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dronald,Hey Islam_1995.
I just want to give a quick warning that many of the topics that are made to be between Christians and Muslims are often “hi-jacked” for lack of a better term by the Bahai. Because the questions in the title are not directed explicitly towards Muslims (which I think should be the future strategy) you’ll get opinions that contradict both the teachings of Islam and Christianity.
Secondly, I think you should back away from the “Christianity adopted pagan beliefs and didn’t believe Jesus is God until the fourth century.” I know this is a conspiracy that is prevalent among Muslims, but you’ll quickly come to accept historically the Trinity was always believed in both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. I’m just saving you the hassle of figuring this out over the next year or so you spend here.
Thirdly, as I pointed out earlier in this thread; the Trinity is never explicitly mentioned in the Qur’an but rather the number, “Three.” When the three is brought up, Mary is usually mentioned which is an error on the Qur’ans part as the three in one never consisted of Mary.
. If my (name removed by moderator)ut is welcome, sir, I did a bit of research into the matter of the inclusion of Mary as part of the Trinity and some may find it of interest as per the specific topic of the thread:
Commenting on verse 4:171, George Sale says:
Namely, God, Jesus and Mary. For the eastern writers mention a sect of Christians which held the Trinity to be composed of those three; but it is allowed that this heresy has been long since extinct. The passage, however, is equally levelled against the Holy Trinity, according to the doctrine of the orthodox Christians, who, as Al Beidawi acknowledges, believe the divine nature to consist of three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; by the Father, understanding God’s essence, by the Son, his knowledge, and by the Holy Ghost, his life.[4]
It is pretty clear that whether the ‘Holy’ Trinity composed of the Father, Jesus(P) and the Mary(P) or the Father, Jesus(P) and the Holy Spirit are equally condemned in the Qur’an. Any association of partners with the God is unacceptable.
Further Edward Gibbon in his book The History of The Decline & Fall Of The Roman Empire says:
The Christians of the seventh century had insensibly relapsed into a semblance of paganism: their public and private vows were addressed to the relics and images that disgraced the temples of the East: the throne of the Almighty was darkened by the clouds of martyrs, and saints, and angels, the objects of popular veneration; and the Collyridian heretics, who flourished in the fruitful soil of Arabia, invested the Virgin Mary with the name and honours of a goddess.[5]
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