Could Jesus make a mistake? (A new thread)

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Neofight said:
Legalism can be dangerous…ask the Pharisees…In this thread the doubt discussed seemed to be more along the lines of the precise definition of involuntary doubt 2088 discusses. Granted, “If deliberately cultivated doubt can lead to spirtual blindness,” but in your haste to condemn the deacon and candidate, you seem to assume their doubt WILL BE (not IF) cultivate.

I prefer to give others the benefit of the doubt, and let God sort it out.
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The Deacon was neither mentioned nor condemned in any of my posts. :confused: You claimed that doubt is somehow good. Our Lord, as quoted in scripture, and the consistent teaching of the Church is that doubt is bad. Do you see the dichotomy here?
 
I know that humanity can make mistakes, and also that sometimes positive results come from the mistakes.

But this is Jesus, who is God. It is not as though He ‘needs’ to learn as a human. . .by making a mistake.

Let’s look at Adam and Eve. They made mistakes. . .not because they were human and hey, that’s how humans ‘learn’. They made mistakes because they chose to.

Even now, human beings do not HAVE to make mistakes as a condition of their true humanity.

So arguing that Jesus, as a human being, is somehow ‘bound’ to make mistakes is a backhanded kind of argument that ‘making mistakes’ is a condition of the human person. And really, . . it isn’t.

People don’t make mistakes because they’re human. They make mistakes because of a variety of circumstances that affect them AS humans.

The person who mistakenly eats a poisonous mushroom instead of a safe one is not ‘bound’ to make mistakes and in fact, most people who eat mushrooms manage to avoid the poison ones.

And what does one mean by ‘mistake’? Somebody walking into a dark room could trip over a chair, but that isn’t a ‘mistake’. . .it’s simply a consequence of not seeing the chair.

A 1 year old child doesn’t have (in most cases) the understanding of how to control the sphincter muscles and to use a toilet. . .but that doesn’t mean the child ‘mistakenly’ urinates outside the toilet. The child simply is not developmentally capable of using the ‘adult’ toilet in an adult manner; he isn’t ‘mistaken.’
 
even IF (big if) humanity was distinguished by the capacity (the ability to) make an error, that would NOT necessarily mean that the human would have to EXERCISE that ability.

If all human beings would be capable of making an error, that doesn’t mean that we HAVE to do so, OR that 'making a mistake’is a CONDITION of humanity. Only the CAPACITY to commit error, not committing an error itself, is a condition of humanity.

So if humanity has the CAPACITY to make an error, but an individual, fully human, never allowed himself to engage that capacity. . . IOW, never erred. . .I would say that THAT could describe Jesus and Mary.

Or, to play with semantics, they COULD have made a mistake, since as humans, they would possess the CAPACITY to make mistakes. . .but they never EXERCISED that capacity and never made mistakes. And I’ll repeat, the capacity to err, or sin, or whatever, by NO means mandates a person TO sin, or err.

And I think the teaching of Christianity over the last 2000 years (official and authentic teaching, not ‘lost gospels’ or ‘writings’) backs me up here.
 
Godmachine said:
To err is human. Was Jesus human or not?
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But, He possesses a perfect human nature. He knows all things. He said and did all, and only that the Father instructed Him to. Do you allege that He made mistakes? If so, who are you actually finding fault with?
 
po18guy said:
But, He possesses a perfect human nature. He knows all things. He said and did all, and only that the Father instructed Him to. Do you allege that He made mistakes? If so, who are you actually finding fault with?
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I am alleging that what people think they know about Jesus the man, they cannot possibly know. In my experience, people make mistakes. In my experience, nobody is perfect. To make a claim that there once lived a man who was literally perfect and never made mistakes, to me is just plain silliness. I am alleging that the Jesus people believe in today is a product of their own imaginations.
 
Godmachine said:
I am alleging that what people think they know about Jesus the man, they cannot possibly know. In my experience, people make mistakes. In my experience, nobody is perfect. To make a claim that there once lived a man who was literally perfect and never made mistakes, to me is just plain silliness. I am alleging that the Jesus people believe in today is a product of their own imaginations.
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Oh, OK. So you, as a nonChristian, are commenting from a nonChristian perspective on a Christian subject. 😃
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Oh, OK. So you, as a nonChristian, are commenting from a nonChristian perspective on a Christian subject. 😃
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History is not the domain of Christianity. If Christians are making the claim this “perfect” person who never made a mistake was an actual historical figure, I have every right to question that claim from a non-Christian perspective.
 
Godmachine said:
History is not the domain of Christianity. If Christians are making the claim this “perfect” person who never made a mistake was an actual historical figure, I have every right to question that claim from a non-Christian perspective.
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Go for it, then search for the truth.
 
po18guy said:
How can Jesus be our perfect example if He made simple, avoidable mistakes? How could He makes if Peter said to Him, “You know all things”? If He made simple mistakes, that allows that He could have made more complex ones as well. He who is faithful in small things will be faithful in large things. He came and did and taught only what the Father instructed Him to do. If Jesus made a mistake, this traces directly to God.

Nonsense, is what it is.
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PO:

Two important things:
  1. Jesus was truly God, and,
  2. Jesus was truly man.
Reconcile them.

God bless,
jd
 
shoe said:
But Jesus from eternity past always has been God the Son: He didn’t turn into God at a certain age. And we read in Luke 2:40 that as a child Jesus - God the Son “…grew, and waxed strong, full of wisdom; and the grace of God was in him.” To me, the temporarily killing of bullies does not indicate either God’s wisdom or His grace. We also know that during the Feast of the Passover when Mother Mary and Joseph finely found the 12-year old Jesus, they did not find Him playing with other 12-year-old children, or even like other 12-year-old children for that matter; rather, they found Jesus deeply engaged in deep spiritual discussions with the learned leaders of the Temple, actually astonishing them with His great wisdom and understanding. I personally believe that Jesus never made mistakes at any age, basically because I don’t see how any year in the life of Jesus could logically affect His perfect divinity and His perfect humanity in any way, shape, or form.
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Shoe:

What did He do at 3 or 4 or 5 or 6?

God bless,
jd
 
buffalo said:
Go for it, then search for the truth.
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I’ve been searching for the truth for a loooong time. I’ve met a lot of folks over the years who claim to know or possess the truth. I’ve never met anyone who actually does.
 
Godmachine said:
I am alleging that what people think they know about Jesus the man, they cannot possibly know. In my experience, people make mistakes. In my experience, nobody is perfect. To make a claim that there once lived a man who was literally perfect and never made mistakes, to me is just plain silliness. I am alleging that the Jesus people believe in today is a product of their own imaginations.
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Your god appears to be cynicism. “What is truth?”
 
It’s called The Infancy Gospel of Thomas. I’m sure there are other books as well. Books that were never made canon. I see nothing wrong with reading contrary texts; it’s what you do with them that matters.

Am I the only person who sees no problem with the story? I don’t take it to be factual, but if it was, it’s not an issue for me. God in the Old Testament was a wrathful God. Jesus as we know him is the Prince of Peace.

If a wrathful God can tear down cities from Heaven, then it’s not that hard for me to imagine him wanting to lay waste to bullies that are right there in his face.

Then again, I was bullied, so that might be why I empathize a bit in those regards.

ahem

But you know, Jesus could have come down to earth anyway he wanted to. He could have been formed as an adult human from the very beginning. He chose to go through his childhood, teenage years and adulthood. Maybe he wanted to experience those years, so he could have the best awareness of how to guide us. Be in our shoes.
 
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