Could Muhammad of been a prophet?

[Reuben_J]

Pope Urban III was not a follower of Jesus.

Wrong.

 

[dronald]

Perhaps this this another side of God from Islamic understanding, a characteristic that we thought clearly an antithesis of the true God. For God is not a liar nor He is a deciever.

Well, we know who is, though.

Yes, I thought maybe posting John 8:44 would have been too harsh, then I realized they were Jesus’s words and I shouldn’t be worried. Meh, anyways we certainly do know.

 

[Augustine3]

Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena

And they cheated/deceived and Allah cheated/deceived, and Allah (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers. Qur’an 3:54

The word Markr means deception/scheming.

So, actually in Islam it’s acceptable that Allah is the best deceiver, therefore acceptable that he would trick everyone into believing that Jesus really did get removed from that cross.

Hmmm I’m curious why would Muslims worship a deceptive god? How do they know they themselves have not been deceived just like the billions of Christians have been allegedly deceived?

 

[expounder]

Where are you getting your translations from? It is not ‘Allah is the best of deceivers’ it is Allah is the best of Planners.
corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=3&verse=54
But i guess if you type that into google you get answering-islam and Wikiislam; two notorious anti-islamic sites. Quel surprise.
Satan is the chief Deceiver not Allah

 

[jakasaki]

Copied from another thread, but I wanted to reply to it here.

Muslims are told to obey the laws of the lands they reside in;

Quote:
4:59 => O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, **and those charged with authority among you. **

Funny you posted this:

Too bad Mohammad didn’t follow his own rule while he was in Medina/Mecca.

 

[expounder]

Copied from another thread, but I wanted to reply to it here.

Muslims are told to obey the laws of the lands they reside in;

Funny you posted this:

Too bad Mohammad didn’t follow his own rule while he was in Medina/Mecca.

What laws would this be exactly?

 

[jakasaki]

What laws would this be exactly?

Whatever the laws of the land was at the time Mohammad lived there.

 

[expounder]

Whatever the laws of the land was at the time Mohammad lived there.

Well Arabia was broken down into many different tribes, so there was no central figure of authority.
If your then referring to the leader of his own tribe -the Banu Hashim of the Quraysh tribe - well that was his uncle Abu Talib who was his greatest supporter, so what law did he break?

 

[jakasaki]

Well Arabia was broken down into many different tribes, so there was no central figure of authority.
If your then referring to the leader of his own tribe -the Banu Hashim of the Quraysh tribe - well that was his uncle Abu Talib who was his greatest supporter, so what law did he break?

Didn’t the Meccan Quraysh people reject Mohammad from the beginning…??

 

[expounder]

Didn’t the Meccan Quraysh people reject Mohammad from the beginning…??

No other clan leaders who were part of the Quraysh rejected him, which led to the boycot of the Banu Hashim, his clan.

 

[jakasaki]

No other clan leaders who were part of the Quraysh rejected him, which led to the boycot of the Banu Hashim, his clan.

Makes no difference to me whether it’s “other” Quraysh clan leaders - it’s still Quraysh.

TGIF…!!!

 

[expounder]

No other clan leaders who were part of the Quraysh rejected him, which led to the boycott of the Banu Hashim, his clan.

 

[expounder]

Makes no difference to me whether it’s “other” Quraysh clan leaders - it’s still Quraysh.

TGIF…!!!

Ok, how did Muhammad break any of their laws if he wasn’t even part of the Quraysh anymore. More to the point you still haven’t told me which law he broke…

Friday is a special day for muslims too

 

[nmgauss]

Wrong.

Reuben J is correct. Urban II is responsible for the Crusades, not Urban III. You’ll see that he asserts, “Christ commands it.” according to Fulcher of Chartres.

“I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ’s heralds to publish this everywhere and to pers*e all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.[1]”

Robert the Monk quotes this from Urban II.
“Enter upon the road to the Holy Sepulchre; wrest that land from the wicked race, and subject it to yourselves … God has conferred upon you above all nations great glory in arms. Accordingly undertake this journey for the remission of your sins, with the assurance of the imperishable glory of the Kingdom of Heaven. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God!”[2]

 

[dronald]

Where are you getting your translations from? It is not ‘Allah is the best of deceivers’ it is Allah is the best of Planners.
corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=3&verse=54
But i guess if you type that into google you get answering-islam and Wikiislam; two notorious anti-islamic sites. Quel surprise.
Satan is the chief Deceiver not Allah

So you’re saying that Allah has never deceived anyone?

And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,” - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not

So basically, Allah made it look like Jesus was crucified only to correct the world 650 years later. Looks like deceit to me.

 

[Reuben_J]

Reuben J is correct. Urban II is responsible for the Crusades, not Urban III. You’ll see that he asserts, “Christ commands it.” according to Fulcher of Chartres.

“I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ’s heralds to publish this everywhere and to pers*e all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.[1]”

Robert the Monk quotes this from Urban II.
“Enter upon the road to the Holy Sepulchre; wrest that land from the wicked race, and subject it to yourselves … God has conferred upon you above all nations great glory in arms. Accordingly undertake this journey for the remission of your sins, with the assurance of the imperishable glory of the Kingdom of Heaven. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God!”[2]

You are wrong in that you are not in a position to make a pronouncement that Pope Urban III is not a follower of Jesus. Unless you are not a Christian and believe in judging others. I am not speaking of the crusades.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Is it possible that Muhammad was a prophet of God? Can the belief in Jesus as our savoir and Muhammad as a prophet coincide? I don’t know much about Islam, but I’m quite curious about it.

**Islam’s prophet Muhammad recieved a different Jesus and a different gospel from an angel named Gabriel, **700 years after the revelation of Jesus walked the earth, established His Church, suffered His passion, was crucified and buried, resurrected from the dead and ascended into heaven all of these historical recorded events was revealed before eye witness accounts, who handed down to us these revelations by both Oral Sacred Traditions, and Sacred Scripture.

Here is what these eyewitnesses have to say about another gospel and false teachers and false prophets.

2 John 7 Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh; such is the deceitful one and the antichrist. 5
9 Anyone who is so “progressive” 7 as not to remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God; whoever remains in the teaching has the Father and the Son.
10** If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him in your house or even greet him;
11 for whoever greets him shares in his evil works.
**

1 Timothy 6; 3 **Whoever teaches something different and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the religious teaching
4 is conceited, understanding nothing, and has a morbid disposition for arguments and verbal disputes. From these come envy, rivalry, insults, evil suspicions,
5 and mutual friction among people with corrupted minds, who are deprived of the truth, supposing religion to be a means of gain.
6 Indeed, religion with contentment is a great gain. **

Colosians 2; 16 Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or sabbath. 8
17 These are shadows of things to come; the reality belongs to Christ.
18 **Let no one disqualify you, delighting in self-abasement and worship of angels, taking his stand on visions, 9 inflated without reason by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding closely to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and bonds, achieves the growth that comes from God. **

2 Peter 2: 1 **There were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will introduce destructive heresies and even deny the Master who ransomed them, bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their licentious ways, and because of them the way of truth will be reviled.
3 In their greed they will exploit you with fabrications, but from of old their condemnation has not been idle and their destruction does not sleep. **

cont;

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

cont;

1John 2:9 Whoever says he is in the light, yet hates his brother, is still in the darkness. 10 Whoever loves his brother remains in the light, and there is nothing in him to cause the fall. 11 Whoever hates his brother is in darkness, he walks in darkness and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes 18 **Children, it is the last hour; 9 and just as you heard that the antichrist was coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. Thus we know this is the last hour. **
…22 **Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist.
23 No one who denies the Son has the Father, but whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.
24 Let what you heard from the beginning remain in you. If what you heard from the beginning remains in you, then you will remain in the Son and in the Father. 13
25 And this is the promise that he made us: eternal life.
26 I write you these things about those who would deceive you. **
27 As for you, the anointing that you received from him remains in you, so that you do not need anyone to teach you. But his anointing teaches you about everything and is true and not false; just as it taught you, remain in him.

1 John 4: 1** Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 This is how you can know the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ come in the flesh be longs to God,
3 and every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus 2 does not belong to God. This is the spirit of the antichrist that, as you heard, is to come, but in fact is already in the world. **
4 You belong to God, children, and you have conquered them, for the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
5 They belong to the world; accordingly, their teaching belongs to the world, and the world listens to them.
6We belong to God, and anyone who knows God listens to us, while anyone who does not belong to God refuses to hear us. This is how we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit.

Galatians 1: 6 I am amazed that you are so quickly forsaking the one who called you by (the) grace (of Christ) for a different gospel
7 (not that there is another). But there are some who are disturbing you and wish to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 ****But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed! **
9 As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that one be accursed! /B]
11 Now I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel preached by me is not of human origin.
12 For I did not receive it from a human being, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

These scriptures also teach against some new gospels from Christians faiths, such as the Jehovah witnesses reveal a different Jesus, and Mormons introduce their own “another gospel of Jesus Christ” and new heavenly revelations from their founder Joseph Smith etc…

Peace be with you**

 

[Mount_Carmel]

If you study the New Testament and also study the Sira and Hadith you can’t help but conclude that comparing Jesus to Muhammad is like comparing ‘chalk’ with ‘cheese’, only moreso.

ps. If Muhammad was the number one ‘prophet’ of God, then why was he not shielded from Satan’s ‘Satanic Verses’? When Jesus was confronted by demons and even Satan himself, He saw through them and sent them packing.

Originally Posted by dronald:
Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena

And they cheated/deceived and Allah cheated/deceived, and Allah (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers. Qur’an 3:54

So since God is TRUTH [and truths cannot contradict eachother], and Satan is about DECEIT and DECEPTION, we may well ponder upon the real nature of this ‘Allah’ and the bona fide of Muhammad in his words and life:

Douay-Rheims Bible
‘And many false prophets shall rise, and shall seduce many.’ Matthew 24:11

 

[Moro_Rock]

It’s called the Shahada:

There is no god worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is His messenger.

The original shahada does not have “allah who had no children” in it.

Ok thank you I think the statement about Allah having no
son or children may be on the Dome on the Temple Mount !