Could Muhammad of been a prophet?

[jakasaki]

Ok thank you I think the statement about Allah having no
son or children may be on the Dome on the Temple Mount !

You can read the inscriptions here:

islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/DoTR.html

 

[daler]

, “We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,” - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not

I have read several translations of this verse into English, and am convinced that the translators themselves did not understand it. Literal bound thinking does not take into account the root of the verse which is misunderstood.
Although the physical body, or person of Jesus, was crucified, His Eternal Reality is not that physical or biological creation. In this sense, consider the body as clothing. If you snatch my clothing and nail it to the cross, “I” have not been crucified, though it appears to you that I have.
This is central to understanding this verse. Also found in the Quran is a reference to those martyred in the Cause of God:

"“Do not think that those who are killed in the cause of God are dead; they are alive at their Lord, being provided for” 3:169

“Do NOT say about those who are killed in the cause of God, “They are dead.” For they are alive, but you do not perceive” 2:154

When we inherently tie the Eternal Reality of Christ to His physical identity, we say that “He died” when He was crucified. But if we realize that “He” was before Abraham was, then how can “He” ever be crucified?
This requires understanding of the Word of God as above a mortal and temporary physical identification.
Thus, the issue is resolved in understanding the verse of the Quran in such a light of understanding and there is no conflict.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Islam doesn’t believe in Original Sin, so there is no need for a Messiah. Islam claims that God is not a Trinity so Jesus is not God in Islam. It is true that Jesus is the greatest of prophets in Islam, but according to Christianity, there are no more prophets after Jesus, so Muhammad being a prophet is a real deal breaker.

Some things Christianity and Islam CAN agree on, but there are certain vital points in which the two religions totally differ on.

 

[josie_L]

No, Muhammad was not a prophet of God but he did borrow much from Judaism and Christianity.

I never understood how millions of people could come to believe someone who claimed he was a prophet, when there was no way of authenticating that he was truly visited by an angel, i.e., there were no such witnesses to such an event (conveniently so). And then compare this to Jesus, who came at a time when Jews were awaiting the messiah, fulfilled all the prophecies indicated in Holy Scripture, and had the witnesses to prove it.

 

[Critical_Mass]

Muhammad was no prophet of God. He was deceived by demons.

 

[nmgauss]

I never understood how millions of people could come to believe someone who claimed he was a prophet, when there was no way of authenticating that he was truly visited by an angel, i.e., there were no such witnesses to such an event (conveniently so). And then compare this to Jesus, who came at a time when Jews were awaiting the messiah, fulfilled all the prophecies indicated in Holy Scripture, and had the witnesses to prove it.

Actually Aisha, Muhammad’s beloved wife, witnessed her husband being influenced by the divine. These revelations occurred repeatedly over a 23 year period.

 

[Mount_Carmel]

Actually Aisha, Muhammad’s beloved wife, witnessed her husband being influenced by the divine. These revelations occurred repeatedly over a 23 year period.

I think Aisha had the measure of Muhammad’s so-called revelations, and used to comment on them from time-to-time in a ‘critical’ way.

For instance Muhammad’s "announcement of a revelation permitting him to enter into marriages disallowed to other men drew from her [Aisha] the retort, ‘It seems to me your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire!’

Muhammad once left Aisha in bed and went to the graveyard to make supplications for the dead. Aisha followed Mohammad and having realized she had been spotted retreated at haste back to the house. Mohammad discovered Aisha lying in bed in a state of breathlessness. He was displeased with Aisha and after a brief conversation some physical chastisement occurred. Sahih Muslim records, “He (Muhammad) said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I (Aisha) said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?”

{Not really the sort of treatment any loving God would approve his numero uno prophet to dish out to [one of] his wives, surely?]

 

[nmgauss]

Sahih Muslim records, “He (Muhammad) said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I (Aisha) said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?”

{Not really the sort of treatment any loving God would approve his numero uno prophet to dish out to [one of] his wives, surely?]

This just illustrates that Muhammad was not Allah. Also, Muhammad was an ordinary human who occasionally had fits of anger. Muhammad lived in a culture of violence. It was normal for husbands to strike their wives if they misbehaved.

 

[josie_L]

This just illustrates that Muhammad was not Allah. Also, Muhammad was an ordinary human who occasionally had fits of anger. Muhammad lived in a culture of violence. It was normal for husbands to strike their wives if they misbehaved.

If I’m not mistaken Muslim husbands may be allowed (according to their religion) to “softly” beat their wives.

Does Islam permit a man to hit his wife?

Summary Answer:

Yes, but only if she doesn’t do as he asks. The beating must cease if the woman complies with her husband’s demands. Beating is also intended to be the last resort of coercing submission, behind verbal abuse and abandonment.

According her testimony in the Hadith, Muhammad, physically struck his favorite wife for leaving the house without his permission. It is not known how he treated his less-favored wives.

The Qur’an:

Qur’an (4:34) - “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”

Qur’an (38:44) - “And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath…” Allah telling Job to beat his wife.

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being “greener” than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

Bukhari (72:715) - “Aisha said, ‘I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women’” This is Muhammad’s own wife complaining of the abuse that the women of her religions suffer relative to other women.

Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, “He struck me on the chest which caused me pain.”

Muslim (9:3506) - Muhammad’s father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Umar) amused him by slapping his wives (Aisha and Hafsa) for annoying him. According to the Hadith, the prophet of Islam laughed upon hearing this.

Abu Dawud (2141) - “Iyas bin ‘Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when ‘Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them.” At first, Muhammad forbade men from beating their wives, but he rescinded this once it was reported that women were becoming emboldened toward their husbands. Beatings are sometimes necessary to keep women in their place.

Abu Dawud (2142) - “The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.”

thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/003-wife-beating.htm

 

[nmgauss]

Why are people exhorted to love God? Does God need to be loved, or do people need to love? What does it do for people to love God?

 

[nmgauss]

Was it better for Muhammad to beat a wife that misbehaved, or was it better for the wife to receive a beating for perceived misbehavior?

 

[wwolverine]

The following is taken from the Wikipedia article on Muhammad:

“He is believed by Muslims and Bahá’ís to be a messenger and prophet of God. Muhammad is almost universally considered by Muslims as the last prophet sent by God for mankind”

Who is correct?

Bible is quite clear that Jesus was the son of God. Mohammadd says NO, so who do you want to believe?

Either the Bible is wrong or Mohammad is wrong.

For me Bible is cent percent the Word of God.

 

[TheSufi]

Bible is quite clear that Jesus was the son of God. Mohammadd says NO, so who do you want to believe?

Either the Bible is wrong or Mohammad is wrong.

For me Bible is cent percent the Word of God.

I personally don’t have a problem with calling Jesus the son of God in the content of Judaism, but I do have a problem with calling him the son of God in the context of Christianity.

 

[TheSufi]

Was it better for Muhammad to beat a wife that misbehaved, or was it better for the wife to receive a beating for perceived misbehavior?

Prophet Muhammad never beat his wives. So it is a stupid question.

 

[nmgauss]

Prophet Muhammad never beat his wives. So it is a stupid question.

thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/003-wife-beating.htm

According her testimony in the Hadith, Muhammad, physically struck his favorite wife for leaving the house without his permission. It is not known how he treated his less-favored wives.

 

[nmgauss]

Bible is quite clear that Jesus was the son of God. Mohammadd says NO, so who do you want to believe?

Either the Bible is wrong or Mohammad is wrong.

For me Bible is cent percent the Word of God.

Several characters in the Old Testament were said to be sons:
newadvent.org/cathen/14142b.htm

The title “son of God” is frequent in the Old Testament. The word “son” was employed among the Semites to signify not only filiation, but other close connexion or intimate relationship. Thus, “a son of strength” was a hero, a warrior, “son of wickedness” a wicked man, “sons of pride” wild beasts, “son of possession” a possessor, “son of pledging” a hostage, “son of lightning” a swift bird, “son of death” one doomed to death, “son of a bow” an arrow, “son of Belial” a wicked man, “sons of prophets” disciples of prophets etc. The title “son of God” was applied in the Old Testament to persons having any special relationship with God. Angels, just and pious men, the descendants of Seth, were called “sons of God” (Job 1:6; 2:1; Psalm 88:7; Wisdom 2:13; etc.). In a similar manner it was given to Israelites (Deuteronomy 14:50); and of Israel, as a nation, we read: “And thou shalt say to him: Thus saith the Lord: Israel is my son, my firstborn. I have said to thee: Let my son go, that he may serve me” (Exodus 4:22 sq.).
The leaders of the people, kings, princes, judges, as holding authority from God, were called sons of God. The theocratic king as lieutenant of God, and especially when he was providentially selected to be a type of the Messias, was honoured with the title “Son of God”.

 

[josie_L]

Several characters in the Old Testament were said to be sons:
newadvent.org/cathen/14142b.htm

The title “son of God” is frequent in the Old Testament. The word “son” was employed among the Semites to signify not only filiation, but other close connexion or intimate relationship. Thus, “a son of strength” was a hero, a warrior, “son of wickedness” a wicked man, “sons of pride” wild beasts, “son of possession” a possessor, “son of pledging” a hostage, “son of lightning” a swift bird, “son of death” one doomed to death, “son of a bow” an arrow, “son of Belial” a wicked man, “sons of prophets” disciples of prophets etc. The title “son of God” was applied in the Old Testament to persons having any special relationship with God. Angels, just and pious men, the descendants of Seth, were called “sons of God” (Job 1:6; 2:1; Psalm 88:7; Wisdom 2:13; etc.). In a similar manner it was given to Israelites (Deuteronomy 14:50); and of Israel, as a nation, we read: “And thou shalt say to him: Thus saith the Lord: Israel is my son, my firstborn. I have said to thee: Let my son go, that he may serve me” (Exodus 4:22 sq.).
The leaders of the people, kings, princes, judges, as holding authority from God, were called sons of God. The theocratic king as lieutenant of God, and especially when he was providentially selected to be a type of the Messias, was honoured with the title “Son of God”.

I know you have non-denominational written as your religion but you don’t sound like you’re Christian any longer, so forgive me for asking, what is your faith, if you have any?

 

[TheSufi]

thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/003-wife-beating.htm

According her testimony in the Hadith, Muhammad, physically struck his favorite wife for leaving the house without his permission. It is not known how he treated his less-favored wives.

Those are idioms, which should not be taken literally. If it was the way of Prophet Muhammad, how come none of the scholars of Islam teach to beat their wives literally??? i have kept the company of many Islamic scholars and not one of them taught me to beating women wife or not is permissible. and they have taught that the Prophet never beat his wives. so what you understand from those hadiths ans what Islamic scholars understans from the hadiths are two different things. There is a difference between what is spoken and what is understood.

The quotes you use are what wife beaters like to use, but it has nothing to do with Islam. Using quotes from any scripture to justify the evils of men doesn’t mean they are interpreting it correctly.

In America, Some southern Christians use to use the bible
To justify slavery, after Ham looked upon Noah’s nakedness, upon waking from sleep, Noah said, cursed be Canaan a servant of servant shall he be.

They saw the black skin of Africans as a curse and this verse proved it, and also justifed slavery because it says a servant of servants.

Militant Christians use verses like, think not that I come to send peace but a sword, from Jesus.

It doesn’t make these Christians right.

And using those quotes don’t make it right for wife beating Muslims to beat their wives.** It is unislamic to beat your wife. Period.**

You can continue to misquote and misuse these quotes if you like, but you would be spreading lies about Prophet Muhammad.** And I would have a right to call you a spreader of lies and deceit.**

If it right for you use those quotes with your twisted understanding of them, then I have the right to call all Christians Devil Lovers. Because Jesus said you should love thy enemy, and devil is one of your enemies.

**Can I call you a devil lover? **Can I say Christians love the devil? Should I write a complete articles and make websites about how Christians love the devil?

 

[Mount_Carmel]

TheSufi - You say we should not take much or any note of Muhammad’s treatment of his wives, nor presumeably Aisha’s ironic jibe at Mohammad’s appetite for bints - well just what do YOU want us to regard and why?

Presumeably you also wish us to disregard Allah as being the ‘God of Truth’, or ‘The Best/Greatest of Decievers/Planners’ - WHICH? Or is it yet another case of playing about with two ‘contradictory truths’? {Something which runs counter to my sense of rationality and logic, but which appears a common ‘dualistic’ tactic in Islam.]

ps. Jesus says we should love our neighbours and demonstrates that our ‘neighbours’ are in effect all of mankind. He through His life and teachings points to wishing us to love the sinner, but to hate the sin. Satan would wish it more the other way around.

 

[joe371]

Is it possible that Muhammad was a prophet of God? Can the belief in Jesus as our savoir and Muhammad as a prophet coincide? I don’t know much about Islam, but I’m quite curious about it.

As a Christian there is no way one could concede that Muhammad was a prophet of God (the holy Trinity) for obvious reasons. From the Islamic perspective, Jesus is not God, but rather just a prophet who did not die on the cross. They deny the one thing that defines Christianity.