Could Jack Chick be Right???

[greggy53]

Hey always remember not all prots are in the same bag…I believe in His presence in the communion, not everybody who does goes for the trans and con explanation…I accept it by faith…We have a spiritual walk in faith it doesn’t depend on what the eye sees or the taste buds taste …Guess you see I’m back…Our church has a food bank…Some of our church uses it along with people of the community…We have a Thanksgiving dinner for our church and those who come to the food bank… I sat in a nice padded chair in back of the gravy server and prayed for those in the line…Hey would you mind looking in your catahchism and see what they say about rewards and crowns…Thanks God Bless…Kim

No, I don’t think so. The catechism is on line and you can look for yourself. I do remember from school that our reward in Heaven will be that we will be eternally in the presence of God. That will be enough. The imagery of wearing fancy gowns and jewel encrusted crowns is just that- imagery. I was also taught by the good sisters of the IHM that Heaven will be so beautiful and blissful that the human mind cannot imagine it.
If you believe in the real presence of Jesus in communion then you really should take a closer look at the Catholic faith. That is where you will find Him. My wife and I are cradle Catholics, but we both strayed from the church we were young. We spent a few years in a Pentecostal Church but I was never comfortable with what they taught. I remember asking the preacher why he admonished the congregation not to take communion unless our hearts were right with God. I asked him why if the communion was symbolic in nature it made that much difference. He referred me to St Paul’s letter to the Corinthians where he admonishes them for partaking unworthily. That is where my journey back to the Catholic faith began. I read the pertinent chapter and was astonished at what I read.
" The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?"
He took it even further by proclaiming:
“ Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.”
I remember thinking no wonder the preacher seems worried about it. No wonder they only do it once a month. Something is not right about it for sure. I realized that the nuns and the priests were not lying to us, and if they were telling the truth about this then I’d better take another look at everything else they taught us. If the Holy Spirit is telling you the Eucharist is real then you should too.

 

[Hiskid1973]

No, I don’t think so. The catechism is on line and you can look for yourself. Do you have a link for a searchable catachism were I could put in a word or verse

He referred me to St Paul’s letter to the Corinthians where he admonishes them for partaking unworthily. .

Yes we are to search or heart and have a pure heart before the Lord before we partake…peace to you…Thanks

I try to do this nightly, to clean my slate before the Lord before I sleep…I do my best daily to have a pure heart as I deal with even anonymous brethren on the internet…Feel free to straighten me out if you ever see me acting out of order…

 

[Hiskid1973]

Man those Corinth boys really had an attitude when they would gather. Guess he figured the needed and attitude adjustment when they gathered to commune…Come there with a pure heart and attitude…Are we any different today ?

18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.( remember I’m of Peter-I’m of Apollos)
19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper.
21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me

Being disabled gives me plenty of time to commune with the Lord and maintain a pure heart…Feel free to straighten me out if you ever see me acting out of order…Peace to you, beloved of the Lord

 

[Bill_Pick]

They might offer left overs tomorrow, but your a little far

We do most of are cooking wed, and then Thankgiveng so we can have a lot of left overs to eat the rest on the week

 

[Caramel]

Man those Corinth boys really had an attitude when they would gather. Guess he figured the needed and attitude adjustment when they gathered to commune…Come there with a pure heart and attitude…Are we any different today ?

18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.( remember I’m of Peter-I’m of Apollos)
19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper.
21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me

Being disabled gives me plenty of time to commune with the Lord and maintain a pure heart…Feel free to straighten me out if you ever see me acting out of order…Peace to you, beloved of the Lord

I am also disabled and when I read the last part of your post all I could think about is that it is very difficult to “straighten me out!” The doctors and surgeons have tried for years but it just doesn’t work; I still stand and walk crooked!! lol, believe me I not making fun of your disability but I try to find humor in mine - it helps ease the pain.

 

[Caramel]

I don’t know who is Jack Chick, but I know that before you can call the person evil you need first to QUALIFY it. Specifically, what wrong has the person done (not according to what YOU think, but according to the standards & instructions laid down by God) ?

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I clicked on your link and it took me to a website which appears to be anti-muslim, but I don’t know what this has to do with Jack Chick, except that perhaps the information contained in the website and the information contained in Chick’s tracts both seem to be full of errors.

If you google “Jack Chick” you should be able to find some of his tracts, which you can read online. They are presented in “comic-book” form and many are full of lies about the Catholic Church and some other faiths, including I believe, the Muslim faith.

I personally don’t think that Jack Chick is “evil”, but if he has had his errors pointed out to him again and again, I don’t understand why he is not checking any sources to back up his claims. I’m sure someone in his organization knows how to use a computer as there is a “Jack Chick” website so he could easily google to find the truth about the religions he attacks.

Yet the attacks continue. So IMHO I am beginning to believe that either he is incredibly naive and ignorant, or is purposely belittling and mocking Catholics and members of other faiths for some agenda of his own. IMHO I believe that he thinks the end justifies the means - i.e. it’s OK to lie in order to save someone’s soul. I disagree with this and I do get angry when I find my Church and other churches being accused of things that are so far-reached and incredible that I wonder how any sane person could believe them.

But some people do believe them and if they don’t check scripture and/or official teachings and Doctrine, they are believing lies which are being provided by Jack Chick and his organization.

I find it especially difficult to believe that undercover agents were sent in to bookstores which sold Jack Chick tracts (or perhaps provided them for free) in a covert, well-organized plan to stop the bookstores from carrying his tracts and books. He consistently discusses how evil the Jesuits are and how evil the Catholic Church is. He also falsely claims that Peter was not the first Pope.

I will be happy to provide a list of some of the lies that are present in some (most) of Jack Chick’s tracts.

So, while I don’t believe that Jack Chick himself is evil, I am beginning to think that his actions are evil.

 

[KathleenGee]

Jack Chick uses a fake name with a fake bio, stating he is/was a former Jesuit but his thinking process totally denies any excellent education the Jesuits have.

Any bigot will buy his story. It also feeds on the old stories of sisters and priests getting it on in the underground tunnels…

He is highly imaginative, if I could say that, his most brilliant work coming out in comics.

He’s a joke.

 

[JaMc]

Jack Chick uses a fake name with a fake bio, stating he is/was a former Jesuit but his thinking process totally denies any excellent education the Jesuits have.

Any bigot will buy his story. It also feeds on the old stories of sisters and priests getting it on in the underground tunnels…

He is highly imaginative, if I could say that, his most brilliant work coming out in comics.

He’s a joke.

He very well might use a fake name and bio, but Jack Chick never claims to be a former Jesuit - I think you have him confused with Alberto Rivera (his “source”) on that regard. Here is the bio Chick has on his site: chick.com/information/authors/chick.asp

 

[Mosacked]

I clicked on your link and it took me to a website which appears to be anti-muslim, but I don’t know what this has to do with Jack Chick, except that perhaps the information contained in the website and the information contained in Chick’s tracts both seem to be full of errors.

If you google “Jack Chick” you should be able to find some of his tracts, which you can read online. They are presented in “comic-book” form and many are full of lies about the Catholic Church and some other faiths, including I believe, the Muslim faith.

I personally don’t think that Jack Chick is “evil”, but if he has had his errors pointed out to him again and again, I don’t understand why he is not checking any sources to back up his claims. I’m sure someone in his organization knows how to use a computer as there is a “Jack Chick” website so he could easily google to find the truth about the religions he attacks.

Yet the attacks continue. So IMHO I am beginning to believe that either he is incredibly naive and ignorant, or is purposely belittling and mocking Catholics and members of other faiths for some agenda of his own. IMHO I believe that he thinks the end justifies the means - i.e. it’s OK to lie in order to save someone’s soul. I disagree with this and I do get angry when I find my Church and other churches being accused of things that are so far-reached and incredible that I wonder how any sane person could believe them.

But some people do believe them and if they don’t check scripture and/or official teachings and Doctrine, they are believing lies which are being provided by Jack Chick and his organization.

I find it especially difficult to believe that undercover agents were sent in to bookstores which sold Jack Chick tracts (or perhaps provided them for free) in a covert, well-organized plan to stop the bookstores from carrying his tracts and books. He consistently discusses how evil the Jesuits are and how evil the Catholic Church is. He also falsely claims that Peter was not the first Pope.

I will be happy to provide a list of some of the lies that are present in some (most) of Jack Chick’s tracts.

So, while I don’t believe that Jack Chick himself is evil, I am beginning to think that his actions are evil.

Caramel,

may I also say that your post seems full of errors.

You might ask ‘where?’…and I keep silent.

That’s the way of the Unqualified Accuser. And that’s just what you did. You accuse these of errors but totally fail to prove yourself valid. Like I say, we must always QUALIFY our statements.

Anyone can shoot their mouths off, how many really knows what they’re saying?

 

[txrich1974]

Jack Chick’s tracts, or Chick Tracts as they are called, are mostly an overly cariacatured tracts that are full of shock value, and little Biblical truth, and no charity(love). I as a Baptist find his tracts apalling. He seems to make it an art to attack the Catholic Church to a point of demonizing her. Although there are many internal debateable issues I disagree with in the Catholic Church, I see no sense in acting as he, or they. Most people i know feel the same way about Jack Chick. As far as I know he was not even part of any organized protestant church. He has his issues with Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbetyrians, and so forth. Probably more of a “King James only” so called Bible believing church. Apparently his Bible left out the doctrine of charity. Do not take those tracts to heart. I know i don’t

 

[greggy53]

Caramel,

may I also say that your post seems full of errors.

You might ask ‘where?’…and I keep silent.

That’s the way of the Unqualified Accuser. And that’s just what you did. You accuse these of errors but totally fail to prove yourself valid. Like I say, we must always QUALIFY our statements.

Anyone can shoot their mouths off, how many really knows what they’re saying?

And how exactly do you qualify the above statements?..sounds to me like you are the one shooting his mouth off.

 

[Hiskid1973]

We’ll one thing for sure we’ll find out one day what was right and what was wrong…

 

[sambos671]

We’ll one thing for sure we’ll find out one day what was right and what was wrong…

Thats sounds like something a Jesuit spy would say.

 

[Soutane]

If you have a problem with this thread please report it to the moderator.

If it is such a waste of time why did you even bother to post your response?? The OP was written to be neutral and I am not, as you say “trying to provoke controversy, furor, and anger” although I can see that it certainly brought out some anger in you.

As I stated in the OP, I am not aware of what church Jack Chick belongs to, or if he is even alive. If he has passed on, it is my fervant hope that he is in the arms of God.

But it is a fact that his tracts are handed out regularly and many many people have seen them and have responded to them, both positively and negatively. It is important to discuss what effect his tracts have had on Christianity and other faiths.

I do hope that all posts are polite and follow forum rules.

I believe that I am allowed to start a thread as I am a member of this forum. If you do not want to participate that is your choice.

I stand by my comment.I can also assure you that I am not angry;however this question was posed (in MY opinion)to provoke an emotional response,and by the way it has been done to death.As a member of this forum I will comment without reservation as is my want.Please reread my comment as it is obvious that you have misunderstood it.I would also suggest that you develop a thicker skin,and do not mistake honest comment and criticism for personal attack.If you have a problem with my original and subsequent comments I invite you to explore the "ignore"button.

 

[KathleenGee]

Back to Jack,

I don’t have the link so will have to pass about this fellow also being a former Jesuit…It is interesting to learn that he also attacks other denominations…through comics…hyperbole, so the man perhaps is against organized Christianity.

So he is a provocateur?

 

[Caramel]

The question(in my opinion) is ludicrous in itself and I’m quite surprised that ANY Catholic who comprehends his/her faith would waste anyone’s time by posing it on a Catholic forum unless that person is trying to provoke controversy,furor,and anger.These fora are are for reasoned discussion from a Christian perspective and all too often devolve into an us against them mentality with accompanying uncharitable posts.This question as you well know(in my opinion)is a lightening rod for Catholics who are targeted for hate by this sick, bigoted old man who desperately needs our prayer.

Soutane, this is your original post. In this post you state that “…ANY Catholic who comprehends his/her faith would waste anyone’s time by posing it on a Catholic forum unless that person is trying to provoke controversy,furor,and anger [sic].”

As I am the person who posted the OP I take your comments to refer to me. You do not know me; you do not know what goes on inside my mind; you do not know my intentions in starting this thread.

I have never seen another thread on Jack Chick in my time on these forums. It could very well be possible that there have been numerous threads on Jack Chick, but I have not seen them. If I had I would have joined in.

I again am telling you that it is your option to participate. If you truly believe it is a waste of time I question why you would participate.

Your personal opinions about me have nothing to do with your personal opinions of Jack Chick. You don’t even know me!!

Please try to stay on topic. This thread is entitled “Could Jack Chick be Right???”, not “Let’s Presume why the OP Started this Thread.”

 

[Caramel]

I stand by my comment.I can also assure you that I am not angry;however this question was posed (in MY opinion)to provoke an emotional response,and by the way it has been done to death.As a member of this forum I will comment without reservation as is my want.Please reread my comment as it is obvious that you have misunderstood it.I would also suggest that you develop a thicker skin,and do not mistake honest comment and criticism for personal attack.If you have a problem with my original and subsequent comments I invite you to explore the "ignore"button.

As the OP I do not feel it would be appropriate for me to use the “Ingore” option. If you have problems with this thread, please report it to the moderator. I will not put you or anyone else on “Ignore” because this is my thread.

Now please try to keep on-topic. Thank you.

 

[Caramel]

Caramel,

may I also say that your post seems full of errors.

You might ask ‘where?’…and I keep silent.

That’s the way of the Unqualified Accuser. And that’s just what you did. You accuse these of errors but totally fail to prove yourself valid. Like I say, we must always QUALIFY our statements.

Anyone can shoot their mouths off, how many really knows what they’re saying?

You have me completely confused here. I stated my opinion of the website whose link you provided. It appears to be full of errors about the Muslim faith. It doesn’t appear to have anything to do with the tracts that are published by Jack Chick.

The site you posted appears to be full of errors.
Jack Chick tracts appear to be full of errors.

That is the only reason I can come up with as to why you would post your link in this thread.

Why would I ask you “where?” I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. Would you please restate your reply because I am confused about it.

 

[Caramel]

Thread Participants,

I’m sorry that I have been gone for a few days. On Thursday I received some horrible news and I have been mostly on the “Prayer Intentions” forum.

But I’m back now and reading what I missed and I do apologize for not being here. I know that as the OP I’m supposed to keep an eye on things. But sometimes bad things happen and they did and I had to leave.

 

[Hiskid1973]

But I’m back now and reading what I missed and I do apologize for not being here. I know that as the OP I’m supposed to keep an eye on things. But sometimes bad things happen and they did and I had to leave.

Be at peace dear sis…Ignore personal comments…Threads take courses of their own with/ without the Op…May our Lord minister to and care for those deep needs…