Cough me up ONE scripture passage . .

[Shibboleth]

From the Lutheran Hymn “To Me She’s Dear, the Worthy Maid:”

She wears of purest gold a crown
Twelve stars their rays are twining;
Her raiment, glorious as the sun,
And bright from far is shining.
Her feet the moon, Are set upon.
She is the bride, with the Lord to bide.
Sore travail is upon her;
She bringeth forth a noble Son
Whom all the world must honor,
Their King, the only one.

 

[Corpus_Cristi]

Shibboleth:

I could go on… I am aware of such things. Once again you misunderstand Lutheranism.

And you, Shibboleth, don’t understand Catholicism. If you did, you would either be Catholic, or ready to join an RCIA group. Those who don’t fully understand what it is the church does and teaches and why it does and teaches what it does, stay away from it and continue to make objections. Those who do, understand that this is the church that Christ founded and want to be a part of what he has for all Christians, though, which is not what all Christians take part in.

 

[E.E.N.S]

Shibboleth:

You are confusing “Sola Scriptura” with “Solo Scriptura.” The Bible has many verses on the power of the scriptures in themselves in that they are to be and have been used as the authority.

The Bible also has (many more) verses stating that it is not by Scripture alone…

Shibboleth:

I have no problem explaining our point of view but it is a matter of Faith not of Proof.

True…but WHY do you believe? (Why trust in the authority of the Catholics to say what is inspired and what isn’t - (loaded question))

Shibboleth:

I do not need to prove something to believe in that something if I did it would not be faith.

You are correct, however, you should have REASON for it (where do you get this reason? If you will say “the Bible,” then whose interpretation? And then; Why their interpretation? – These are very important questions a person should ask himself regardless of what faith he has…after all, Luther himself said only one year after he nailed the 95 Thesis to the door, “…now there are as many ‘popes’ as there are heads!” He realized the mistake and trajedy of seperating from the Church, partly because the Church is what defined Truth for the people to protect them from false truths and heresies…Luther was saying that, ‘now anyone with an opinion is saying “I see this to be true…” and “it is this…” in essence making themselves their own ‘pope’.’)
May the scales be lifted from all of our eyes!
God bless.

 

[E.E.N.S]

Corpus Cristi:

And you, Shibboleth, don’t understand Catholicism. If you did, you would either be Catholic, or ready to join an RCIA group. Those who don’t fully understand what it is the church does and teaches and why it does and teaches what it does, stay away from it and continue to make objections. Those who do, understand that this is the church that Christ founded and want to be a part of what he has for all Christians, though, which is not what all Christians take part in.

Amen. (It is so beautiful! I am in love with the Church - I only wish people could see who she really is! Eph 5:20 -+)

 

[Shibboleth]

Corpus Cristi:

And you, Shibboleth, don’t understand Catholicism.

I never claimed to… at least not all of it. Then again how many people do. I hear so many people proud of the fact that they are Cradle Catholics. I would be much prouder of those that are converts to Catholicism. The whole prodigal son… situation.

If you did, you would either be Catholic, or ready to join an RCIA group.

I doubt it. Those few things that I do understand I disagree with. The primacy of the Pope coming in at the top of that list – although I do admit that I could be wrong and I have professed many times on this board that the future is unclear and I might yet some day join the RC.

Those who don’t fully understand what it is the church does and teaches and why it does and teaches what it does, stay away from it and continue to make objections.

I think this is a bit of an oversimplification. Satan has an understanding of the RC better than most people on this Earth. I try not to make objections about the Catholic Church, although it happens from time to time. Most of the time I am defending my Faith and when it contradicts Catholicism I am by default in a contrary position. That is why I try to explain my position and not outwardly proclaim the other side wrong. I could still be wrong… I must be humble.

Those who do, understand that this is the church that Christ founded and want to be a part of what he has for all Christians, though, which is not what all Christians take part in.

Not always, sometimes this is the very thing that drives them away.

 

[RBushlow]

Shibboleth:

. . . . Those few things that I do understand I disagree with. The primacy of the Pope coming in at the top of that list – although I do admit that I could be wrong and I have professed many times on this board

I think you may mean that disagree with the supremacy of the Pope. Other groups, notable the Orthodox, recognize the primacy of the seat of Peter from “the keys of the kingdom” passage in scripture. One much more easily argue against supremacy.

that the future is unclear and I might yet some day join the RC.

We’ll continue to pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit (for ourselves as well as you).

I think this is a bit of an oversimplification. Satan has an understanding of the RC better than most people on this Earth. I try not to make objections about the Catholic Church, although it happens from time to time. Most of the time I am defending my Faith and when it contradicts Catholicism I am by default in a contrary position. That is why I try to explain my position and not outwardly proclaim the other side wrong. I could still be wrong… I must be humble.

If we were all to adopt that attitude, I think we would make a lot more progress.

Yours in Christ

 

[Catholic4aReasn]

TheTruth:

Hmmmm…seems this thread for example shown how catholics try to show how protestantism is ‘messed up’.

I love how it’s OK coming from catholics, but when someone shines a light back at the catholics it’s somehow persecutorial…

I think the point was not that all Catholics are always gracious in their comments about Protestantism but rather specifically that Catholics priests don’t take time out of public worship to teach why particular denominations are false.

In Christ,
Nancy

 

[TheTruth]

Catholic4aReasn:

I think the point was not that all Catholics are always gracious in their comments about Protestantism but rather specifically that Catholics priests don’t take time out of public worship to teach why particular denominations are false.

In Christ,
Nancy

And we all know how important it is to have an us vs. them mentality when trying to show someone why one position is better than another…

It’s funny that instead of focusing on the perceived positives of your religion, you spend the bulk of your time trying to tear down someone elses religion…just seems like a mean spirited way to go about it.

It’s not good enough to sing the positive message about your belief without bashing someone else, or is the bashing part of the joy you receive?

 

[cazayoux]

RBushlow:

…
We’ll continue to pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit (for ourselves as well as you).
…

AMEN!!

Luke 11:13
“…, how much more will the Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?”

 

[RBushlow]

TheTruth:

**Catholic4aReasn:
. . . . . . Catholics priests don’t take time out of public worship to teach why particular denominations are false.

It’s funny that instead of focusing on the perceived positives of your religion, you spend the bulk of your time trying to tear down someone elses religion…just seems like a mean spirited way to go about it.

It’s not good enough to sing the positive message about your belief without bashing someone else, or is the bashing part of the joy you receive??? I think you may have misread this. The statement indicates that the Priest does NOT take time to criticize other denominations.

Yours in Christ.

 

[Erich]

RBushlow:

Sola Scriptura means that the Bible Alone, without any other information, is sufficient.

I suppose that would explain why there’s full doctrinal agreement among all of the world’s 33,830 (according to the 2001 edition of the World Christian Encyclopedia, see adherents.com/misc/WCE.html) Christian denominations

Hmm, 33,830 Christian denominations… according to christ.or.kr/English/factoids/fac01007.htm there are only 31,173 verses in a 66-book Bible (mine has 73 books)!

 

[c0achmcguirk]

Erich:

I suppose that would explain why there’s full doctrinal agreement among all of the world’s 33,830 (according to the 2001 edition of the World Christian Encyclopedia, see adherents.com/misc/WCE.html) Christian denominations

Worst argument ever.

ntrmin.org/30000denominations.htm

 

[MariaG]

Okay, I suppose that would explain why there’s full doctrinal agreement among all of the world’s Christian Denominations. I personally have been to 3 protestant denom, and all 3 disagreed with each other on some prettey basic stuff. Baptism being the biggest. Even if there was only 3, it is still 2 too many.