Could Islam possibly be called a denomination of Christianity?

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According to the posts; It would not be reasonable to agree with protestants who profess that **“anyone” who just believes in Jesus **is saved and **is a christian? **Although many protestants and non catholics have different belief’s of who Jesus is, as do the Muslims.

So a simple “belief” in Jesus (as Muslims have of Jesus) can never label one a Christian? as protestants and non catholics profess to be christians although stemming from different belief’s about Jesus and interpreting Jesus teachings different from one protestant community to another, as do the Muslims.

So now that the world is getting smaller via internet, would non catholic evangelicals who profess only a belief in Jesus, have to make a (change) different profession of their faith? because having “only a belief in Jesus” does not neccessarily make one a Christian today.

I know Iam splitting hairs here, but I can see the Op’s direction having credence, if anyone profess’s “only” a belief in Jesus no matter how different, can be considered a christian, by those holding to a “belief in Jesus only” theology.

My question is what constitutes a christian?
nablaise;7569289]1. It is built on the common denominator of ‘protestant’ Christians who existed before Mohammad: the belief that Jesus is a Prophet and Messiah.
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Gabriel_of_12 said:
According to the posts; It would not be reasonable to agree with protestants who profess that **“anyone” who just believes in Jesus **is saved and **is a christian? **Although many protestants and non catholics have different belief’s of who Jesus is, as do the Muslims.

So a simple “belief” in Jesus (as Muslims have of Jesus) can never label one a Christian? as protestants and non catholics profess to be christians although stemming from different belief’s about Jesus and interpreting Jesus teachings different from one protestant community to another, as do the Muslims.

So now that the world is getting smaller via internet, would non catholic evangelicals who profess only a belief in Jesus, have to make a (change) different profession of their faith? because having “only a belief in Jesus” does not neccessarily make one a Christian today.

I know Iam splitting hairs here, but I can see the Op’s direction having credence, if anyone profess’s “only” a belief in Jesus no matter how different, can be considered a christian, by those holding to a “belief in Jesus only” theology.

My question is what constitutes a christian?
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Mhm, I of course don’t know all orthodox and not-so-orthodox Protestants and what they excatley teach about Jesus, BUT
Don’t all of them believe that Jesus is the Son of God? And that he is God?
Muslims don’t, right?
But I would take the believe in the divinity of Jesus as a criteria to label one a Christian.

So, to answer the OP. No, Muslims are most definitely not a Christian denomination! ('Though they hold some beliefs that are similar to Christianity.)
 
i have a muslim friend…

they dont believe in the holy trinity,they believe in one god…allah ( meaning no holy spirit or jesus as god)

they dont believe god has a son…(there for they don recognise jesus as god the son)

they dont believe in jesus’s divinity and see him as a prophet and put more preference on the prophet mohammed…

its not christianity…theres no worship of jesus
 
I spent about 12-15 years calling myself a Muslim. Some things I read in my TRANSLATION of the Quran lead me back to Christianity

These are things I read in my translation of the Quran. There may be different translations which explain things differently and forgive me if I make any mistakes but:

In the translation I had, every time the name Jesus wa mentioned it was followed by (the Christ). It said Jesus was born of a virgin. He was the only man to live without ever commiting a sin. He didn’t die on the cross but God put a fake person there and carried his body straight to heaven like Moses and Elijah. It also says "God was not begotten nor has he begotten. Meaning God is no one’s child and he had no children. It talks about the creation of Jesus like that of Adam. He was placed in Mary’s womb. It basically says something like: Hey Jews, you had a savior and you didn’t want to hear what he had to say, in fact you killed him. It also talks about Jesus return on the day of judgement. But it says he’s coming to tell the people they misunderstood and were not supposed to worship him. They refer to themselves, Jews and Christians as “People of the Book” which has been said to mean that if you believe any one of the 3, you have something in common or you at least have enough in common to talk to each other.

I say all of this from memory. Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but if you do correct me, I’d like to know what exact Iyat you are looking at as I’m pretty sure of these things but like I said that doesn’t mean I can’t make a mistake. Like I also said, reading these thing made me want to read more about Jesus and brought me back to Christ so I have been an advocate of Christian Muslim relations for a long time. Major things are different in Theology but not much is different in practice of prayer and reverence

May the love of God and peace be upon you![BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]
 
Satan believes in Jesus and he is not a Christian. Those who say they believe in the existence of Jesus are not Christian. If there is no belief in the Trinity and that Jesus Christ is the 2nd person of the Trinity, and that the Holy Spirit if the 3rd person of the triune God, one is not a Christian.
 
Sherry_G said:
Satan believes in Jesus and he is not a Christian. Those who say they believe in the existence of Jesus are not Christian. If there is no belief in the Trinity and that Jesus Christ is the 2nd person of the Trinity, and that the Holy Spirit if the 3rd person of the triune God, one is not a Christian.
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Not to get off track but Satan knows all those things.

I do not think we can apply labels like Christian to angels and demons.
 
ByzCath said:
Do they believe that Jesus is the Messiah? I never ran into that in my investigation into Islam. They do believe that Jesus is a prophet.

But the answer to your question is No.

They do not believe that Christ is God and they do not believe in the Trinity, two very basic beliefs of Christianity.
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Ironically, many Restorationists do not even acknowledge Christ’s divinity. Yet they claim to be Christian and Bible-based. At least the Muslims were honest in not claiming to be followers of Christ.
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
According to the posts; It would not be reasonable to agree with protestants who profess that **“anyone” who just believes in Jesus **is saved and **is a christian? **Although many protestants and non catholics have different belief’s of who Jesus is, as do the Muslims.

So a simple “belief” in Jesus (as Muslims have of Jesus) can never label one a Christian? as protestants and non catholics profess to be christians although stemming from different belief’s about Jesus and interpreting Jesus teachings different from one protestant community to another, as do the Muslims.

So now that the world is getting smaller via internet, would non catholic evangelicals who profess only a belief in Jesus, have to make a (change) different profession of their faith? because having “only a belief in Jesus” does not neccessarily make one a Christian today.

I know Iam splitting hairs here, but I can see the Op’s direction having credence, if anyone profess’s “only” a belief in Jesus no matter how different, can be considered a christian, by those holding to a “belief in Jesus only” theology.

My question is what constitutes a christian?
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I don’t know of any Protestants that affirms that by simply “believing in Jesus” one is “saved”…

To “believe in Jesus” from the Protestants I know…and quite a few over the last 50 years…to “believe” means one has “repented” and asked forgiveness. That one believes what Jesus did on the cross makes it possible for reconcilliation with God…by believing in His work they become new creatures to walk in His ways and live in His teachings…to “believe” in Christ is much much more than simply claiming intellectual belief that Jesus existed…it is trusting and clinging to Him as our salvation.
 
Sherry_G said:
Satan believes in Jesus and he is not a Christian. Those who say they believe in the existence of Jesus are not Christian. If there is no belief in the Trinity and that Jesus Christ is the 2nd person of the Trinity, and that the Holy Spirit if the 3rd person of the triune God, one is not a Christian.
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He “believes” but he does not have faith and trust…nor has this “belief” engendered him to repentence…

I don’t know too many who come to faith in Christ with a fully formed theological understanding of the intricacies the doctrine of the Trinity…if we cannot call ourselves “Christians” until we understand the Holy Mystery of the Incarnation…we’ll be waiting a long time.
 
Certainly the focus of Islam is not on Jesus and it is therefore not a Christian denomination.

Jehovah’s Witnesses focus on Jehovah and deny Christ’s Divinity. Mormonism has its own take on Christ’s Divinity and the Trinity. Both are outside historic Christianity as a result.

Arians said that Christ was “less than God, more than man.” Jehovah’s Witnesses point to the Arians and say they are there “heirs” today. But, in fact, there were three Arian sects (including the “Semi-Arians”) and they all worshipped Christ and paid Him Divine honours nevertheless. There are today Saints in the calendar of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches who were Arian martyrs e.g. St Artemius the Dux Augustalis of Egypt. So the Arians were a Christian sect, deficient with respect to Christology and Triadology to be sure.

But what about those who are baptized, who formally accept the Athanasian and Nicene Creeds etc. but whose lives are not focused on Christ spiritually or morally?

What of them?

Alex
 
I believe the question becomes then what exactly makes you a Christian?

Believeing Jesus is the Christ (savior)

Believing in the Trinity

Believing in Jesus dual nature (God and Son of God)

Believing and living the golden rule?

Being baptized?

etc?

If the answer is you are a Christian if you believe Jesus is the Christ then it is possible for some Muslims to be called Christians as I said, the translation of the Qural I had said Jesus was the Christ.

The way I understood Islamic beliefs, you are a follower of whomever you believe the last prophet to be. Muslims say the creed (translated) There is no God but God and Muhamed was his messenger. They say that before Muhammed came, the same people said "there is no God but God and Jesus was his messinger, and Elijah, and Moses and so on.

That makes most of them NOT Christian in belief to me because even though the recognize Jesus as being the greatest prophet, they follow Muhammed. It says right in the creed which is the 1st pillar of Islam “Muhammed was his messinger.”

They don’t recognize that Muhammed gave a new revelation but he was the “Seal of the prophets.” They believe he came to correct all the mistakes people were making like the trinity and the divinity of Jesus etc.

Many things a similar, and I believe there is room for dialogue, but they are not followers of Christ, they are followers of Muhammed[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]
 
Sherry_G said:
Satan believes in Jesus and he is not a Christian. Those who say they believe in the existence of Jesus are not Christian. If there is no belief in the Trinity and that Jesus Christ is the 2nd person of the Trinity, and that the Holy Spirit if the 3rd person of the triune God, one is not a Christian.
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So, by your definition, JWs, LDS and Oneness Pentecostals (and other Uniterian Churches) (and, as I have recently read here in CAF, SDAs) are not Christians?
 
There is no “non-Trinitarian” Christianity. The Holy Trinity is central to the Christian faith, and rejection of it amounts to rejection of that faith.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Ironically, many Restorationists do not even acknowledge Christ’s divinity. Yet they claim to be Christian and Bible-based. At least the Muslims were honest in not claiming to be followers of Christ.
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I didn’t know that Restorationists deny Christ’s divinity? So, we are talking about the Campellites here, right? Meaning the Disciples of Christ and the Churches of Christ.

I mean I don’t know much about their theology, as I haven’t studied the Campellite-denominations really, but that does astonish me…

Aren’t they those calling themselves non-denominational Christians, or do I mix up something here?
 
Esdra,
Actually, for the Disciples of Christ denomination the essential doctrine is Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior with obediance to him in baptism. Trinitarian baptism is a key component of the faith.However, congregations are given a large amount of leeway in scriptural interpretation and belief. The downside is that even though they practice Trinitarian Baptism, they can choose how to believe so some don’t go further than obediance to Jesus Christ. Though not into creeds they do have a preamble that serves a similar purpose the difference being its not binding on the members. They actually are Christian and a denomination.
peace be with you
gmcbroom
 
rturner76 said:
I spent about 12-15 years calling myself a Muslim. Some things I read in my TRANSLATION of the Quran lead me back to Christianity

These are things I read in my translation of the Quran. There may be different translations which explain things differently and forgive me if I make any mistakes but:

In the translation I had, every time the name Jesus wa mentioned it was followed by (the Christ). It said Jesus was born of a virgin. He was the only man to live without ever commiting a sin. He didn’t die on the cross but God put a fake person there and carried his body straight to heaven like Moses and Elijah. It also says "God was not begotten nor has he begotten. Meaning God is no one’s child and he had no children. It talks about the creation of Jesus like that of Adam. He was placed in Mary’s womb. It basically says something like: Hey Jews, you had a savior and you didn’t want to hear what he had to say, in fact you killed him. It also talks about Jesus return on the day of judgement. But it says he’s coming to tell the people they misunderstood and were not supposed to worship him. They refer to themselves, Jews and Christians as “People of the Book” which has been said to mean that if you believe any one of the 3, you have something in common or you at least have enough in common to talk to each other.

I say all of this from memory. Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but if you do correct me, I’d like to know what exact Iyat you are looking at as I’m pretty sure of these things but like I said that doesn’t mean I can’t make a mistake. Like I also said, reading these thing made me want to read more about Jesus and brought me back to Christ so I have been an advocate of Christian Muslim relations for a long time. Major things are different in Theology but not much is different in practice of prayer and reverence

May the love of God and peace be upon you![BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]
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That is wonderful. I always hope and pray my cousin will see the light.

What did your family think when you became muslim?
 
SherryG, sure we could. The difference is the Angels rejoice at the message and Demons tremble.
Peace be with you
gmcbroom
 
schaick said:
What did your family think when you became muslim?
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Where I was at that point in my life, they were just happy I found something, anything other than the trouble I was getting in. I used to be a straight gang banger dope dealer when I found Islam. In Islam, I found a written program for how to live with the 5 pillars, 1 god, pray,give charity, fast for Rahmadan, and pilgrimage. In that order. It simplified my relationship with God and I was very satisfied with the simplicity (1 God no trinity, no mystery). Certain things in Islam ended up not sitting right with me (some things about it being ok to kill in certain situations, when thou shall not kill.) I got a girlfriend who was Christian as it was ok to marry a non-muslim if you are a man. I started reading in the Quran about Jesus and everywhere I read it was calling Jesus the Christ and I didn’t see any conflict with what the bible said about Jesus (miracles Virgin Mary etc). So I started reding the Bible.

At that time I had a miracle happen to me. I had been diagnosed with Khron’s disease
and I was in unbearable pain. I was in the corner on the floor begging Allah to give me relief and I thought I was being punished for studing Jesus so much. It just got worse until I called on the name of Jesus and he healed my disease. I have no trace of Khron’s disease ever since then. I came to be a Christian soon after and not I’m joining RCIA as the more I study, the more I trace things back to the beginning of all churches, the Catholic Church. I still have some dogma issues but I decided that’s what RCIA is for.

Sorry, didn’t mean to be so long winded but I wanted to witness as an ex Muslim who was given a miracle by Jesus when I literally called his name in one of the most painful times of my life. All I said was “Jesus, if you can hear me, please help me.” and he did

Robert
 
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