Spirit in the human heart. In other words, it is a matter of faith worked by the Holy Spirit through the Scriptures themselves (see 1 Thess. 2:13)!

There is, of course, no contradiction between 2 Pet. 1:20 and what Peter says later in 3:15-16. That the Scriptures may be difficult for human beings to understand in certain places does not take away from their divine authority. In fact, St. Peter’s words underline the necessity and importance of praying for the Holy Spirit’s guidance to properly interpret Scripture as we “grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Pet. 3:18; emphasis added).

Hope this helps…
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Catholics don’t deny that Sacred Scripture has authority. Our faith comes from Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and Magesterial Teaching. If we didn’t have all three, we wouldn’t be hearing what God truly wants us to hear. When Paul told Timothy this, he meant what he said, and we believe it too, as Catholics, though we don’t use that interpretation protestants use. Instead of acknowledging that ALL scripture is inspired, they interpret it to mean ONLY scripture is inspired by God. That isn’t true at all.
 
homer said:
bible.ca/catholic-questions.htm

Makes you think doesn’t it?

You are always asking for a proof for Sola Scriptura, proof proof proof… The question that should be asked after you visit the web site and read the questions is: Can you give me a proof that YOUR tradition is the true one? And please do not mention “we are the only true church” thing… bla bla bla. This is not a proof. The Holy Bible is a physical thing I have in hand. It is the Word of God for sure and the Word of God DOESN’T CHANGE and can always lead me in the right direction. Understand this: YOU DO NOT NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER SOURCE THAN THE WORD OF GOD.
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Well, we have given proof, after proof, after proof, yet you just throw it aside. I think you needed to really listen to what people had to say in past posts, and now that someone is challenging sola scriptura, now that you have no answer because every one has been refuted, turn the tables on us, but sure, I’ll say it. John 21:25, it says that Jesus, during the forty days he was on the Earth, did and said things that if were written down, the whole world couln’t contain the books that would hold the accounts of what he did. In 2 Thessalonians 2:15, Paul tells the people to “hold fast to the traditions just as I have delivered them to you, either by MOUTH or by LETTER”. These and even more, if you looked, are examples of scripture that say that

ONE-Not all that Christ did was written down
TWO-We should hold fast to what has been given to us by WORD OF MOUTH, or IN WRITING.

Also, look at the times in the Gospels when we hear Christ teaching. Does it say everything that he said in that time he taught. There are times in the gospels when it says that he taught multitudes all day, and they don’t record NEAR enough to be the only things he said. So why don’t you take a look at those?
 
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drforjc:
This is called begging the question. You assert that by saying the scriptures claim authority as the inspired word of God they teach sola scriptura. This is an unwarranted assertion.
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Please note that there are many books that WEREN’T put into the canon that claimed ot be inspired by God. Take this into account and see that the VAST MAJORITY of the books in the Bible DON’T claim divine inspiration, much less EVEN AUTHORITY. So take that into account when answering questions, drforjc.
 
Corpus Cristi:
John 21:25, it says that Jesus, during the forty days he was on the Earth, did and said things that if were written down, the whole world couln’t contain the books that would hold the accounts of what he did.
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But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. (John 20: 31)

Good enough for me! I don’t need traditions and councils and magesterial teachings… I have the WORD OF GOD in my hands. The Word of God is above every single man-made teaching in the whole world and i’m proud to say that IT IS enough.
 
homer said:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. (John 20: 31)

Good enough for me! I don’t need traditions and councils and magesterial teachings… I have the WORD OF GOD in my hands. The Word of God is above every single man-made teaching in the whole world and i’m proud to say that IT IS enough.
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But Homer, remember that scripture cannot contradict itself AND I’m sure you believe every word that comes from the mouth of God. SOOO Corpus Christi’s reference to those passages and the points he made are inclusive.

Even your reference of John 20:31 doesn’t help you make your point. It says “these are written” it doesn’t say “everything is written down” it says “these are written” . A sampling, if you will, of His teachings to go along with everything He did and said that didn’t make it onto paper (Tradition) and the Magesterium (which He also gave us).
 
Corpus Cristi:
Instead of acknowledging that ALL scripture is inspired, they interpret it to mean ONLY scripture is inspired by God.
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Exactly!!! :clapping:
 
The Written Word was enough for Jesus to fight off satan. If its good enough for Him its good enough for me. 👍
 
homer said:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. (John 20: 31)
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John is referencing his own writing here. How have you come to understand this verse to be a reference to the entire Old and New Testements? Please be specific.
Good enough for me! I don’t need traditions and councils and magesterial teachings
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Why would you not need what the early Christians needed as recorded in Acts 15, the Council of Jerusalem? Why would you need anything less than what they needed? On which scripture do you base your belief that at some point in history Councils would become obsolete and individual interpretation of the written word, nothing else, would prevail?
… I have the WORD OF GOD in my hands. The Word of God is above every single man-made teaching in the whole world and i’m proud to say that IT IS enough.
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Is the written word of God the WORD OF GOD in it’s entirety? If so, on what do you base that belief?

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question!!

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
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Catholic4aReasn:
Chapter and verse please. Thanks!

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
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Please dont make me look it up. Any way its when satan tests Jesus after being out in the desert for 40 days. Matt.4 vs.4 and vs7 and vs 10 IT IS WRITTEN SAYS THE LORD:confused:
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Please dont make me look it up. Any way its when satan tests Jesus after being out in the desert for 40 days. :confused:
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The verse you are referring to gives an example of a time when Jesus used scripture against Satan. It does not support your claim that “the Written Word was ENOUGH for Jesus to fight off satan”. Where would I find that idea supported in scripture? Thanks!

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
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Catholic4aReasn:
Chapter and verse please. Thanks!

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
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See my post #24 above. And post #9 above.

jmm08 said:
Matthew 4:1-11: In the context of the temptation of Christ we see Him responding 100% of the time by quoting scripture to the devil. So if Sola Scriptura worked for Jesus in resisting the Devil in the desert, why can’t it work for me? Wasn’t Christ’s life an example to us? Isn’t that a good Sola Scriptura argument? (I admit, the temptation of Christ in the desert takes more than one scripture verse.)
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But as I said, the Sola Scriptura crowd had better take notice that a Catholic can argue their point better than they can. And I reject Sola Scriptura. Because we aren’t Jesus. We need guidance when we read the Bible to make sure we hear the word of the Lord. As Jonestown and Branch Davidians have proved, reading Scripture and misunderstanding it can result in hearing the devil’s voice instead of hearing God’s voice. And that is quite dangerous.
 
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jmm08:
See my post #24 above. And post #9 above.

But as I said, the Sola Scriptura crowd had better take notice that a Catholic can argue their point better than they can. And I reject Sola Scriptura. Because we aren’t Jesus. We need guidance when we read the Bible to make sure we hear the word of the Lord. As Jonestown and Branch Davidians have proved, reading Scripture and misunderstanding it can result in hearing the devil’s voice instead of hearing God’s voice. And that is quite dangerous.
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But I thought we are like Jesus. The cathecism says we become Gods. We take on Christs nature. The spirit of Christ lives in me.So the written word was good enough for Jesus but its not good enough for me. Sorry but I disagree with you. :confused:
 
homer said:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. (John 20: 31)

Good enough for me! I don’t need traditions and councils and magesterial teachings… I have the WORD OF GOD in my hands. The Word of God is above every single man-made teaching in the whole world and i’m proud to say that IT IS enough.
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That’s not even close to what this passage means. It simply means that THIS IS THE GOSPEL , in capitol, bold, writing, though you can’t even see that. If you look throughout the new testament, the opinion, that “all you have to do it believe” and do nothing else, and then you’re assured salvation forever and nothing can take it away, doesn’t agree with it. Paul’s letters are nothing to prove this, because there are dozens of places where he wants them to adhere to the “tradition” that he’s passed down to them, and James makes is BLATANTLY clear that faith without deeds, works, whatever translation you have, is dead. You notice in that scriptural passage in James that he calls them fools for believing that faith without works suffices. Not that I’m calling you a fool. I don’t need to, (hint hint).
 
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